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supportanswer about entropiapartners, its not endorsed

i remember when it was zehx that did this and not entropia partners....
 
Mindark says it is 'not endorsed' but at the same time, I haven't heard anything bad about Entropia Partners, like they don't pay the participating players or something. I can't say the same for Scam-metrics. It also seems pretty clean, my soc friends said Scam-metrics loaded their computers with spyware so I didn't touch it.
 
Wistrel said:
Remind me not to trade with anyone.... ever again... Seriously this is a daft point. Anyone can fraudulently deposit into the game with a stolen credit card or a credit card that they then cancel the deposit with. Same situation with any other business. Although its never been confirmed, the general feeling is that avoiding credit card issues is the main reason why withdrawals take so long.

Just my thoughts
Wistrel
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If you think there is no difference in trading and receiving peds for empty trade window... Then i would love to "trade" with you.
There is no possible way to prove that the peds you received was for service out of the game, while if you trade peds for items it is clearly seen that you pay for something. yeah withdrawal take long because of this reason. Normal players are not locked if they pay for items with peds (even when the goods come from avatar using hacks) (take Czarne Smoki case for example - hundreds of players traded with those guys and paid for items(i am sure i bought atleast 50 different items from them), and did not get locked, but i am sure if those guys gave free peds to someone then Mindark locked the ped receiving accounts also).
Mindark can tell a difference between a trade and receiving free peds(this is technically what this service is all about)

But anyways sorry that i have so "daft points"
 
I just think the name is purposefully deceptive, implying a relationship with MA that doesn't exist. So I would steer players away from it for that reason.
 
KijkkiJikki said:
I just think the name is purposefully deceptive, implying a relationship with MA that doesn't exist. So I would steer players away from it for that reason.
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While you are at it there are a lot of other web sites with Entropia in the name that are entirely independent run operations and nothing to do with Mindark. Certainly keep them away from entropiawiki.com entropiabay entropiaforum com and pl as well as entropiaplanets. These are all run by deceptive people who shouldn't be trusted. Some even ask for subscription money to help keep the sites operational!

whiteknut said:
If you think there is no difference in trading and receiving peds for empty trade window... Then i would love to "trade" with you.
There is no possible way to prove that the peds you received was for service out of the game, while if you trade peds for items it is clearly seen that you pay for something. yeah withdrawal take long because of this reason. Normal players are not locked if they pay for items with peds (even when the goods come from avatar using hacks) (take Czarne Smoki case for example - hundreds of players traded with those guys and paid for items(i am sure i bought atleast 50 different items from them), and did not get locked, but i am sure if those guys gave free peds to someone then Mindark locked the ped receiving accounts also).
Mindark can tell a difference between a trade and receiving free peds(this is technically what this service is all about)
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I'll happilly trade with anyone offering me free peds in exchange for nothing ;) But really it sounds like we are talking at cross purposes or something. For starters I don't know about the "Czarne Smoki case". Can you explain what that was?

I can't see what is wrong with receiving items or ped in exchange for nothing else in the trade window. Happens all the time. Even last week my friend gave me a sword for my birthday and wouldn't accept payment. Does this make me or him dodgy? Somehow I think not. Honestly thinking like this you have to ask where do you stop? Should I suspect someone who gives me a good price on something of money laundering? And worry my account will be locked?

I just don't think this is a practical line of thinking.

Wistrel
 
Cail said:
Wistrel, i'm not sure what your negrep about https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...not-endorsed&p=3096845&viewfull=1#post3096845 that was, kinda doesn't make any sense.
Aaaanyways, i never said, that MA has said anything about any of this, as you can see on that post, that i didn't say, that they said anything, yet you negrep me for saying that they said something, or... what? Yea, i'm a bit clueless.

Or is this just a random negrep party going on?
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I can't actually remember what I wrote but I think your post definitely implys MA don't like Entropia Partners and states a reason why this might be true. For this reason I found it misleading to the casual reader therefore checked the "I disaprove of this post" option. I don't "negrep" anyone ever, but if I see a post I disaprove of I will say so.

I might point out that disaprove is not the same as disagree. I often don't agree with people here but I wouldn't disaprove of their posts because of it. This is after all a forum and a place for aposing opinions to meet and have children :)

Wistrel
 
Wistrel said:
I can't actually remember what I wrote but I think your post definitely implys MA don't like Entropia Partners and states a reason why this might be true.
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First of all, the whole post started with a word "maybe", implying that i'm speculating, at best, not stating anything.
Also it ended with a "silly"-smiley, indicating that it's maybe not to be taken seriously.

Anyways, i don't have anything else to say about the matter, and not to steer this off-topic, i'll just leave it here.
 
Wistrel said:
"Czarne Smoki case". Can you explain what that was?


Wistrel
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Have you been away from this game? Most of player should remember Andrzej RADDIM Banaczek and Pavilon White Black who used high level mining amps over and over by bug(so one L amp lasted for ever) and made nice profits thanks to it and were able to sell their stuff way under auction prices etc.

And i still think if you receive peds for nothing ingame, then mindark should look into it.
 
I actually see nothing wrong with entropiapartners myself, other then having entropia in the name which may be miss leading as being part of MA itself.

When ZEHX was running this same service years ago I took part in it and at that time if it was not for stuff like this I would have never stayed and eventually started to deposit to experience more of the game. It was his easy to obtain PED that kept me going, because lets face it I could make 20 ped in 8 hours sweating or make hundreds of ped doing these types of services in 8 hours. Which would you rather have 20 ped or hundreds of ped?

If people want to use this service and make them money and they then shares some of that money with you so you can play the game I see nothing horrible about that. It is actually the same as MA's sometrics stuff just a different person doing it. I am tired of seeing that space wasted on the client loader can that be removed lol... Same argument.

It is up to you after all to participate you can refuse. As far as spamming, if it is in trade chat, well that's what that chat is used for services and trades. You can always shut trade chat off if you want.
 
Wistrel said:
While you are at it there are a lot of other web sites with Entropia in the name that are entirely independent run operations and nothing to do with Mindark. Certainly keep them away from entropiawiki.com entropiabay entropiaforum com and pl as well as entropiaplanets. These are all run by deceptive people who shouldn't be trusted. Some even ask for subscription money to help keep the sites operational!l
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Entropia Partners. Can you see the difference?
 
KijkkiJikki said:
Entropia Partners. Can you see the difference?
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I dont. One of the social programs I supervise calls its clients "Partners" instead of clients, or even more appropriate, dependents/junkies/welfare recipients.

Various definitions:

1
archaic : one that shares : partaker

2

a : one associated with another especially in an action :associate, colleague
b : either of two persons who dance together
c : one of two or more persons who play together in a game against an opposing side
d : a person with whom one shares an intimate relationship :one member of a couple

3

: a member of a partnership especially in a business; also :such membership

4

: one of the heavy timbers that strengthen a ship's deck to support a mast —usually used in plural


I dont think Entropia Partners is a heavy timber of a ships deck, so we can rule out 4. Number 3 seems to be what people fixate on, however in their disclaimer it clearly says that a business relationship between MindArk and Entropia Partners does not exist. You can find the disclaimer here:

http://www.entropiapartners.com/#disclaimer

I found it pretty easily, in less than 15 seconds browsing their front page. So I think its safe to say they are not hiding it anywhere.

We're left with either definition 1 or 2, both of which seem completely appropriate, and validate the use of the word partner. Entropia Partners is associated with MA, in that they are users of the EU platform as a business. Entropia Partners is associated with other players against MA, in that they aid other players financially, helping those players perhaps avoid a deposit for the moment. Entropia Partners shares a relationship with its user base within EU, in that they pay their users to utilize their service. Maintaining the relationships between MA, the players, and themselves may be metaphorically described as a dance. And yes, they share with us within EU, should we choose to use their service.

All criteria of 1 and 2 satisfied.

Like it or not, they're not doing anything wrong at least through the name of the service.
 
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Thanks for your feedback. I think the intent is deceptive. I have no problems with people disagreeing with my view on the matter.

Regards,
KikkiJikki
 
KijkkiJikki said:
Thanks for your feedback. I think the intent is deceptive. I have no problems with people disagreeing with my view on the matter.

Regards,
KikkiJikki
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It absolutely is a marketing ploy. In that I will agree with you. Most successful brands use tactics just like this every day to increase the appeal of their product and grow their customer base.

Is it deceptive? From a certain viewpoint, yes. The word Partner is used in order to make customers feel validated. Is it promising something it does not deliver? Not in the least.

Your openness to discussion is commendable. Some are far less receptive to feedback that does not reinforce their own opinion.
 
Magyar_Republic said:
Is it deceptive? From a certain viewpoint, yes. The word Partner is used in order to make customers feel validated.
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Beside that, there is this thing: From where does the money come that are being paid out?

The conclusion I got (without having to register), was that you get paid by viewing sponsored films. That is, films that the a company, for instance, pays to get the video shown - and the company who's "sponsoring" the clips does so because they want products sold or something like that, that is, they want real people to look at the clips. Also, (the way I think google advertisement looks), they want to aim the clips to people who are interested in the same topic.

If it's that way it works, it's a kind of fraud: Someone has found out a way that if they host videos on a webpage (similar to adwords/sponsored links), they get paid by the advertisement company. The person who is hosting the clips (using frame or similar) probably have signed an agreement that they won't try to cheat on the system by "autoclicking" on the ads (clips) themselves. Now to get around that, they pay real life users to view the movies. So, it's a fraud because the hoster get paid by the advertisement company for clicks that should be generated by real users while the clicks are generated by paid persons who just clicks and doesn't look on the content.

Another example could be an artist that gets paid by youtube a certain amount/view, and this is a way to boost the number of views and that the artist gets more money paid out than they "deserve".

if the money that is paid out is generated some other way (preferably more ethical), then (for the sake of the service itself to show it legitimacy) should explain in depth how it works.

Another part is the distribution of PEDs. An end user have no way of knowing how these PEDs came ingame. A rouge company could be paying out with PEDs from stolen CCs - and as in MAs eyes it's a one-way transaction (gift) it would look like whoever accept the PEDs is a part of the scamming scheme and if a withdrawal comes maybe even like a "gateway" to get stolen PEDs out of game into IRL cash.

One thing that makes this look fishy is that it doesn't seem there is any official main address anywhere. There is a contact page but it doesn't mention any business address. And the domain is registered in India, and the website is hoted in Florida (prejudice I have about Florida web hosting: Spammer haven).

You are performing a job (really out-of-game), and depending on where you live, you would have a hard time to explain for your local tax authority from where (which company) those money came (if you want to be honest).

There is a minor detail on the website that makes it break the EULA: Eula prohibits any form of gambling, but this web site has a raffle part. If web site with raffle is mentioned ingame, and the winnings from the raffle is paid out in PEDs, it's likely to break that no-gambling rule.
 
aia said:
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There is a minor detail on the website that makes it break the EULA: Eula prohibits any form of gambling, but this web site has a raffle part. If web site with raffle is mentioned ingame, and the winnings from the raffle is paid out in PEDs, it's likely to break that no-gambling rule.
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Not sure if a raffle is considered gambling. you aren't paying for raffle tickets. Thats a fine-line in my eyes
 
aia said:
Beside that, there is this thing: From where does the money come that are being paid out?

The conclusion I got (without having to register), was that you get paid by viewing sponsored films. That is, films that the a company, for instance, pays to get the video shown - and the company who's "sponsoring" the clips does so because they want products sold or something like that, that is, they want real people to look at the clips. Also, (the way I think google advertisement looks), they want to aim the clips to people who are interested in the same topic.

If it's that way it works, it's a kind of fraud: Someone has found out a way that if they host videos on a webpage (similar to adwords/sponsored links), they get paid by the advertisement company. The person who is hosting the clips (using frame or similar) probably have signed an agreement that they won't try to cheat on the system by "autoclicking" on the ads (clips) themselves. Now to get around that, they pay real life users to view the movies. So, it's a fraud because the hoster get paid by the advertisement company for clicks that should be generated by real users while the clicks are generated by paid persons who just clicks and doesn't look on the content.

Another example could be an artist that gets paid by youtube a certain amount/view, and this is a way to boost the number of views and that the artist gets more money paid out than they "deserve".

if the money that is paid out is generated some other way (preferably more ethical), then (for the sake of the service itself to show it legitimacy) should explain in depth how it works.

Another part is the distribution of PEDs. An end user have no way of knowing how these PEDs came ingame. A rouge company could be paying out with PEDs from stolen CCs - and as in MAs eyes it's a one-way transaction (gift) it would look like whoever accept the PEDs is a part of the scamming scheme and if a withdrawal comes maybe even like a "gateway" to get stolen PEDs out of game into IRL cash.

One thing that makes this look fishy is that it doesn't seem there is any official main address anywhere. There is a contact page but it doesn't mention any business address. And the domain is registered in India, and the website is hoted in Florida (prejudice I have about Florida web hosting: Spammer haven).

You are performing a job (really out-of-game), and depending on where you live, you would have a hard time to explain for your local tax authority from where (which company) those money came (if you want to be honest).

There is a minor detail on the website that makes it break the EULA: Eula prohibits any form of gambling, but this web site has a raffle part. If web site with raffle is mentioned ingame, and the winnings from the raffle is paid out in PEDs, it's likely to break that no-gambling rule.
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Wow!! You tried but did a very poor job. Let me put the facts in few lines:

1. Users are paid to watch videos from Virool, that is a self-service video promotion platform.
2. Tasks come from CrowdFlower, a leading crowd-sourcing platform.
3. Surveys come from Toluna Network (aslo known as ThinkAction). This part will go soon.
4. The stupid digging game is a game-of-chance. A game-of-chance is not gambling if it is free.

We get our money from 1. 2 . 3. and pay in-game. We deposit the money in-game through direct bank transfers because we get more PEDs. Now don't say we hack into someone's bank account.

I and husband are playing for 4-5 years and we use our bank cards (not a credit card) to deposit.

This service is run by individuals, and not a company. I do not see any reason to put my address there.

The domain is booked in India, and is hosted in Florida. Great job here. Now tell them who are the hosts in Florida. You wont, because you did a pathetic job overall.

We have a dedicated server with ServerPronto which is a great hosting platform if your primary requirement is bandwidth. We are doing business with them for more than 8 years are happy to continue.

People who are really interested can google/wikipedia the company names in bold.
 
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