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RJ-Rob said:
Can I just give a comparison to what will happen and is happening in EU and what it will be like when and if this bad Genesis Probe feature gets implemented?


I mean this is basically what every single new and existing planet will be like apart from Calypso. But even caly is pretty dead in most areas as well.

I mean 2K players could not even fill up caly. Stretch that very low playerbase into space and into other planets and then the new terraformed planets?
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we have no idea what the end product will be.

chill, take a breath. you'll be OK.

last few updates have been pretty cool IMO, let them cook...
 
T16-5 MADMAwith nastya said:
we have no idea what the end product will be.

chill, take a breath. you'll be OK.

last few updates have been pretty cool IMO, let them cook...
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They keep adding new planets/moons and ignore the playerbase about the glaring engine upgrade that should potentially bring in an even bigger amount of players. They also keep adding new content for the existing playerbase. Without advertising the game to bring in new players.

They can not keep this up without new players the planets will be DEAD!

UE5 seems like a dream now because MA refuse to give a update about it.

How many more times will posts get deleted or ignored before MA actually respond and do a new blog post or thread with an update?

I honestly do not know why I keep sticking with this game and keep investing more of my own money into it when MA keep refusing to COMMUNICATE with the playerbase about such a huge upgrade to the game!
 
RJ-Rob said:
They keep adding new planets/moons and ignore the playerbase about the glaring engine upgrade that should potentially bring in an even bigger amount of players. They also keep adding new content for the existing playerbase. Without advertising the game to bring in new players.

They can not keep this up without new players the planets will be DEAD!

UE5 seems like a dream now because MA refuse to give a update about it.

How many more times will posts get deleted or ignored before MA actually respond and do a new blog post or thread with an update?

I honestly do not know why I keep sticking with this game and keep investing more of my own money into it when MA keep refusing to COMMUNICATE with the playerbase about such a huge upgrade to the game!
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I stopped giving my money to Mindark a while ago, now they just give it to me (after 60 to 70 days of course 💰🤣)
 
Bones said:
Planet Bones will be using all those buildings to house the homeless sweaters.
Sweaters are people too , or at least we have made that argument.
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Will there be any boning on planet bone?

Because I could start sweating
 
I think what has happened is MA has changed direction.

Instead of them working on UE5 full time they moved to a iterative process instead where they will be progressing the development at a much slower pace than they was. Hence why they decided to change Satesh into the new newbie moon instead of it being the UE5 beta moon with the UE5 client (side by side).

I do not think they have stopped developing it or scrapped it altogether. But it really would not hurt MA to just give a simple post to say we have not stopped UE5 development. If they could just do that it would be better than the continued radio silence.

MA just love to not communicate and even if Socrates says "we can not discuss UE5" it just frustrates the playerbase even more.

Can I be vocal here now with my response.

Players who are saying "it is not happening or they do not want it" are mostly the richer and ubers who no longer deposit into the game and they know that it might impact them if it does go ahead and it broke things etc.

I think it is no secret that most of the rich players and ubers in this game are no longer depositors because they do not need to. They have enough items and ped flow to be able to maintain and even gain profit via trades etc to maintain their play.

So let's touch on this further. How would one of these low to medium players ever get to that level and join that group of players who play daily/hunt 24/7 and can maintain that level all these years and then low to mid players can not even get close to doing that because their returns are so poor? So we have to keep depositing and depositing? Who then benefits from the deposits? you guessed it the richer and ubers who are not depositing.

Loot is not personal - so all that peds the low to medium players are pumping into the game and economy is getting eaten up by the ubers.

Why do X number of depositors never even get close to break even and always never get any decent luck or hofs? Well because other players take it and then you rage quit for days/weeks/months and then you are just further at a loss because all that ped you just lost hunting or crafting or even mining is already gone and taken by other players.

Ok now let me get onto MA themselves.

They have an outdated support ticket system that has not changed in all these years and the same standard messages that they said in responses to tickets are still used to this day. They have a proven track record of not responding to tickets in a timely manner or ignoring them and just closing them without even a response at all. This tells us all that MA do not care about us and never have.

Then comes the withdraws. Why do you think they delay withdraws? I think that is pretty obvious, they want the money to be kept into the game so they use the excuse of fraud and security checks as a smoke screen to fob us off and put us all of from withdrawing if you know it will take months to get your money then why bother even withdrawing. Couple that with the support ticket system and you see a pattern.

The stigma about MA has not changed and never will change - even all that stigma that called EU a casino and the stigma of the "pyramid scheme"

I mean if you read what I wrote above about how the rich and ubers are profiting from the low to medium players then that "pyramid scheme" does come into play because that is exactly how those work. The lower end pay for the medium and the medium pay for the upper and highest ubers.

I have made so many mistakes. I made stupid decisions. I too probably if I made correct decisions could have also been an uber today and never needed to deposit. But that was because of my own choice and play style and mostly stupid decisions over all these years.

I am not calling out ubers or rich players - They got rich in game because they played smart and played the game properly. (Well done to you all)

I am also not saying they all never deposited early on either but most of them have actually never deposited from my understanding and speaking to some over the years etc. It might be a misconception on my part as well so I apologise.

I do not want to offend anyone I am just speaking out because I am very very frustrated with MA and the way they just do not care about the playerbase and continue to ignore our concerns and address and or fix bugs that have been in this game for many years.

Then comes this new direction towards AI and this new Genesis probe system - In some of our eyes we see it as a cash grab by MA again. But in others they see it as a good thing, but I do not think it is a good thing it will just mean loads of dead planets with lack of players to inhabit them.

If MA sold the company which is pretty impossible because of the RCE - No big game company would even dare want to buy MA or this game because of that very reason alone. It has to much financial problems that could arise.

So that is probably not even an option unless there was some rich players who decided to take over MA themselves?

This whole "move to AI" just means also why UE5 is on a back burner and probably only 1 or 2 devs is actively working on it currently is my guess because they are all working on AI systems.

That is probably also why they refuse to answer or respond to questions regarding UE5 the last year or so.

Sorry for my long rant post.

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Im curious what do you expect from mayhem and what would be the purpose ?
They made it clear no more UL items - so the purpose of mayhem is kinda lost !
 
DRAGUNOV44 said:
Im curious what do you expect from mayhem and what would be the purpose ?
They made it clear no more UL items - so the purpose of mayhem is kinda lost !
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To get L items now I suppose

They are moving away from UL and back to L to try and fix the broken economy.
 
DRAGUNOV44 said:
Im curious what do you expect from mayhem and what would be the purpose ?
They made it clear no more UL items - so the purpose of mayhem is kinda lost !
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That would depend, wouldn't it?

Exceptional limited weapons is enough purpose for me personally and shared loot with a chance to discover something new sounds fun.
 
Well they talking of dragging the two decade old vote terminal code/booth from the source archive now and using AI instead of a switch statement to add vote weightings based on player inventory and playtime stats, not to mention using voicerec/and LLM to drive the base model for the avatar creation system...

I'm sure it will be done in the next 5 years just have some patience.
 
I did not comment on this before but its a stupid idea on so many levels. (I'm saying that it will be a failure just like I said about Planet Partners).
Only thing PPs did was heal MAs finances for a while, but they did not invest them well. This is how MA fix their issues for many years now:

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Thats why players are leaving.
 
True Juan said:
Thats why players are leaving.
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That's unfortunate, I did notice some heavily invested players exit game recently.

Quote from another heavily invested player:
"Game has been very boring and not so fun lately"
 
Bertha Bot said:
In 2010, ROCKtropia was introduced as the second planet in the Entropia Universe, followed by four additional planets and two moons. In the coming weeks, the sixth planet will be unveiled, marking the dawn of a new era of planetary exploration and user-generated content.

Behind the scenes, MindArk developers have been working on a top-secret initiative known as The Genesis Probe. Looking ahead, Genesis Probes will become available to all participants within the Entropia Universe, granting the opportunity to create fully functional planets of their own. This expansive vision for user-generated content aims to support sustained population growth—mirroring the increasing global interest in virtual worlds and metaverses.

Upon the official release, players will be able to manufacture and launch Genesis Probes to discover and customize and terraform new planets. A dedicated interface will facilitate the design process, from initial prompt-based creation to ongoing updates and refinements. Newly formed planets will be automatically deeded to their creators, who may opt to add these deeds to the Entropia Exchange if they wish.

MindArk has extended an invitation to existing Planet Partners to incorporate these new tools when they become available and remain part of Entropia Universe’s core architecture. The majority deed holder of each planet will control the interface and oversee the planet’s evolution.

Planet Calypso, ROCKtropia, Next Island, ARIS, Monria, Howling Mine and Secret Island will all adopt the Genesis Project technology. However, any existing planet that elects not to transition to the new development tools will face a cataclysmic extinction event within four years ( Hold Over Period). Players holding deeds or items from planets choosing not to transition will be offered compensation options via other participating planets.

This groundbreaking direction is intended to elevate creativity, fuel community engagement, and usher in a future of boundless expansion within the Entropia Universe. Stay tuned for further updates as we embark on this exciting new chapter together.

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Genesis probes when ?
 
RJ-Rob said:
I think what has happened is MA has changed direction.

Instead of them working on UE5 full time they moved to a iterative process instead where they will be progressing the development at a much slower pace than they was. Hence why they decided to change Satesh into the new newbie moon instead of it being the UE5 beta moon with the UE5 client (side by side).

I do not think they have stopped developing it or scrapped it altogether. But it really would not hurt MA to just give a simple post to say we have not stopped UE5 development. If they could just do that it would be better than the continued radio silence.

MA just love to not communicate and even if Socrates says "we can not discuss UE5" it just frustrates the playerbase even more.

Can I be vocal here now with my response.

Players who are saying "it is not happening or they do not want it" are mostly the richer and ubers who no longer deposit into the game and they know that it might impact them if it does go ahead and it broke things etc.

I think it is no secret that most of the rich players and ubers in this game are no longer depositors because they do not need to. They have enough items and ped flow to be able to maintain and even gain profit via trades etc to maintain their play.

So let's touch on this further. How would one of these low to medium players ever get to that level and join that group of players who play daily/hunt 24/7 and can maintain that level all these years and then low to mid players can not even get close to doing that because their returns are so poor? So we have to keep depositing and depositing? Who then benefits from the deposits? you guessed it the richer and ubers who are not depositing.

Loot is not personal - so all that peds the low to medium players are pumping into the game and economy is getting eaten up by the ubers.

Why do X number of depositors never even get close to break even and always never get any decent luck or hofs? Well because other players take it and then you rage quit for days/weeks/months and then you are just further at a loss because all that ped you just lost hunting or crafting or even mining is already gone and taken by other players.

Ok now let me get onto MA themselves.

They have an outdated support ticket system that has not changed in all these years and the same standard messages that they said in responses to tickets are still used to this day. They have a proven track record of not responding to tickets in a timely manner or ignoring them and just closing them without even a response at all. This tells us all that MA do not care about us and never have.

Then comes the withdraws. Why do you think they delay withdraws? I think that is pretty obvious, they want the money to be kept into the game so they use the excuse of fraud and security checks as a smoke screen to fob us off and put us all of from withdrawing if you know it will take months to get your money then why bother even withdrawing. Couple that with the support ticket system and you see a pattern.

The stigma about MA has not changed and never will change - even all that stigma that called EU a casino and the stigma of the "pyramid scheme"

I mean if you read what I wrote above about how the rich and ubers are profiting from the low to medium players then that "pyramid scheme" does come into play because that is exactly how those work. The lower end pay for the medium and the medium pay for the upper and highest ubers.

I have made so many mistakes. I made stupid decisions. I too probably if I made correct decisions could have also been an uber today and never needed to deposit. But that was because of my own choice and play style and mostly stupid decisions over all these years.

I am not calling out ubers or rich players - They got rich in game because they played smart and played the game properly. (Well done to you all)

I am also not saying they all never deposited early on either but most of them have actually never deposited from my understanding and speaking to some over the years etc. It might be a misconception on my part as well so I apologise.

I do not want to offend anyone I am just speaking out because I am very very frustrated with MA and the way they just do not care about the playerbase and continue to ignore our concerns and address and or fix bugs that have been in this game for many years.

Then comes this new direction towards AI and this new Genesis probe system - In some of our eyes we see it as a cash grab by MA again. But in others they see it as a good thing, but I do not think it is a good thing it will just mean loads of dead planets with lack of players to inhabit them.

If MA sold the company which is pretty impossible because of the RCE - No big game company would even dare want to buy MA or this game because of that very reason alone. It has to much financial problems that could arise.

So that is probably not even an option unless there was some rich players who decided to take over MA themselves?

This whole "move to AI" just means also why UE5 is on a back burner and probably only 1 or 2 devs is actively working on it currently is my guess because they are all working on AI systems.

That is probably also why they refuse to answer or respond to questions regarding UE5 the last year or so.

Sorry for my long rant post.

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That is a whole lot of writing to read. Too bad im not gonna.
 
Bertha Bot said:
Behind the scenes, MindArk developers have been working on a top-secret initiative known as The Genesis Probe. Looking ahead, Genesis Probes will become available to all participants within the Entropia Universe
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So, any further word on the timing, scale etc. of this?
We currently have Cry development still going on, as Aris and the new player areas show. We also have a plan to redo bps announced, which is a major task, especially if player content is going to be allowed in the soon* future. And we have UE5 ofc, and whatever transition...

Genesis tools are to be made available to existing pps and owners of the new planets. Even basic info on the flexibility of development would be nice, given the complexity we now have of pps being able to design and turn on/off their own npcs and events now, for example.
I admit I've been looking a bit further afield recently. Does the further development of EU stand any chance of captivating me? Big dunno on that!
 
WantosWallow said:
@Ludvig|MindArk @Socrates|Mindark
In case of planet ceases to exist, is there possibility of removal of unlimited items grinded through missions from players inventory, naturally implying those items originate from said planet and are not planet bound?
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One of the main reasons I haven't pursued the cyrene epics since this update was mentioned. Along with ya know, skills and bankroll... but would still like this answered. Too much uncertainty about the below
Bertha Bot said:
Players holding deeds or items from planets choosing not to transition will be offered compensation options via other participating planets.
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Bertha Bot said:
Planet Calypso, ROCKtropia, Next Island, ARIS, Monria, Howling Mine and Secret Island will all adopt the Genesis Project technology. However, any existing planet that elects not to transition to the new development tools will face a cataclysmic extinction event within four years
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So by 2029 we might have it (unreal engine). Stand strong! :money::tapfinger:broke:
 
Fanan said:
So by 2029 we might have it (unreal engine). Stand strong! :money::tapfinger:broke:
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Works for me... I might have had time to try to figure out how to keep CryTropia running on win7 by then even! XD ;)
 
nvm....deleted.... lets see how long it takes and we get other components like auc?,chat? transitioned like craft interface
 
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Edward-James said:
nvm....deleted.... lets see how long it takes and we get other components like auc?,chat? transitioned like craft interface
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TBH... I feel like AI should potentially be quite good at this... i.e. translating from one code to another... but maybe I'm wrong. OK to be specific I think both CE2 and Unreal are C++ based so it's more about use of different libraries in essence to do the same thing. That said, I've been getting the impression MA have been using chromium/electron like stuff of late for UI... maybe there's a reason for this.

Wistrel
 
Wistrel said:
TBH... I feel like AI should potentially be quite good at this... i.e. translating from one code to another... but maybe I'm wrong. OK to be specific I think both CE2 and Unreal are C++ based so it's more about use of different libraries in essence to do the same thing. That said, I've been getting the impression MA have been using chromium/electron like stuff of late for UI... maybe there's a reason for this.

Wistrel
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the "reason for this" is that commercially-available AI is not trained on all tech domains or programming languages equally. it has a lot of training on frontend web and more popular languages with semantic conventions like python, java, etc

yes you can use it with nearly any language but it's just going to be better at others. consider that most of the LLMs are going to have been largely trained on open source software, so what's most popular is what it knows most. newer or emerging frameworks or updated libraries it's often going to struggle with
 
jwestonmoss said:
the "reason for this" is that commercially-available AI is not trained on all tech domains or programming languages equally. it has a lot of training on frontend web and more popular languages with semantic conventions like python, java, etc

yes you can use it with nearly any language but it's just going to be better at others. consider that most of the LLMs are going to have been largely trained on open source software, so what's most popular is what it knows most. newer or emerging frameworks or updated libraries it's often going to struggle with
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Yeh I saw someone else talk online about the issue with AI for coding these days. In the short term it is cutting out junior devs from the job pool but in the long run, that will see an void of senior devs as no one will get that work experience.

This doesn't just impact the job market though but also the pool of training data available online going forward. This is because as more people in the short term get help from AI when programming, instead of from online communities/experienced devs, there will be less content posted online with problems and solutions.

This said, documentation will still be available for everything new going forward so in theory the AI could attempt to train on that... but whether or not that works (or works as well) I am unsure. It might be it has already learned enough that it can cope with only absorbing new documentation now, in order to be able to help with new things.

Certainly though as you say I agree there is probably fewer examples of how to code with cryengine2 online than say unreal, and of course the heavier weight the coding platform, the less people will use it or content will exist about it, certainly compared to say more popular/common web programming examples or problem/solution pairs. That said, there is a developers forum for CryEngine IIRC and there should be open documentation. I seem to remember that while the engine isn't free to use, I think any Joe could get hold of it and start playing. Certainly Sandbox2 editor was available with Crysis.

Wistrel
 
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