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the new deer Mall

I had a feeling this was gonna happen.

So now the rent has gone up for no reason what so ever....

I'm offered zero for my 20-30K shop (180 points - 20- ped a month)
or I'm offered a small shop to replace my large shop with 180 item points (not a large shop).
Now I see the rent has gone sky high- from 20 -50/100 - my rent was 20ped a month - thats the shop I had.

Or am I being offered a small shop to replace my large shop with 180 item points at 50ped a month - where other large shops are offered 150 points at 100 ped a month.:scratch2:

This is becoming funny - almost text book - Now, how do we get the maximum from these players while appearing to be doing them a good thing. Free rent for a year - but doubleing/Quadripling the rent.

What a mess - what a waist of time - what frustration has been caused all for the sake of what - I have no idea - the problem is not that difficult to work out.

Will post later I'm too astonished to write anymore just now.:mad::mad::mad:
 
Blake Seven said:
This whole thread makes me embarrassed to have an account in EU.

Are MA/FPC truely that incompetant that they can't get this right after so many attempts?

I could go on but I am genuinely lost for words with this whole fiasco.
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***incompetant*** This is the right word! I never saw a Company, doing things like this!
The CUSTOMERS are KINGS !!! ...they pay the company! But this words are not in the stock of this company!

How can this Game survive on this wrong way? Neg Rep. is also some kind of promotion, but maybe this is not the crowing way.:rolleyes:

Ok, i have take enough pain now... MA/FPC do what you want do, but without me!... i have now one year tax free for selling all my skills, tools and items in my shop.. Trance Make UP will be death. :mad:
sorry to all my nice and awesome customers, but i hope you understand me.
 
This is still not fixed???

How is this possible?

What a bad image this would give the company to possible future investors, if this story would be more known :eek:

Step up your game MA/FPC!!

Really!
 
Einstein said:
This is still not fixed???

How is this possible?

What a bad image this would give the company to possible future investors, if this story would be more known :eek:

Step up your game MA/FPC!!

Really!
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nop, now the tax rise up over 600% - from 15 to 100 ped in my case
 
Unbelievable :(

How is anyone supposed to run a business in this RCE game, if they cant have faith that what they invest in will retain the same functionality for the duration of their ownership :scratch2:

How is anyone supposed to be happy investing in this?
 
trance said:
About Maintenance fees, the large shops with 100 item points in the main area, will get a maintenance fee of 100 PED. The small shops with 50 item points, will get a maintenance fee of 50 PED.
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50-100 ped fee? Yikes! Ok, I can imagine that peopel who really are businessminded easily can recover this, but I guess this sort of takes away the fun; shops with too low turnaround will simply close is my guess which means fewer open shops, and after that people will find even less useful shops in the mall which means fewer people will bother visiting the malls.

When I saw the shops in the mall at CND, I thought that 30 ped/months was alot. Shops in condo buildings has 20 ped/fee month, and booths doesn't have a monthly fee, as far as I can remember.

As I said before; I would have liked a shop in the bottom of Thorkils Cave. A cheap shop with just a few items points in a cool environment, just to try it out. During the auction of these shops the price for them went way above my budget so I didn't bother getting one though. And now the cheap shops has suddenently changed from low-budget shops to premium shops (high tech mall); I can imagine that if someone who thought like me but actually bought a shop there now feels a bit lost.

As for purchasing back, for the people who bought a shop there to use it (rather than an investment as a deed in a shopkeeper) and is dissatisfied with the new rent pricing or number of item points there isn't any good option as there probably isn't any shops on the market that are simular to the old ones.

Before MA turned the deer shops into a mall did they look into the cave and looked around how it looked? What kind of items the shops had? Did the people who decided to "rebalance" go into the cave and have a look on the shacks?
 
Einstein said:
What a bad image this would give the company to possible future investors, if this story would be more known :eek:
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anyone who "invests" in EU is a mug. where ever we look, MA has taken or degraded value. LAs have been turned from flat hunting/mining fields into alpine vistas; shops relocated from opposite TP to the other side of town; armours and weapons are undermined by cheap L versions that drop so much they are tt food or skew the ecoonomy away from unL. you spend money in EU, you do not invest.
 
trance said:
2010-01-12 18:15 Entropia Universe Support:

Thank you for your report. We will look into this issue on our side. Just in case this might prevent you from entering the shop, please make sure that the date and time in your computer is correct.

Kind regards,
Entropia Universe Support
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Some possibilities:
A) Support has no clue about the subject - very bad.
B) They check the maintenance expiration date against the local time on the client - even worse.

:scratch2:

After a moment of thinking i came to the conclusion that both ways proof braindead behaviour, Option B has the benefit of being an even greater fuckup than the other one (since anyone dealing in MMO trusting anything coming from the client - time+date in this example - is a waste of resources).

:computer:

But hey, given this and other stuff which happenes here constantly:
at least MA fits the diagnosis perfectly.

:yay:

Tussi
 
This your Video Tussi !!!!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y[/YOUTUBE]​

Tussi said:
Some possibilities:
A) Support has no clue about the subject - very bad.
B) They check the maintenance expiration date against the local time on the client - even worse.

:scratch2:

After a moment of thinking i came to the conclusion that both ways proof braindead behaviour, Option B has the benefit of being an even greater fuckup than the other one (since anyone dealing in MMO trusting anything coming from the client - time+date in this example - is a waste of resources).

:computer:

But hey, given this and other stuff which happenes here constantly:
at least MA fits the diagnosis perfectly.

:yay:

Tussi
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Well, it's a playlist with the 'shareware' version of the video.
In case you watch a bit more of it you'll get my point (see part 6 for a quick summary, but it is a recommended watch in it's completeness)

Tussi
 
...the large shops with 100 item points in the main area, will get a maintenance fee of 100 PED. The small shops with 50 item points, will get a maintenance fee of 50 PED...
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I'm not relaxed anymore :(
 
If you sell one of these shops in the swedish sphinx (deer) mall, does the remainder of the 1 year free rent transfer to the new owner? These people are unreal!
 
trance said:
About Maintenance fees, the large shops with 100 item points in the main area, will get a maintenance fee of 100 PED. The small shops with 50 item points, will get a maintenance fee of 50 PED. But you will of course still get the first year for free.
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are they serious? what happened to the original fees that the shops had in the previous VU and what happened to Marcos statement that they don't change players investments.

Marco you need to go and have some serious words with the people doing this as they're not doing you any favours at all.

The one thing that should happen is that shop fees are reduced to encourage the shop owners to use them and not just hold them as an investment to try and sell later. Or better to eliminate the maintenance fee entirely if enough tax revenue is gathered.
 
Another problem, is if that a shop is sold *now*, on the deed it says to check maintenance fee on the estate terminal, on estate terminal the fee is 0 ped; it will be a nasty surprise for the new owner when the free period is over since MA has not announced the maintenance fee publicly. *This* have to be changed asap.

As for Balancing:
I checked a random shop in a apartment building.
The shop, being 40m away from the teleporter has 50 item+10 item points in display area, and a rent of 12 ped/month. So, again, 1 ped/item point really sounds alot.
 
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Why didn't they just have Marcus the estate broker pay the rent for 12 months? Why change it to 0? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
 
aia said:
Another problem, is if that a shop is sold *now*, on the deed it says to check maintenance fee on the estate terminal, on estate terminal the fee is 0 ped; it will be a nasty surprise for the new owner when the free period is over since MA has not announced the maintenance fee publicly. *This* have to be changed asap.

As for Balancing:
I checked a random shop in a apartment building.
The shop, being 40m away from the teleporter has 50 item+10 item points in display area, and a rent of 12 ped/month. So, again, 1 ped/item point really sounds alot.
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I think you will find the "free period" only applies to the orginal owners ! as compensation for the trouble they had incured ! should they sell then I would not expect the "free period" to go to any new owners .

as for any tax/rent increases those was always open to being changed after the "free period"
 
Bobbins said:
I think you will find the "free period" only applies to the orginal owners ! as compensation for the trouble they had incured ! should they sell then I would not expect the "free period" to go to any new owners .

as for any tax/rent increases those was always open to being changed after the "free period"
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I'll point you to this quote from Marco in this thread

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/property/174550-new-deer-mall-15.html#post2244155

If the changes to the maintenance fees are true then the shops have not been returned to their pre-vu10 state.
 
SpikeBlack said:
I'll point you to this quote from Marco in this thread

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/property/174550-new-deer-mall-15.html#post2244155

If the changes to the maintenance fees are true then the shops have not been returned to their pre-vu10 state.
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I really hope they do not try to go ahead with this increased maintenance fee. The shop I have been waiting 3 years for had a maintenance fee of 10 ped/month.

An increase to 100 ped/month is not acceptable.
 
I AM SO HAPPY!!!!!!

Reply from support

Hi,
Thank you for your reply. The new shops have different item points and fees based om what kind of shop the owner had before. For shops that were functional right before 10.0, the statistics will be restored. In your case, after the new release from FPC, the stats of the Deer Mall Floor 2, Shop 4 will be as follow:

Max guests: 30
Item points: 150
Fee: 15

Kind regards,

Entropia Universe Support
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I can confirm this, rents for extisting shops will remain as they were pre VU10 after the 12 month free. I have added the information just sent by Entropia Support to my previous post to show the conclusion. +Rep to 'em.
 
Its not over yet.

Not sure why were getting mixed messages all the time - I don't think its all sorted out yet at all - its a bit of a rolla coaster of mess up too now - So I'm not sure where the +rep comes into it at the moment.

I'm still waiting for a reply from support.... I find all of this an unnecessary way to up set players/investors & the general feel of the game.

Its caused -rep / frustration along with a bad taste in our mouths - not forgetting a loss of business for the estate owners.

I & I'm sure everyone is looking forward to it being put to right.

Mf.

Gos said:
I can confirm this, rents for extisting shops will remain as they were pre VU10 after the 12 month free. I have added the information just sent by Entropia Support to my previous post to show the conclusion. +Rep to 'em.
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Hummmmm

I'm still waiting for a reply...

They said last week, they will have the info beginning of this week, this week they say they will have the info at end of this week....:rolleyes:

Mf
 
Hope it gets resolved. Some facets of MA are performing better recently and then others let it down :(
 
My reply from support today:

Hi,

No, there was not a typo in the information given above. The new shops have different item points and fees based on what kind of shop you have had before. Your shops will keep the maintenance fees and item points that they currently have.

This means, when the first year has passed, the maintenance fee will be 50 PED for your shop number 10 and and 100 PED for your shop number 9.

If you would change your mind about your shops when having the fees confirmed, please let us know as soon as possible.

We wish you a nice weekend.

Kind regards,
Entropia Universe Support
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Needless to say I'm asking for my ped back and they can shove my 2 shops where the sun don't shine! I've waited 3 years to get them back and now this crap! I'm absolutely fuming! :mad:

I didn't want a new mall and I didn't want a mall shop or I'd have bought one already. What I wanted was my little shopping areas back at the original item point sizes and rental fees. This is what annoys me more than anything! Good luck to them selling these shops on auction with those fees especially in a Mall without it's own tp, storage area or auction.

I'm assuming all this is happening because my shops weren't working just prior to VU10. Is that my fault? NO! MA made us give back the deeds and returned our peds because they were too damn lazy to fix a simple bug :mad:
 
whats up with these guys ?

Nadie said:
My reply from support today:

Needless to say I'm asking for my ped back and they can shove my 2 shops where the sun don't shine! I've waited 3 years to get them back and now this crap! I'm absolutely fuming! :mad:

I didn't want a new mall and I didn't want a mall shop or I'd have bought one already. What I wanted was my little shopping areas back at the original item point sizes and rental fees. This is what annoys me more than anything! Good luck to them selling these shops on auction with those fees especially in a Mall without it's own tp, storage area or auction.

I'm assuming all this is happening because my shops weren't working just prior to VU10. Is that my fault? NO! MA made us give back the deeds and returned our peds because they were too damn lazy to fix a simple bug :mad:
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MARKO said they would get the same stats pre VU10 !!!
 
Rid of me.....

I just got a reply 2010-01-22 17:54 Entropia Universe Support:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzwG3r9_L9o[/YOUTUBE]​

I am taking the value amount they found in the original transaction 4 years ago.

The shop is no more.....

For me the mess is over, I'm pleased they have given me this option - However there is no compensation added & the investment did not increase in value in 4 years as is the result of all the mess.

I do thank support for there work - it must be a difficult job for them and there team - So thanks for all the replys......

I will support others who are in any mess with regards to New Oxford Shops & also thank all the support from the communitty here & on Entropia Planets forum :thumbup: Big thanks to TDO Soc for being there when the shit hits the fan - your fantastic...

The frustration I hope is over - & when I get the amount passed into my Ped card from MA, I will be relieved & shut the door to it.

We should always stand up for whats right & just - we are the customers, with out us, there is nothing.

Mf
 
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This is getting silly, two different answers so far to the same question. :mad:

Marco has final say on the matter and not MA imho but as he seems to be mia from EF at the moment unless someone has his FPC email account or get hold of him directly I doubt this will ever be sorted out.

The extra shops that were added getting higher fees I can understand but the ones involved in this fiasco should not be altered from their previous stats.

It completely undermines all player owned investments as it seems MA can and will increase the fees by 10x at any time and no one can do a thing about it.

All I can say is don't let the fuckers grind you down.
 
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SpikeBlack said:
It completely undermines all player owned investments as it seems MA can and will increase the fees by 10x at any time and no one can do a thing about it.
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Word. This seems to be exactly what they are doing.

As mentioned before, it is like they may well have a VU next month where CP will only have 3 domes, CND will have 12 domes, the Mod Fap now only heals 36 points, or decays 2.38 Peds per use.

They say they have a policy of retaining and not changing the Stats of items.

Then they do this.

And they cant get it right, even when they say they have a policy of not changing Stats, and will fix it.

Incredible.
 
Apparently, according to support, some shops have the "old" fees and some shops have the "new" fees:
Hi,
Thank you for your reply. Please ask the shop owner to contact us and we will check the statistics for him/her but what we know is that these are the right statistics for certain shops. Have a nice day in Entropia Universe.
Kind regards,
Entropia Universe Support
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I guess noone got wiser by that... (right statistics probably refers to 1 PED/item point)
 
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