UNION LEADER should get ban from MA??

[thoreau]

On another note.... The Hostess workers went on strike recently. The company (who makes Twinkies) told it's striking workers that if they didn't go back to work and start production they would shut down the company..... Guess what.... 18,000 people are now out of jobs as the company filed for bankruptcy.... Kinda hard to make any money and pay bills with all thier workers on strike.

If what I read was true, the company's final offer was a 8% cut in pay the first year, a 3% increase in pay the second year, and a 1% increase in pay in the fifth and final year of the contract.

So that means at the end of five years employees would be making 4% less than they do today.

Not only would their pay not keep with inflation, it would go down.

I'm not saying being out of work is a good thing - because it's not. I'm just saying its really hard to vote for something that will effectively reduce you pay by upwards of 15% over 5 years when inflation is included.

 

[Mary Jane]

Dunno if it's been mentioned but an in-game friend of mine Alpha AG Geek organized a sweat strike over the rubber banding problems many years ago. He called for Entropians to do NOTHING but sweat in their OJ's for one day in order to attempt to be heard and have the rubber banding problems fixed. He was banned. This was BEFORE I started playing but from what I hear it took some chat spamming with team names titled "Free Alpha Geek" before MindArk unlocked his avatar.

So in short.... YES. Organizing a strike WILL get that person banned from the game.

On another note.... The Hostess workers went on strike recently. The company (who makes Twinkies) told it's striking workers that if they didn't go back to work and start production they would shut down the company..... Guess what.... 18,000 people are now out of jobs as the company filed for bankruptcy.... Kinda hard to make any money and pay bills with all thier workers on strike.

So.... How do you think it would benefit the playerbase if MindArk lost a bucket load of money because the players stopped spending? MA still have bills to pay.

I think having a group of players to act like spokespersons on behalf of the playerbase would be a good idea under normal circumstances but there are way too many personal agendas for that to work here.... (I keep thinking of Mastermesh polluting every thread he could with whines about estate bugs....... No offence Mastermesh...)

What WOULD work however, would be MA paying attention to the complaints and suggestions on the forums a little more closely and being a bit more dilligent in trying to solve the problems that frustrate the players so much.

Menace

Great posts...

 

[rastamannen]

To give an answer to Svarog about this game being unique, yes for now. In a couple of weeks/months: no

 

[Svarog]

To give an answer to Svarog about this game being unique, yes for now. In a couple of weeks/months: no

Yeah, I've heard that someone with money is looking for the old PE coders . Attempts to create a "better EU" were done before, some of those attempts are still struggling to survive (like Afterworld).

 

[rastamannen]

Yeah, I've heard that someone with money is looking for the old PE coders . Attempts to create a "better EU" were done before, some of those attempts are still struggling to survive (like Afterworld).

True! But I think EU is struggling as well. I think AW have shown that they are serious with their new graphic engine and an average cost of 0,27 dollar per hour to play. I think that game is pretty thought trough but I myself enjoy EU more eventhough i think AW loot and crafting system is way better than EU. AW is growing, EU is decreasing, its not a fact just what i think.

 

[Joat]

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What WOULD work however, would be MA paying attention to the complaints and suggestions on the forums a little more closely and being a bit more dilligent in trying to solve the problems that frustrate the players so much.

Menace

Imo, there are some big problems/issues when it comes to MA:

1. They are to few in the staff that work with development of the platfom, graphics and features.
But as long as their economy is as it is, no way for them to hire more people.

2. They develop stuff to around 60% of what could have been done in features.
Just look at how many things that isn't fully optimized, and how many "that will be fixed
in the future".
Once a feature is active, they will not improve it for a long time.
Again, it's related to amount of people in design-and development team.

3. New features must produce revenue stream directly.
They are very strict in development in stuff that just improve gameplay without producing
direct revenue stream, e.g better chat- and messagesystems.
If they only could understand that more people should be more positive towards EU/MA if
the gameplay were more fun, had more advanced features that help players (e.g way more
advanced societysystem, a way to get info from each and every LA and so on), this
will in the end produce more revenue stream/depos.
And again, this is also related to how many that are in the development team.

4. Way more communication and interaction with the community.
They should have someone that have a good understanding of how EU and MA works,
and that are active on forums on a daily basis and not just drop in now and then on
their spare time.
Don't get me wrong here thou', I do like when MA- and PCABstaff are here, they for sure
could keep doing so, just that when they are way less active people bark at them for being
inactive. If someone who were hired managed all info and were interactive with playerbase,
players would probably be positive, and those in the staff that are here in their spare time can
have their time off from work spent as they want it.
Yep, still same issue... to few in the staff.

There are many more issues that could be solved and at least reduced in amount.
The question is, how to solve it? They for sure need a better economy, and here comes the
playerbase in.
Imo, there are way too few players that can relax and play for fun, without the need
to creat profit, that just use EU as a entertainment they don't mind paying for.
But to increase the amount of that kind of players, EU need to be more orientated
towards a gameplay that is fun and advanced enough.
How to get there? A development team that produce way more small and advanced useful
features... and for that, they need: Yeap, more staff.

It's a negative loop until they manage to get both good economy and fun enough gameplay.

 

[MIND]

my brain is confused

 

[Mary Jane]

Joat good points there.

One thing is true we need more players for more people in dwvelopement team but we must keep the old ones keep playing for better and stronger economy.

 

[DRDoom]

From my point of view, the "union leader" would be someone that is by definition against MA, thus against EU, thus against our game assets. He would extrapolate every singe issue and minimize the effort. This would give this game a bad name.

MA has to keep us as clients, if they fuck up too bad, players will leave by themselves. Thus they loose income.

This is the difference with IRL ppl working for a company can sometimes for various reasons not leave their work.


Instead of trying to get a union that is focussed on the negative part, it would be better ta have a "fanclub" that promote EU. If they succeed with that MA would listen much more to those who can bring new potential players in, than a negative one that thread with 'strikes' who can scare potential new players away.

 

[Count Joe]

no need for more interaction with the community. I sure MA knows what the community wants and its always the same.

Better returns
Fix bugs
More stuff to do
More itemdrops


The problem is that the community knows to much about EU and MA doesnt change anything.
We know almost 100% for sure what mob drops what and which gives better or worse return. We know where to mine and not to mine and what BP to craft and not to craft. how boring isnt that???

why dont MA change that so we dont know so much and have to explore know and then.

 

[Joat]

Joat good points there.

One thing is true we need more players for more people in dwvelopement team but we must keep the old ones keep playing for better and stronger economy.

Ah yeah, I missed to point that out too, that those who play must also stay, from newbies to veterans.

 

[Infinity]

IF this gets their attention, let them do something about the idiot long waiting time for withdraws...! 40/50 days waiting for a bank transfer is seriously not normal

 

[Franz Jaeger]

I'm quite sure that a "union leader" could be a good thing, but only as someone who collects and boil down the communities opinions for having an easier and more realistic dialogue. (Just as in real life)

I mean, should MA (or FPC or who it is nowadays) read and think thru all the opinions they would need at least one more full time employee more...
So I vote yes to such a post, but striking and so is just silly for a game.

On the other hand, there's a good point in the fact that many old time überplayers (and all the legends around them) have left. But then on the third hand confused people leave games now and then and after ten years I'd be quite surprised if noone left...

 

[Harvest]

I don't think we should worry about an organized strike, MA organizes that for us, kinda like an event, every time there's an update people quit.

I don't think a leader is necessary either. Lets not kid our selves, MA reads this forum more than most of us. They hear it loud and clear.

From my first days in 2007 this game has changed a lot. There is no way to explain the difference. You really wanted to log in to see what would happen. A couple things happen here. MA had to stop exploiters, they are parasites, so the game was made harder and bugs were fixed. The second I believe to be more of a business model, the idea is to always take more money out of your product, know as, give yourself a yearly bonus/raise. I do think by this time the team at MA should be a lot bigger. This game has become in a way, technically beyond their original plan. They seem to be missing opportunity because of this. The plan from a couple years ago seems to have hit a ceiling.

I think most people who played around the time of the original CND sale would like every one to have that same awesome experience we had. Nothing can last forever but it certainly was very different than this.

 

[Mary Jane]

I don't think we should worry about an organized strike, MA organizes that for us, kinda like an event, every time there's an update people quit.

I don't think a leader is necessary either. Lets not kid our selves, MA reads this forum more than most of us. They hear it loud and clear.

From my first days in 2007 this game has changed a lot. There is no way to explain the difference. You really wanted to log in to see what would happen. A couple things happen here. MA had to stop exploiters, they are parasites, so the game was made harder and bugs were fixed. The second I believe to be more of a business model, the idea is to always take more money out of your product, know as, give yourself a yearly bonus/raise. I do think by this time the team at MA should be a lot bigger. This game has become in a way, technically beyond their original plan. They seem to be missing opportunity because of this. The plan from a couple years ago seems to have hit a ceiling.

I think most people who played around the time of the original CND sale would like every one to have that same awesome experience we had. Nothing can last forever but it certainly was very different than this.

2007? Hmm the great funny times

 

[Xavier Target]

I will be the union leader. 1st order of business: Everyone needs to pay their union dues! 100 ped each monthly. Collecting in twins!

 

[TcooL]

I will be the union leader. 1st order of business: Everyone needs to pay their union dues! 100 ped each monthly. Collecting in twins!

Sure ! Lets meet so i can and then dump u in a container behind the Twins Mall.

 

[~CHOPPER~]

Hey Dear Entropians...

Long time I have been not doing a threat except for sales and here is it
I been away few months on begin of the year and when I return I still see more and more people cashing out and many long time players without even try to express they feelings because is no clear communication between MA and Player Base for a mutual understanding what really Entropia Universe is.
What do you prefer a game where we can trust with clear information, building a clear future prespective for the Player Base or with loots of fail promesses, useless beacons system, taming, Marketing Campain and others spamming this forum and making the game lost the shining years of Entropia.
Entropia Universe have a massive potential for the future this is for sure but is need to be clear communication between PB needs and MA spirit of communication and enthusiasm to build with community a strong and real cash economy game.
Every time a old player leave the game is a peace of ENTROPIA MYTH dying and money goes out making the game lose allot in long term.

In a free world like we all leave the right of speak is the most basic one in real world or virtual world.
Should a avatar reprents UNION LEADER of Entropia Universe collecting community problems and getting answers from MA to get a understanding of the game futures and needs get a BAN?

Yes?
NO?

We have a right for strike if we not happy and try to buil a better future trying to trace a right road for Entropia Universe future and we all be happy but ...do you think if someone organize a strike in Entropia Universe will get ban?

Thanks for reading and for the answers

Dude..
Put down the bong and step away from the keyboard...

 

[McCormick]

The annual wake up call !

The idea itself is nice, but to be honest, every player would vote for "his best ingame friend" (and vice versa). Fake accounts would fake the voting...Im here long enough to SEE it failing. -_-


p.s.

We did not get a ban in 2005

 

[McCormick]

Too bad we would flood the support ppl in Mexico, not in Sweden.
But I still like Atamis idea.^^

 

[Tree-doctor]

The annual wake up call !

The idea itself is nice, but to be honest, every player would vote for "his best ingame friend" (and vice versa). Fake accounts would fake the voting...Im here long enough to SEE it failing. -_-


p.s.

We did not get a ban in 2005

Hehe Francine

 

[rastamannen]

Maybe we could do as they do in France, everyone dumps their dung in front TP in twin, but then again, maybe thats why we cant drop dung on the ground anymore

 

[aia]

In a free world like we all leave the right of speak is the most basic one in real world or virtual world.
Should a avatar reprents UNION LEADER of Entropia Universe collecting community problems and getting answers from MA to get a understanding of the game futures and needs get a BAN?

I don't understand what you mean here. Your definition of "UNION LEADER" is someone who has inside contacts with MA and you want them banned? or what?

The closest thing we have to "Unions" is the sweater gathering thing on arkadia, and I think their only goal is to get better prices for sweat. Unless you buy sweat (or possibly ME) on Arkadia in a street trade you're unlikely to meet a "union represenative" and with exception of nexus selling, I doubt the impact for you will be big if the sweaters decide to go on strike.

Or do you more talk about "guides" appointed by planet represenatives? You want to ban someone for being a guide?

We have a right for strike if we not happy and try to buil a better future trying to trace a right road for Entropia Universe future and we all be happy but ...do you think if someone organize a strike in Entropia Universe will get ban?

First different people want different things ingame. If you want to make a general strike it will probably be impossible to get everyone with you. And "strikes" on a smaller scales happens all the time, peope going, taking a break, coming back, or stop mining for a few months if loot is bad and that kind of things.

If the strike organizer will get a ban, well dunno. Probably depends on seriousness and the impact of other players. I think most people want a dialogue with MA, not a plain conflict.

 

[Mary Jane]

One thing all people must understand I dont want a strike I want mutual communication between MA and player base if that dont works so yes we musg stop one day for MA realize that the game need us to keep rolling.
I never in this thread talk about returns I'm just focus on destroy old systems and lack of communication.

 

[schledudenfreud]

I don't know if it woul dbe a good time to have one specific union leader but i think it would be good to have a group of people or decision making team that could actually have a serious voice to talk to MA about these problems they always having.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

One thing all people must understand I dont want a strike I want mutual communication between MA and player base if that dont works so yes we musg stop one day for MA realize that the game need us to keep rolling.
I never in this thread talk about returns I'm just focus on destroy old systems and lack of communication.

I thought this was what the land lot system was supposed to accomplish in part.

You know. A group of players willing to put their money where their mouths are who actually are invested in the success of EU, and not just paying for their own chance at success.

There's a difference. I'll give folks a hint as to what that is.

The land lot value is only as good as the players who support it. The payout of the land lots is ancillary, call it a bonus for work put in.

 

[ChadGareau]

*subscribing*

 

[CycoKick]

I guess that not checkig in on Pe for a year doesnt change much about the quality of threads and the issues at hand..

Although i can safely say; I R Done. was fun since the end of 2003 but it just isnt what it used to be.

Lets see if they can one thing right and finalize my withdraw fast.

..snickers...laughs....realised how stupid and naive i just sounded.....

 

[Mary Jane]

I guess that not checkig in on Pe for a year doesnt change much about the quality of threads and the issues at hand..

Although i can safely say; I R Done. was fun since the end of 2003 but it just isnt what it used to be.

Lets see if they can one thing right and finalize my withdraw fast.

..snickers...laughs....realised how stupid and naive i just sounded.....

Same feeling here but leave without complain and try to make PE a better game is not good too towards s place where we spend millions of hours last 7 years. Its easy leave without complain like I said in this thread because all of us know that talk to MA dont exist...

 

[Magyar_Republic]

I guess that not checkig in on Pe for a year doesnt change much about the quality of threads and the issues at hand..

It sure does not.

I have noticed the same shit being said ad nauseum since 2010. My patience however is far thinner than some others may be.