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Price Check Unique Reaper's blade t10 vs Mace 6 Fen T10

Combat Mace 6 FEN, value at Tier 10

  • 200k (37% cost of Unique reaper's blade T10 at 530k)

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • 300k (56% cost of Unique reaper's blade T10 at 530k)

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • 400k (75% cost of Unique reaper's blade T10 at 530k)

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Other value, write in thread.

    Votes: 7 21.9%

  • I'm just here for the meme's.. HALF A MILLION PED!

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • Total voters
    32
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In case you missed it: Unique Reaper's blade t10
A tier 10 Unique Reaper's blade currently has an offer of 530k (items + peds I assume). Assuming this offer is legit.
Last sale that I hear was around 220k ped in items + ped.

If I compare this mace at tier 10 vs the reaper blade at t10 the difference is not that crazy to justify such a huge price gap.
Entropia wiki stats at my current setup @ 5% crit, 65% crit damage and 25% reload (10 mg hyperstim).
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As you can see the Reaper's blade has only 12.12 dps more than the mace and a bit more dpp. I assume the blade is also at 90% efficiency with the trauma 10 fen amp, as is the unique sacrificial dagger.
Speaking from my own experience using a bp-70 perfected and cycled over 2M ped with it. The difference between 3.7-3.8 dpp vs 3.6 dpp was not even noticeable in loot and I actually used it mostly with mod evil amp (3.6 dpp) vs 3.8 dpp for the extra dps gain.

Assuming the reaper's blade goes for the 530k SB instead of 600k bo.
Reaper's blade evaluation vs the mace 6 fen.
"Unique" name = 30k.
DPS = 100k.
Eff = 100k
12.12 dps extra = 100k.
0.131 dpp more = 100k.
Hype MU: 100k.

Okay lets say the mace is worth 200k at tier 10 (a bargain compared to this reaper's blade). Now it makes perfect sense for the amazing gains above, the reaper's blade vs the mace at tier 10 it's worth 330k ped more right? :giggle:

Mace pro's & cons vs the Unique Reaper's blade.
Pro's of the mace:
46 attack speed, o/ massive 4 attack speed faster than the sword. Toilet brush hits faster so ideal in pvp scenarios where it's whoever spanks first wins.
If at tier 10 it's worth 200k it will cost 37% of what the unique reaper's blade is worth.
If at tier 10 it's worth 300k, it will cost 56% of what the unique reaper's blade is worth.
If at tier 10 it's worth 400k, it will cost 75% of what the unique reaper's blade is worth.

Cons of the mace:
DPS: -12.12
Eff: -2.2% with trauma 10 fen amp.
Does not use universal ammo. But is not that big of a deal. You can sell shrapnel at 100.5%.
Looks like a toilet brush. (Alas there's still hope MA improves its looks with the UE5 update) ;)

Does it make sense the current price on unique reaper's blade in todays market?
Did I hit the jackpot on this mace, it appears to be the most undervalued FEN weapon? What price would you value it at tier 10?

I'm curious of your thoughts. There's a poll if you wanna vote instead of posting.
 
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Bearing a 500k price tag
1. does not mean that someone buy the item at 500k
2. i recall a fen mace for 80k traded 3 month ago was not T10 but rare to spend 100k to tier up

simply prices have double up for no reason but rarity and a hype on eff a nd rigging due to scarcity of decent items
all in all... it is just "Greater fool theory", a well known economic phenomenon
reduced MU all across the board show that there is no demand of anything due to playerbase icnrease so prices are just high due some seller try to sell high.
if they sucess, it is just like when a IMK2 was sold at 250k in old times.....
i guess a price of 100k for the mace, just because prices are crazy.
open to flames
 
It is driven by raw speculation. There’s a gathering acceleration in price for an asset that far outstrips the asset’s intrinsic value. That means people are willing to pay more and more for a security or another asset, above and beyond what’s expected based on things like demand, earnings, revenue or growth potential.
 
No prices on anything makes sense. Honestly who gives a shit anymore. Sell the mace for 300k or 200k or whatever you can get. We’ve gone full retard on pricing. I’m going to wait for the world economy to crash and swoop all the shit up for pennies on the dollar.
Pro tip: sell to a reseller for 250k so they can sit on it hoping to get 350k.
 
anonimity said:
No prices on anything makes sense. Honestly who gives a shit anymore. Sell the mace for 300k or 200k or whatever you can get. We’ve gone full retard on pricing. I’m going to wait for the world economy to crash and swoop all the shit up for pennies on the dollar.
Pro tip: sell to a reseller for 250k so they can sit on it hoping to get 350k.
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So True, I've been gone for a while and not kept up with all that's gone on in the EU.
It's interesting to see how far the prices on items can go.
 
It was sold for Items plus PEDs worth 530k. Seeing as item value is purely subjective to the holder and items have been batshit crazy in price recently, I wouldn’t think too hard about this. Both parties likely valued these items substantially lower but kept the “price” up as to not deflate the bubble that has been artificially created.
 
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The universal ammo use comparing shrap at 100.5% is like gaining an extra 7.14 points of efficiency over the club.

I think that alone makes a huge difference. I wouldn't value t10 fen mace more than 120k compared to current crazy sale prices
 
Sub-Zero said:
In case you missed it: Unique Reaper's blade t10
A tier 10 Unique Reaper's blade currently has an offer of 530k (items + peds I assume). Assuming this offer is legit.
Last sale that I hear was around 220k ped in items + ped.

If I compare this mace at tier 10 vs the reaper blade at t10 the difference is not that crazy to justify such a huge price gap.
Entropia wiki stats at my current setup @ 5% crit, 65% crit damage and 25% reload (10 mg hyperstim).
index.php


As you can see the Reaper's blade has only 12.12 dps more than the mace and a bit more dpp. I assume the blade is also at 90% efficiency with the trauma 10 fen amp, as is the unique sacrificial dagger.
Speaking from my own experience using a bp-70 perfected and cycled over 2M ped with it. The difference between 3.7-3.8 dpp vs 3.6 dpp was not even noticeable in loot and I actually used it mostly with mod evil amp (3.6 dpp) vs 3.8 dpp for the extra dps gain.

Assuming the reaper's blade goes for the 530k SB instead of 600k bo.
Reaper's blade evaluation vs the mace 6 fen.
"Unique" name = 30k.
DPS = 100k.
Eff = 100k
12.12 dps extra = 100k.
0.131 dpp more = 100k.
Hype MU: 100k.

Okay lets say the mace is worth 200k at tier 10 (a bargain compared to this reaper's blade). Now it makes perfect sense for the amazing gains above, the reaper's blade vs the mace at tier 10 it's worth 330k ped more right? :giggle:

Mace pro's & cons vs the Unique Reaper's blade.
Pro's of the mace:
46 attack speed, o/ massive 4 attack speed faster than the sword. Toilet brush hits faster so ideal in pvp scenarios where it's whoever spanks first wins.
If at tier 10 it's worth 200k it will cost 37% of what the unique reaper's blade is worth.
If at tier 10 it's worth 300k, it will cost 56% of what the unique reaper's blade is worth.
If at tier 10 it's worth 400k, it will cost 75% of what the unique reaper's blade is worth.

Cons of the mace:
DPS: -12.12
Eff: -2.2% with trauma 10 fen amp.
Does not use universal ammo. But is not that big of a deal. You can sell shrapnel at 100.5%.
Looks like a toilet brush. (Alas there's still hope MA improves its looks with the UE5 update) ;)

Does it make sense the current price on unique reaper's blade in todays market?
Did I hit the jackpot on this mace, it appears to be the most undervalued FEN weapon? What price would you value it at tier 10?

I'm curious of your thoughts. There's a poll if you wanna vote instead of posting.
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The mace is shit because it doesn't use uni ammo, and based on that, you lose shit load of efficiency if you grind a lot for example mayhem instance which drops only shrapnel, and let's be real, you can't sell 30-40k ped shrapnel daily that easy if you cycle a lot.


I'd rather use 70-80% eff weapon that use uni ammo, much more benefit over time.
 
Sulje said:
The mace is shit because it doesn't use uni ammo, and based on that, you lose shit load of efficiency if you grind a lot for example mayhem instance which drops only shrapnel, and let's be real, you can't sell 30-40k ped shrapnel daily that easy if you cycle a lot.


I'd rather use 70-80% eff weapon that use uni ammo, much more benefit over time.
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Just by curiosity, what weapon are you using if that mace is shit?
 
@ Suljie: i like the way you are provoking and reacting emotionally to some post it amuses me
lets see the real numbers on the 30 40k ped shrapnels you are saying.
1. caly hunting 80% shrapnels return (on outer planet it is way lower)
2. above setup with 223.82 DPS @ 3.665 DPP = 61.07 Pec per second (100% active, it is a melee weapon, allow me to use 10% of the time to run around to engage monster, you are not hunting L5 spawn with that DPS so some movement is mandatory) so 55 pec/second

that generates 0.55 * 60 *60 = 1980 ped/hour cycle rate
at 80% shrapnel production it is 1580 ped per hour in shraps

i dont think ppl play 20 hour entropia and if they do something bad happens to their brain so 30k shraps is a real theoretical number but...

lets say i just TT those and go for repair so i loose a straight 0.5% or 7.9 ped per hour

being this a "shit" you buy a 530k "godly holygrail miralce pedprinter" tool at 530.000
and i buy the "shit" at an aoutrageous 200k (more than double of first quarter price, but hell it has FEN name and it commands 100k hype in price"

to recoup the difference of shrapnels we need 41.772 Hours of hunting.......
i exclude meth, pervitin and insomnia diseases and a life of any kind and allow you to hunt "just " 15 hours per day
and mate, in otehr post you said "botting" is nto for you so 15 is a generous gametime to allow 1 shower, a meal in front of the game, 7 hour sleeping and no cathetere so you can go to toilet some time
the point of indifference is 2784 days RAW
Eff benefit of 2.2% or 0.15% probably allow you to get some less shrapnels but please... it is really negligible
ao ... after 7.63 years you come back and say
"told you that my godly sword is better than your shit"

i still think that Decay saving is best so the MM40 and 2870 are among the greatest tools due the only thing we are sure is that decay is eaten by MA in some amount,... the less i feed them the more i keep fat
 
i apologize, i do not PVP also in games where pvp has some sense... so i politely reject the invitation,
i re-read every word in sub-zero post
and mybe i am italy born and it is due to my poor english, but i cant see ANY word referring to a sale
to me "i hit a jackpot with this" means the opposite
i purchased this "shit" and i think i made a real bargain what do you think?
just a couple of people said... to me its worth around 100kish, (and the sword is probably 200kish compared)
it is like stock market
value of company and price of stock are seldom correlated.
too many factors enter in the price tag

scarcity "unique"
brand "FEN"
expectations "ped priting tool" "mayhem could reshape giving DPS DPP or EFF more impact"
hype on sector "high eff"
seasonal "a new VU / Engine / content is coming"

and most important FEAR & GREED
fear to loose value on tools (comapre Evey interesting posts on "buy an item for usinjg it and not for revaluation"
greed "it cost nothing to me if not some bashing to ask for higher price, a greater fool can buy hoping to sell for more"

stock market, entropia, animal spirit.... it is an already seen movie.

sorry messi for using you as an example cause you are not in the thread.

sacrifical dagger.... same stat as the sword
how much would you add of value for "former messi weapon?" int eh tag? 100k? 500k? 1m?
if i had Rocco Siffredi "tool" i would probably not be the greatest pornstar, probably just have 1 pound more flesh to carry with me
it is mind, not weapon.

amrket rise and fall, tools change, environment change.
to amortize 500k MU (yes i consider ALL tools go to zero value to see my indifference point,
i saw too many companioes bankrupt just imagine CRD and DVD rentals (Blockbuster) they were wiped out by change in environment as netflix arrived
a sword is as good as the hand that wields it....and some prices are too much also for the best hand

i would sell ANY weapon that is offered more than requires more than 3 years to zero the MU compared to armatrix and adjusted for eff
you can go 100 looter on armatrix fot that amount so it is simply offset by other stats....
but of course it is my personal faulty veiw and i game just entropia since 1 year
i base all on the 26 year of professional capital markets comaprison... all in all RCE is RCE

a last word. if yo prefer to buy a special item against a Mercedes GLA AMG it is a respectable chice
 
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Sub-Zero said:
Does not use universal ammo. But is not that big of a deal. You can sell shrapnel at 100.5%.
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How many mayhems you played with it ?
During mahyem you cant even sell shrap for 100.4%.
I believe with that dps its easily 25-30k shrapnel You will have to to get rid daily :D
Even if you plan to sell after mayhem you you will need to hold 400k+ of it :D
 
anonimity said:
No prices on anything makes sense. Honestly who gives a shit anymore. Sell the mace for 300k or 200k or whatever you can get. We’ve gone full retard on pricing. I’m going to wait for the world economy to crash and swoop all the shit up for pennies on the dollar.
Pro tip: sell to a reseller for 250k so they can sit on it hoping to get 350k.
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It's funny to see how all the resellers are pumping prices like there's no tomorrow :D will indeed be funny to see how it continuous. Next selling point I bet is the graphics engine update that will make the price skyrocket according to some :)
 
MikeH said:
How many mayhems you played with it ?
During mahyem you cant even sell shrap for 100.4%.
I believe with that dps its easily 25-30k shrapnel You will have to to get rid daily :D
Even if you plan to sell after mayhem you you will need to hold 400k+ of it :D
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transform srapnell into UA, then buy yourself a P160 and get rid of them.
 
minim said:
It's funny to see how all the resellers are pumping prices like there's no tomorrow :D will indeed be funny to see how it continuous. Next selling point I bet is the graphics engine update that will make the price skyrocket according to some :)
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skyrocket in what direction? what if they will introduce lots of new weapons? About the sword, Smilgs hunting log can clearly say what that weapon is capable of.
 
I don't understand why so much talk for so obvious?- 300k. period.
 
An Item is worth whatever some random dude is ready to pay for it.

So there is no knowledge or anything else involved just the will to have it and the pocket full of money basicly.

cheers
 
MikeH said:
How many mayhems you played with it ?
During mahyem you cant even sell shrap for 100.4%.
I believe with that dps its easily 25-30k shrapnel You will have to to get rid daily :D
Even if you plan to sell after mayhem you you will need to hold 400k+ of it :D
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Mayhem shrapnel doesn't matter even if I were to TT it. The majority of the MU comes from boxes and m tokens, mayhem armors, weapons etc. Even if you use a weapon that uses universal ammo eventually if you don't got big enough bankroll you gotta start TT some shrapnel as well, during mayhems btw.
 
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Sub-Zero said:
Mayhem shrapnel doesn't matter even if I were to TT it. The majority of the MU comes from boxes and m tokens, mayhem armors, weapons etc. Even if you use a weapon that uses universal ammo eventually if you don't got big enough bankroll you gotta start TT some shrapnel as well, during mayhems btw.
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FYI, if you loot 5M shrapnel per year, you lose 50k ped UA via TTing shrapnel... per year
 
Sub-Zero said:
Mayhem shrapnel doesn't matter even if I were to TT it. The majority of the MU comes from boxes and m tokens, mayhem armors, weapons etc. Even if you use a weapon that uses universal ammo eventually if you don't got big enough bankroll you gotta start TT some shrapnel as well, during mayhems btw.
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But if you have the bankroll, the shrapnel goes a long way! Not saying I like this unique sword, I really don't, I never did, it's not even in my top 10, I even prefer MF combos over this, but, the shrapnel consumption really goes a long way.

How people are interested in this more than in BP110 or BP130, is out of my understanding.... maybe is the unique factor? Maybe the looks helping to compensate for other things?? It's a cool tool but to me it's around MF FEN chips and below mayhem pistols above lvl 100.
I have yet to see someone perform actually well with this and not just acquire it as a trophy... maybe next owner can change the curse :D :D
 
The maximum value i wuld spend to any item ingame is 50.000 ped

Because it is already more then retardet to put this compared small amount of money into a game

You culd buy for 500.000 ped a small house and rent it out , or sell it

Like think about it 50.000 ped you can buy a car

Or some great working Tools for rl

I recently bought a New Flor for my Livingroom for around 48000 ped

So in my eyes a weapon for 200.000 ped and more need to have following benefits:
Making cofee
Driving me to work
Cleaning
Doing dishes

Or if you are totaly in for pixel thats the money for a very awesome high end gaming rig

I took those examples because we talk about the beneficial Aspect in a real cash economy based game

Since its about economy:

Better put the money in your rl developing you will end up having more in 1 year then trying to get the cash back in 10 years by using the weapon


My two pecs
 
While we all analyze the economic deveelopment and where prices mmight go, where they 'make sense' or dont - lets not forget that due to the priceincrease we now can loot regular rare items that sell for over 20k (eg recent slugstorm by evey) which was a year ago just 10k - the 20k now might not buy more equippment then last year in comparison but it sure funds alot more hunting now then it did back then. There is upsides in good mu even if its 'spiked' by wealthy players ;)
 
Sub-Zero said:
Mayhem shrapnel doesn't matter even if I were to TT it. The majority of the MU comes from boxes and m tokens, mayhem armors, weapons etc. Even if you use a weapon that uses universal ammo eventually if you don't got big enough bankroll you gotta start TT some shrapnel as well, during mayhems btw.
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I'm assuming you have the FEN 6 mace. If so, then when you get that Arson 4 FEN you're looking to buy, depending on tier, you'll use a good amount of shrap/UA so it will be even less of an issue for you. I use a Arson 4 FEN tier 3 (soon to be tier 4) with my Power Claw 6 FEN (which doesn't use ammo either) for tagging/pre-/co-damaging. Any leftover shrap goes towards my side projects of tiering up my L4, ML-35 adj and my dirty Swine Deluxe 🙃. I also use the shrap/ua for the stockpile of armatrix (L) guns and CDF tokens I've accumulated over the years for team/shared-loot hunting and/or for the times when I just want to hunt ranged.
 
Optimator said:
I'm assuming you have the FEN 6 mace. If so, then when you get that Arson 4 FEN you're looking to buy, depending on tier, you'll use a good amount of shrap/UA so it will be even less of an issue for you. I use a Arson 4 FEN tier 3 (soon to be tier 4) with my Power Claw 6 FEN (which doesn't use ammo either) for tagging/pre-/co-damaging. Any leftover shrap goes towards my side projects of tiering up my L4, ML-35 adj and my dirty Swine Deluxe 🙃. I also use the shrap/ua for the stockpile of armatrix (L) guns and CDF tokens I've accumulated over the years for team/shared-loot hunting and/or for the times when I just want to hunt ranged.
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Yes that's one of the reasons I want to get one. Good dps boost too.
 
Assuming you need a complete kit of top end items (such as rings, amps), plus insane looter skill, that might take a player into the realms of pre-loot-2 potential returns. Then the weapon only has value to those that have the above.

Still not clear why items could command such prices, if returns are limited to a "maximum cap" in loot 2. I don't believe MA have clarified that even unique items can beat their loot 2 algorithm. So assuming there is a cap on returns the only way of recovering the purchase price is by MU.

it would be interesting to understand the payback period of those using such items with full kit of top gear in the loot 2 + looter skill game environmental. Maybe it isn't even possible, or might take 30 years haha.

Rick.
 
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