- Sep 20, 2008
- Niagara Falls, Canada
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- Rob Menace Klok
Make Virtual Reality Great Again!
It all depends on what you define as a job and whether you have to pay them to do it. Picking up fruit or dung could be defined as a job.the easy answer is Neverdie has lost the sense of reality long ago. didnt he say he wanted to create 1 billion jobs in EU? xD
you dont need to be a genius to see that this is impossible.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htmhe wanted to create 1 billion jobs though. or has it changed since he has seen that not even enough people with internet access and being in a proper age exist to accomplish this?
Neverdie on russian propaganda news? omglolwtflaugh etc until I'm out of air and drop dead
People see what fits their established theories. I for one thought you were comparing ND to JFK , and didn't see it as an attempt to belittle anyone either. That some people are better at making stuff and others at selling it - it has been known since, I dunno, ancient Mesopotamia?It has dawned on me that I should have kept politics out of this thread.
How dare you call Mesopotamia ancient? You some kind of brain-dead historian?People see what fits their established theories. I for one thought you were comparing ND to JFK , and didn't see it as an attempt to belittle anyone either. That some people are better at making stuff and others at selling it - it has been known since, I dunno, ancient Mesopotamia?
There are 90 countries where the minimum wage is lower than $1.25 per hour (so $200 per month for a full-time job); I assume social security level in those countries is about half of that, so $100 per month, so far from your $500.Assumed we put the bare minimum pay for such a 'job' at social security level, i.e. ca. $500 = 5000 PED
The problem is not in the absolute numbers, but in the question of sustainability. Every system which relies on exponential growth, i.e. continuous intake of more resources/people to sustain the already existing ones, is going to hit a ceiling sooner or later. With the above I tried to raise this question. Every job, real or virtual, requires a certain number of paying customers to sustain it, which means it depends on permanent influx from outside. Where is this going to come from?There are 90 countries where the minimum wage is lower than $1.25 per hour (so $200 per month for a full-time job); I assume social security level in those countries is about half of that, so $100 per month, so far from your $500.
Also, we all know that ND can be delusional at times, so I think what's important here is not to focus on his (evidently off) numbers but on the idea itself. Now I don't want to get again in a debate if that's good or bad, but just saying that it sure is interesting.
DoA in your way of thinking here, do you think people with these jobs in those 90 countries would even have enough money to play this game?There are 90 countries where the minimum wage is lower than $1.25 per hour (so $200 per month for a full-time job); I assume social security level in those countries is about half of that, so $100 per month, so far from your $500.
/mod note/It has dawned on me that I should have kept politics out of this thread.
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only stupid and simple people cause problems when left with too much time on their hands. that is why massively improved education must go hand in hand with robotisation. unfortunately, democracy in the current form is based on keeping the voter stupid enough to not rebel against systems that are corrupt by design. there is no such thing as a honest politician, and that is for a reason. if somebody was idealistic and really concerned about the benefit of all people, he would never get voted into office.The way I read ND's idea (please note that I talk about his idea, not about his exact numbers):
- World population is on a rise (maybe not in the well-developed countries, but worldwide it is)
- Since work is increasingly automated, fewer and fewer jobs are available for workers
- That means that more and more people will simply not be able to get a job because there will simply not be enough jobs for anyone
Now since we can't obviously let those people starve we should provide them some kind of income. And last year (actually exactly last June) in Switzerland there was a vote to allow a basic income plan ($2,560 per month for each adult and $650 per month for each child under 18). The vote failed (77% for NO, 23% for YES), but the simple fact that this was proposed is a sign that someday that may happen.
And while Switzerland was indeed the first country to vote on such a universal basic income plan, there are other countries and cities that are either considering the idea or have already started trial programs. For example, Finland is set to introduce a pilot program for a random sample of about 10,000 adults who will each receive a monthly handout of $625. The intent is to turn the two-year trial into a national plan if it proves successful. In the Netherlands, Utrecht is leading a group of municipalities that are experimenting with similar pilot projects. Even in the US, the idea of a guaranteed income has gained some traction, being promoted by some Democrats who are demanding more social justice, but it also has some right-wing advocates who see it as a better alternative to government welfare programs.
So we'll probably come to the point where we'll have to provide the people not able to get a job (because there simply are/will be more people than jobs) some form of income. Sure, one option is to just give it for free via welfare programs, but in this case, those people will be left with a lot of spare time during which they may cause problems and also it may cause more frustration to the people actually having a job knowing that the others are paid for doing nothing. That's why I think is better to create some fake jobs so there will always be enough jobs for everyone and what better place to create them if not in the virtual reality (where you don't have any added costs than the handed money themselves).
Sure, that doesn't mean that you or I have to pay for them; it sure has to be done in an organized way, paid from taxes, by governments, etc. But the idea by itself - of creating some fake virtual jobs that people without a job can do instead of simply receiving welfare is a really interesting one in my book.
I've looked into a few things, including the services mentioned. There aren't enough buyers for those microtasks to keep you afloat even at that level. A dollar an hour, yes, but not enough hours to get anywhere near putting food on the table. Survey links I keep getting sent by my gf who never hears that every single one I open tells me my region isn't eligible. The buyers don't want clicks from those who aren't relevant to them.I think if income of about USD 1 per hour is considered viable, it may actually be easier to sign up for a service such as the Amazon Mechanical Turk and earn US few cents to a few dollars an hour.
And there are other things you can do to earn small amounts of money as well. For example I got about USD 5 the pass month by doing some google surveys. Took me maybe 10 minutes in total to do the various surveys. Do all these "small jobs" and it should be viable to get USD 200 or more a month pretty easily.
It will require a lesser computer / internet connection to work with, and so initial costs for the impoverished "worker" will be lesser.