VU 9.4 vs VU 12.4

[OZtwo]

since i am laying it on the table... screw it here you go...


when this hof came...
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/5/1/6/6/gigantic_upload.jpg
I had 50k$ left in game (1/20/2010)
(90k on card... 20k in amps and minerals... 30k from hof+shadow SGA about 70k peds in value at the time + niflhiem TT+30k or 40k peds total... 200k peds in skills at the time...+other shit in storage...)

Now i have at best 20k$ left in game... (1/9/2012)
UL rainbow... empty storage.... half broken grem armour... and 220 hp and skills...
so in 2 years... beacause of bad loots... and losses from hunting/mining... and losses from items... i lost about 30k$


now I see only 1k peds coming around... no chance to make back those huge losses

you may say... joker you had a ton of hofs... and ubers
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...Looted-Items&p=2868563&viewfull=1#post2868563

yea those at best lately broke me even for a hunt...

so i am pleading my case... please fix loot or look into Melee... something Catastrophic has happened

oh and deposited 1,000$ in the last 1 or 2 months
and empty storage which had a few 1000 peds in it

Quest is, if you were making that much money back then, how could MA stay afloat?

 

[remontoire]

even the graphics were better in 9.4. When though, did EU start being managed by retards....it used to be so professional and balanced, with lots of people.

The graphics are what?... You know dude, stop using a braille reader to play EU!

Bring back the old background music and make sure that avatars can talk again and all the mysterious and deserted places you could visit.
Bring back the old Minopolis and give back one of the oldest cities of their status then I thinking of Janson.

Yes, having Jason be a city again, have a bar, etc would be good. Also, make the bars we have have different background musing to when you are not inside one. I can't imagine making a club as well, one where you would have a dance floor would go amiss, seeing as there are still people who like that in EU. The belk bar could be playing heavy metal, for example.

The game def became more expensive to play ... even at very low level. I skilled up to 2k rifle skill with my opalo+a101 at Atlas Haven in the old days and it only cost me about 100ped.... and I played that 100ped for many months. i cant see a newbie doing that these days.

A lot of the new additions are great tho:

new planets
more mobs
more items
vehicles
space
more mf
missions

But we have lost a lot along the way too... kerberos for one

I don't agree with you on the newbies part. But certainly, bring back Kerberos! And expand the spawns of small tripudions, cornundos etc. And entice newbies to go where there are more than punies after they have some skills.

YEEEAH give us back the swamp camp with the colimbos and the little lake and the few more experienced players there buying for 5 peds/k!

ahhh the memories

No, don't waste time on swamp camp redesign number 123, make more newbie friendly content!

 

[Joker]

Quest is, if you were making that much money back then, how could MA stay afloat?

who said that was profit then?

glad you think 30,000$ in 2 year is good price for video game


and losing 100,000$ a year with ease is fun

 

[KaelMeuk]

The game def became more expensive to play ... even at very low level. I skilled up to 2k rifle skill with my opalo+a101 at Atlas Haven in the old days and it only cost me about 100ped.... and I played that 100ped for many months. i cant see a newbie doing that these days.

A lot of the new additions are great tho:

new planets
more mobs
more items
vehicles
space
more mf
missions

But we have lost a lot along the way too... kerberos for one

It is still possible to skill Rifle to 2k with ~100ped.

 

[Kim|MindArk]

When you talk about old music, do you mean the music from the entropia albums that can be found on planetcalypso.com?

Edit/ Around the World is probably my favourite track

 

[Joker]

When you talk about old music, do you mean the music from the entropia albums that can be found on planetcalypso.com?

Edit/ Around the World is probably my favourite track

maybe these
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?204745-Bring-back-the-old-Music!

i like the old PVP music got my heart pumping at the rig... and pvp3

shame PVP is 1 shot now... before PVP was a real battle... could go and take multi shots...

guns have exceeded protection and hp

 

[remontoire]

who said that was profit then?

glad you think 30,000$ in 2 year is good price for video game


and losing 100,000$ a year with ease is fun

You must find it good if you are spending it, no?

How much of that was your foma mining adventure, where you set yourself up for failure? Similar adventures? How much did you lose to damage enhancers? I don't think MA is making you play like you do.

 

[Joker]

You must find it good if you are spending it, no?

How much of that was your foma mining adventure, where you set yourself up for failure? Similar adventures? How much did you lose to damage enhancers? I don't think MA is making you play like you do.

foma was a minor loss....
around 6.3k peds if i recall...

lately with the big losses as stated earlier... hunting high eco gear... highest frequented mobs...
it must be something with melee though cause returns like i said were 20-50% at best

refer to that post
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...4-vs-VU-12.4&p=2870064&viewfull=1#post2870064

 

[RobVee]

Nice poll! I had to think hard and in the end I voted for VU 9.4. Mainly because back then there was a working taming system.

Should taming be back, in let's say VU 13.x then I would vote for that instead of VU 9.4.

 

[Mariko Ninja]

My vote now went to V9.4. Granted graphics look nice and I like the new vehicles and other new things.
But it lack so many thing that we had in V9.4.

I can sometimes miss the old days as well but when you think about the things we have now that we didn't have back then id say that we are in a better situation today. After all, chasing down a fleeing noob with a helicopter is pretty neat.

What I miss has more to do with the games atmosphere, something is lacking and that's one thing I want to look into during the coming year.

Kim, that would be a very wise and much needed thing to do.
I think you find a lot of awnsers here on the forum, here you could start reading.
Many good point made by others there, I hope this helps.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...Entropia-Universe-lost-it’s-magic.&highlight=

 

[KaelMeuk]

As a player that played a little bit few years ago i have to say i wouldn't even be here without the new engine, there alot of players that like graphics and i don't even see much of the things that are missing as a player that didn't play much back then. I am sure some of the old missing stuff will still be added as well.

 

[RobVee]

I can sometimes miss the old days as well but when you think about the things we have now that we didn't have back then id say that we are in a better situation today. After all, chasing down a fleeing noob with a helicopter is pretty neat.

What I miss has more to do with the games atmosphere, something is lacking and that's one thing I want to look into during the coming year.

Try to bring back the old Fort Argus atmosphere with the small TP, outside terminals for crafting and such on a single square!

 

[KlowN]

I must say, it's exciting to see how close the votes are. Proves how enjoyable EU has been to people over the years and still remains great.

 

[remontoire]

foma was a minor loss....
around 6.3k peds if i recall...

lately with the big losses as stated earlier... hunting high eco gear... highest frequented mobs...
it must be something with melee though cause returns like i said were 20-50% at best

refer to that post
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...4-vs-VU-12.4&p=2870064&viewfull=1#post2870064

This is really off topic in this thread but :

Minor loss? And your total big loss is made up of something else than lots of minor losses? Math says its not. If you want to not have losses, you have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us, regardless of uber status and owning fancy high level SIB weapons. Hunt mobs that give you markup, not mobs that are popular or frequently hunted. Swirlies are nice and heart warming, but unless it had MU inside, its just eye candy, and will ultimately give you losses. You have frigging 220hp and gods know how many levels on evader, make some use of that to trod somewhere else than the most taken paths?

Oh, and you are welcome to say that as a newb, I know nothing.

 

[WoenK]

The only that was really great about 9.4 (besides the old music tracks, I really miss the ones that did not make it into VU10.0) was when the Titan came down and everyone died
Seriously, engine was way outdated, bugs took months to get fixed (if ever) and the time between updates was 5-6 months.
From my spending rate the loot was even worse, my deposits were also more consistent then.

The only let down now is, that I can not "enjoy" even 10% of the contents added, but that is rather down to my financial situation. The return rate on low level hunts is fine and I do not expect to go anywhere fast with that.

 

[Ainu]

9.4
The old swamp camp was just epic and twins too. you could hang around for hours. Now its just too big, too scattsred and too non-functional (same goes for loot) that i just want to log out before im even logged in..
And what did we got back? Space and new mobs too expensive too use?? LOL if it aint broke just dont fix it..

 

[Joker]

perfect example... just depoed 500 peds (50$)
Session time: 01:31:29
Full maxed eco Rainbow sword...
Grem armour...
atrox near ithica

i have 51.86 peds on card... and 103.6 peds in armour decay...
this is most expensive game in the world
besides casino games


so i guess i miss the days when 50$ lasted more then 2 hours
bring those times back Kim!

 

[SanSiim]

Nostalgia could be good. We had some things that have been lost, especially with MF.





Lots of new things gained though, even so I really miss the way things were in other areas. Such is the way of progress.

Ah the old Swamp

To me I'd say the 9.4 was better, because IMO it was more fun to play (had friends playing that have quit the game by now), laptop was actually able to run the game smoothly, PVP was FUN (read without tier guns and vehicles) and so on... and so on...

 

[Mega]

perfect example... just depoed 500 peds (50$)
Session time: 01:31:29
Full maxed eco Rainbow sword...
Grem armour...
atrox near ithica

i have 51.86 peds on card... and 103.6 peds in armour decay...
this is most expensive game in the world
besides casino games


so i guess i miss the days when 50$ lasted more then 2 hours
bring those times back Kim!

Hunt something else then.

 

[Wollongong]

I'm going with 9.4, but mainly due to the sense of community and connection which I then experienced, for instance at sweatcamp. I've kinda lost that feeling somewhere, and ended up hunting solo....disconnecting me from the community even further.

Oh, and back in 9.4, we were all eager and enthusiastic about the upcoming VU 10....we've lost that feeling...because you cannot anticipate what is already there.

 

[Joker]

Hunt something else then.

you wouldnt believe me but the other shit is even worse! right now i am doing good 50% returns...
the other stuff like rex... levis... aulri... kret...ambu etc are sub 50%

i got 2 PMs from the threads i wrote in about melee... and these other hunters also experiencing the same problem...

so maybe its melee... but like i said something changed very bad for melee recently and since i been melee for years... i noticed it right away... and it isnt getting better...

i really hope MA looks into the balance of the melee since they changed the loot on the 19thish of Dec.

 

[Mega]

Oh, and back in 9.4, we were all eager and enthusiastic about the upcoming VU 10....we've lost that feeling...because you cannot anticipate what is already there.

Do you remember all threads about non working teleport chips, no sweating, missing apartments, slight hills completely unclimbable, nighttime being pitch dark and all the rest? VU 10.0 was a challenge to say the least, oh and I remember dead mobs skateboarding off into the distance too, that one was quite amusing.

 

[Pifometre]

Voted VU 9.4
Although preferred V8.
Ok, now we have better graphics and vehicules. But seems to me new landscapes are very similar (LAs NW of Eudoria and Arkadia).. missing the unique atmosphere around each tp of 9.4.
Missing friends and people that stopped playing due to lack of return, so we are only 2/3 in my soc to meet from time to time when we were 15 daily earlier.
Missing the trust on the game . I thought my skills were useful and had a sense, but discovered they only help to increase my cost of play. I am fed up to kill totally empty mobs that take all my peds during mining : faucervix, tezlapods, molisks..(list is too long). Missing claims. Missing strange red signal in a corner of my search window.
Missing fun.
Reasons i stopped logging as often than before.

 

[Infinity01]

I'm in the minority group. Voted for VU 12.4.

I know I had good time as far as loot is concenred during pre-VU10.
But now I enjoy other aspect of EU... the graphics, vehicles. the other planets... and yes space too.. especially behavior of avatar in space... it's fascinating to me!

The only thing(other than loot) I miss is the TP runs. especially when i was a noob. I really hope MA would bring back the fun of doing TP runs without any vehicles! If you agree chime in here https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...-ability-to-ride-or-drive-vehicles-by-newbie!!

 

[Wollongong]

Do you remember all threads about non working teleport chips, no sweating, missing apartments, slight hills completely unclimbable, nighttime being pitch dark and all the rest? VU 10.0 was a challenge to say the least, oh and I remember dead mobs skateboarding off into the distance too, that one was quite amusing.

Nope, didn't forget... but I was talking about the 9.4 period, when we didn't know all that yet

Hell, 10.0 almost blew up my PC at first...needed to get a whole new videocard for it (which increased the lifespan of my PC I had at the time by a year)

 

[WoenK]

Do you remember all threads about non working teleport chips, no sweating, missing apartments, slight hills completely unclimbable, nighttime being pitch dark and all the rest? VU 10.0 was a challenge to say the least, oh and I remember dead mobs skateboarding off into the distance too, that one was quite amusing.

I think VU10.0 was really the worst to go through...with dead mobs sinking into the ground beeing unlootable (I am sure in one of them was my ATH ) and we actually had to _WALK_ to places to discover them Took me quite some hours to discover Athena Spaceport.

One thing that was maybe better in VU9.4 were the whining threads of the same people complaining about loot now...can't put my finger on it, but somehow their arguments as well as the "novelity" have worn off

 

[Joker]

we need more lars falk
http://www.planetcalypso.com/media/music/

 

[Immortal]

everything except pvp and LG is better


pity those things were what i loved best about EU

 

[remontoire]

i have 51.86 peds on card... and 103.6 peds in armour decay...
this is most expensive game in the world
besides casino games

Wait .. you depoed 500 ped, and you had 103 ped of armor decay out of it? And you are wondering why you have horrible losses? It is becuase you hunt way above your level. Your Evader level. Maximum decay to Gremlin from Atrox is 3.164 pec and Gremlin + 5B is 5.678 pec. Which translates to either 3255 or 1840 hits. And you got that in 90 minutes? Thats 20 hits minute or one hit every 3 seconds for the 5B case. Just how did you manage that?

 

[Joker]

Wait .. you depoed 500 ped, and you had 103 ped of armor decay out of it? And you are wondering why you have horrible losses? It is becuase you hunt way above your level. Your Evader level. Maximum decay to Gremlin from Atrox is 3.164 pec and Gremlin + 5B is 5.678 pec. Which translates to either 3255 or 1840 hits. And you got that in 90 minutes? Thats 20 hits minute or one hit every 3 seconds for the 5B case. Just how did you manage that?

ithica...
btw i dont really mind that... it is pretty minor compared to the sheer hunting losses... I am focused on those...
screw armour decay... focus on the hunting losses

you may say hunt a differnt mob for lower decay etc...

reason i hunt atrox is they are better then the others
levis... rex... ambu... aulri... kret (which have high decay)
i get 40-60% returns on atrox atleast...(dont know exact %s just that i started with XXX of peds and i end with 0 or so on card... which really means 0% returns... but it takes me a lot longer to burn through the peds with atrox then other mobs)
i get sub that on others

something soo bad atm with melee... and several other melee hunters have stepped up and confirmed they are experiencing the same... we are such a small group that it would be easy for balancing managers to over look us

like i said earlier i am not trying to shit on the game i want this game around for a long time... i have lots invested...

p.s.s.

it may sound like i am bitching... but i am not...


I am more worried about the game I love for the last MANY years...

I know i can not sustain 100-300$ losses each day... and i have the disposable income...

so if the world economies are as they portray them... i am assuming others wont have 100-300$ a day to lose...

which means many will be turned off to playing and we are introuble...

I have many assets in game... and skills

I am raising a stink because i want them to be worth something a year from now...