WARNING for all... BE OPTIMIST...

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After get exausted with some atitudes in this forum i just warning for all speculation about the economy of this EU...

Before post some bad speculation about this game in forum always remeber 2 things...

1. All of us have real money in this game ones more then others...

And the most important... A reply from a support say long time...

2.

"As for our plans for the future, please rest assured that we guarantee the TT value of the PED to all customers. In the unlikely case that MindArk would go bankrupt, the same rules that apply to all creditors in a bankruptcy situation under Swedish law would apply.

For further information regarding financial reports and investor relations, please go to www.mindark.com.

Hope you have a nice day!

Kind regards,


Leslie | Planet Calypso Support "

Now think everytime this game give a huge loot for someone in tt peds means the game still profitt allot this game gonna be here in the next decades for sure... :yay:

BE OPTIMIST
 
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Actually the problem is people are optimistic, they keep hoping for something better, some great hoof or system or whatever. When they don't get it they are disappointed.
If they where pessimists then they would expect the worst, when that doesn't happen they will be pleasantly surprised.
 
You have to have optimism. But with a good dose of realism and caution at all times. It`s good risk management. As for full optimism about EU I need a bit more than a guarantee of tt value. I could go on and name a bunch but I`m sure I don`t need to.

I think the best source of optimism is to be able to enjoy and support the universe. For each person this will mean a different thing. Just as their expectations of what entails it`s success is. But I would`nt base my optimism on how much I have invested in it.

With that said questions and criticism are good and productive. They point out issues that usually need a look. To feel they take away from your experience could indicate someone feeling their outlook is threatened or being effected by it. Perhaps they need a look at or a reassessment of their position. You will always have fans and detractors. You will always have people who never see a problem and people that like to tackle the problems despite positives seeking to better things. It takes all to create healthy atmosphere. To maintain balance. And in that balance too is MA and what they make EU to be. What experience the majority of players have.

Optimism does nothing when built on a shaky foundation. But a solid foundation will resist pessimism every time. For they are both just feelings. It is the actions that result from them that enact change.

:)
 
I've seen lots of major corporations operating "as usual" or at least what would appear to be operating "as usual" until the bank comes up and locks the doors.

Menace
 
After get exausted with some atitudes in this forum i just warning for all speculation about the economy of this EU...


Now think everytime this game give a huge loot for someone in tt peds means the game still profitt allot this game gonna be here in the next decades for sure... :yay:BE OPTIMIST

most of the casinos keep about 75% of money deposited, so this is absoultly true as long the money will be comming in, if things by any accident go wrong we got the TT value:yay::yay:
 
Optimism = Wasted Peds
Realism = Saved Peds
Pessimsism = Quit EU
 
2.

"As for our plans for the future, please rest assured that we guarantee the TT value of the PED to all customers. In the unlikely case that MindArk would go bankrupt, the same rules that apply to all creditors in a bankruptcy situation under Swedish law would apply.
For further information regarding financial reports and investor relations, please go to www.mindark.com.

Hope you have a nice day!

Kind regards,


Leslie | Planet Calypso Support "

BE OPTIMIST

Which means that in the event of a bankruptcy, there is NO GUARANTEE of the TT value of your peds. Don't be fooled by double talk.

If you end up getting anything back, it could very well be only a small percentage since all creditors get a little piece of the pie that is made available to creditors. And, this usually isn't much since companies that end in bankruptcy have already squandered things of value to stay afloat a bit longer.

Thorn said it right, optimism with a dose of realism.

Don't risk more than you can afford to lose, good lesson for life in general.


Both bankruptcy and reorganisation allow for an agreement to be reached with creditors under which only part of the debt is to be repaid. Such an agreement may be voluntary but can also be imposed by a court, in which case it is binding on all creditors (public composition).

http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/bankruptcy/bankruptcy_swe_en.htm
 
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Which means that in the event of a bankruptcy, there is NO GUARANTEE of the TT value of your peds. Don't be fooled by double talk.

If you end up getting anything back, it could very well be only a small percentage since all creditors get a little piece of the pie that is made available to creditors. And, this usually isn't much since companies that end in bankruptcy have already squandered things of value to stay afloat a bit longer.

Thorn said it right, optimism with a dose of realism.

Don't risk more than you can afford to lose, good lesson for life in general.

http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/bankruptcy/bankruptcy_swe_en.htm

If Swedish law works similar to the UK law, if a UK based company goes bankrupt, all remaining money within the comany first goes to pay any debt to the Taxman, then to the creditors second, if anything were left over after that customers would then have to fight over the remaining (if any) liquidated assets,

so basically, if MA does ever get into that state of financial trouble there will be no hope in hell of anyone getting their money back out, as generally companies that go bankrupt have little money left anyway. The only hope would be for someone to buy up EU and clear its debts for it.
 
Im getting exhausted of all the optimism around lately... -_- ,p
 
If Swedish law works similar to the UK law, if a UK based company goes bankrupt, all remaining money within the comany first goes to pay any debt to the Taxman, then to the creditors second, if anything were left over after that customers would then have to fight over the remaining (if any) liquidated assets,

so basically, if MA does ever get into that state of financial trouble there will be no hope in hell of anyone getting their money back out, as generally companies that go bankrupt have little money left anyway. The only hope would be for someone to buy up EU and clear its debts for it.

we'd be bottom of the pile of creditors.

Bare in mind even if it they pay out full tt value it doesn't include markup values. So for most deeds you'll get 1 pec.
 
Lol if folks are worried about MA's ability to pay back in a bankruptcy , maybe should look at the institutions they keep their real money in. I know in the usa the FDIC can actually only cover about 15% of savings , so the other 85% are gonna eat it in a financial meltdown. Life is risk, if the risk out weighs the benefit or profit recognized better bail on it.
 
I've only been playing a few months now but the second I begin to have a negative attitude about this game you will no longer see me on the forums or in game. Why stick around and ruin the mood for everyone that's trying to enjoy the game? You know there is other things to do in life..... I understand people have a lot of time or PED invested and you get frustrated if that PED amount starts to fall. You aren't required to pay to play but if you do you should know when you deposit you're taking a risk and if you lose it was your decision not anyone else's. I like this game a lot but the one thing that I don't get is how people bash it and then log into the game or even forums daily.... Either way good luck out there and I know not all of us are going to get HoFs today but at least try to have fun. ;)


-Nem
 
Urgent Warning - Do Not Panic!

Everything's gonna be fine!
 
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I've only been playing a few months now but the second I begin to have a negative attitude about this game you will no longer see me on the forums or in game. Why stick around and ruin the mood for everyone that's trying to enjoy the game? You know there is other things to do in life..... I understand people have a lot of time or PED invested and you get frustrated if that PED amount starts to fall. You aren't required to pay to play but if you do you should know when you deposit you're taking a risk and if you lose it was your decision not anyone else's. I like this game a lot but the one thing that I don't get is how people bash it and then log into the game or even forums daily.... Either way good luck out there and I know not all of us are going to get HoFs today but at least try to have fun. ;)


-Nem

It's ok to have a negative attitude (IMO) if there is a possibility the relevant person reading your post can change their mind. If it appears they cant or wont, sell all and GTFO is my attitude.

I've seen changes in the past (such as 1-100 ped auction fee, limited armor, regen mobs and so on) that I was sure would kill EU stone dead but they didn't!

So as we wait for the missing features and new unknown features to arrive , we have to adapt to survive. :)
 
Absolutely MJ :yay::yay:
 
Urgent Warning - Do Not Panic!

Everything's gonna be fine!

Well I say this philosophy, and this comes from a good friend of mine..

Expect nothing (But skills), and be surprised if you do get something (like Loot)

I think tha's the problem here.. A lot of folks (Like the OP stated) are really have high expectations of this game.. (Myself included)). The reality here is that a lot of folks think of this as sort of a lottery.. or a casino.. That is not really the case... It's more about the socialization of humanity (After all this is going to be the way of our future where we sit behind computers and interact with each other.

But there are a lot of pessimists in the world.. especially with gamers who want instant gratification... I think a former (and now deceased Jack Webb (From the old TV Series ' Dragnet') summed it up best with this:

"I don't know; maybe part of it's the fact that you're in a hurry. You've grown up on instant orange juice. Flip a dial (or in this case, klick a mouse, push a few buttons)--instant entertainment. Dial seven digits--instant communication. Turn a key--push a pedal-instant transportation. Flash a card--instant money. Shove in a problem--push a few buttons--instant answers.
"But some problems you can't get quick answers for, no matter how much you want them."

I think that's what the problem is.. but in this case" it's instant graification of money..

People tend to look at this game as a 'get rich quick scheme' to make hundreds or thousands of actual dollars just so taht they can enjoy life..

The fact is this: People want results fast.. they want to get things fast.. and in the end, it's that short coming that makes them fail. They're the ones who are pessimistic..

Then there are the realists.. They know what is going on around them.. They realize that you can't win them all. You can't make money instantly.. But they also know that how to invst wisely and to play smart.. Thos are the ones who do succeed eventually.. (I will admit this.. I'm not looking for millions of ped.. or even thousands.. I look at this game as an investment, both in time and money..)

Then there are the optimists.. Thouse who hpe that things will be okay.. They hope that people don't quit.. and that they are much like the realists. They hope that things will be okay.. and that they can capitalize on things..

But then they forget about realism, in a way. They don't realize that some of the pessimists, the ones that sell themselves short and eventually quit the game are potential investors. That these folks need a break too. That these folks aren't going to get rich quick but that they need to learn from the experience of others.. Yet they turn a blind eye to the little guy, and they tend to forget that even the little guy is important.. even if he's just starting out. But a lot of times the optimist turns a bit of a blind eye to the little guy and they like the pessimist eventually quit because to themselves, they're better than everyone else.

That's where the danger is. They hold out hope so that they can get rich quicker, and yet they turn their eye to potential investors who could make their lives a little more easier by not having to deposit more for each month..

Granted, some people will quit. Either out of the fact that they want instant gratification, or that they are bored with the game.. Some people have to quit, because they tend to step on the little guy, and don't realize they're really hurting themselves...all in the name of money..

Now then, I think that to be honest, we're all hurting this game in a way.. Some of u are undeercutting the market.. just to get rich quick.. Others are undercutting themselves.. by selling sweat for wanting into the game quickly..

It just doesn't work that way.. In the end.. the optimist squashes thepessimist and they both suffer.. But the realist knows how to adapt, to change and have backup plans.. in case the inevitable disaster happens.

I think that sums it up in a nutshell.. So I have to say this in this sentence..

"Get real.. learn to adapt.. Help the little guy, and above all be patient..Patience.. some people lack it, others don't Those who don't have patience.. well they fail.. Those who have the patience of Job, and who help others go far in this world, will eventually succeed.. and go far themselves.

Now if you'll excuse me.. I got people to help.

Benjamin Ben Coyote a.k.a "The Blind Sniper"
 
Be pessemist ll you want but dont flood the forum with it... It hurts mine and your investment!
Speak about it with your pet, the moon or your imaginary friend.
 
Hi,

I've only been playing a few months now but the second I begin to have a negative attitude about this game you will no longer see me on the forums or in game. Why stick around and ruin the mood for everyone that's trying to enjoy the game?
(This is not addressed at Nemrik explicitly now, I just used the quote to show an example)

You might know that there are quite some people that are in this game for many years now, and have payed serious sums for it meanwhile. Many have actually "invested" amounts of real money unbelievable for anybody not confident with EU.

These people have made it possible for PE to become EU, and for EU to survive until now. These people have made it possible that you, today, can play this game.

Imagine you'd be one of them:

You'd have spent hours and hours of your live playing this game, developing your avatar, making friends, contributing to the survival of this game you love(d).

You'd have spent insane amounts of money, a multiple more then needed to pay WoW-accounts for your whole friends and family for this time.

You'd have acquired lots of skills and gear, with much of it having a hefty markup at the time you bought it. It's worth a small car or more now.

Now this game takes a direction that you don't like, the number of participants steadily shrinks, the activities in the forums slowly approaches an all-time low, and the markup of your property goes down and down. You see your hopes dashed, and you begin to realize you might have wasted a lot of precious lifetime, and a lot of money.

What would you do now?


Would you pretend that the sun is shining, the birds are singing, all would be warm, nice and cushy? Denying the elephant in the room?
Whacking on all those that don't follow your 3 wise monkeys tactic, accusing them of negativity, whining and destructive behavior, offering tin foil hats to them, and umbrellas, in case the sky would fall?

Or would you check if you'd have some balls left, stand up, and fight for your beloved game where you have a serious financial interest? Pointing to mistakes, making suggestions for improvement, discussing the to-dos and not-to-dos? Keeping some pressure on the game developers to support your interests? Make your voice heard?

Up to you, you need to decide this for yourself.


What should be regarded:

It doesn't make much sense to discuss ad hominem. If Joe is accusing Jane of "a negative attitude about this game [that will] ruin the mood for everyone" Jane might react calling Joe a "FanBoi".
(Hypothetically, I don't do this! I just abused some of your words to clarify)

The overwhelming majority here should be people that love this game, and just hope it will further survive, and evolve, right? Why would be they be here else?
For sure it's unavoidable that a few, very few, trolls are crouching out from below their hiding rocks as soon as any discussion arises, and try to justify their pathetic existence doing their miserable work - but these are so few, are so well known to all, and are mostly ignored by any educated participant anyways. They come from both above mentioned sides, and we should be careful not to feed them.


Obviously I'm on one of the above mentioned sides. I have chosen to fight for the game that I love, for my "investments", and not to stand aside pretending there's no problem.

I understand that it might be confusing for a newbie to come here and read the many threads where problems are addressed, and complaints are filed. I understand that this might be repelling.

But wouldn't it be ways more repelling to paint a picture here of a perfect universe, ignoring any problems, and such actively lying to them?
Simulating a land of milk and honey, just to give them a harsh awakening when they realize the truth?


I hope to have been able to show a different view, and the reasons behind. And I hope to have been able to refrain from being too bad (there's a consistent danger ...). Should someone feel attacked, please re-read, it wasn't my intention. Maybe PM me - English isn't my native language so mistakes can happen.

We might have a different opinion - but we shouldn't shoot each other, OK? After all we have a common target, the success and the survival of EU, right?


Have fun!
 
a good way to see that peoples so called threats of not playing and the like is to keep an eye on auction.

Even after the sale of Medusa auction stayed right on pace as it always has. It actually bothers me that auction always has around the same stats and what those stats are for amount of items for sale and how much of them are selling.

What i do is goto auction and sort by bids.

1st thing you'll notice is everday there is always (on calypso) about 1100-1300 pages of items for sale.
2nd counting the pages of things with bids you will notice about 11-14% (12% most days) of those items have bids on them.

I wish MA and PP would make a goal to have 50% of stuff with bids. But i think that means reducing the amount of pages (by reducing that amount of different items you loot from ONE mob. so one person is auctioning 1-5 items not 10-30.
 
I think I was thoroughly misunderstood. First of all I have read a lot of these posts and realize 100% that some people have been mistreated to the extreme as far as their investments. I wasn't saying having a different opinion from the developers or even the majority is wrong at all. I was saying that if you have a different opinion then offer a solution so that something positive can come out of the situation. I can tell you 100% that people posting The Sky is Falling threads and posts is hurting this game. I am a newcomer yes but that does not mean I didn't plan on investing money in this game. Honestly I play a lot more then I should and I was going to make a very large deposit to buy land but after reading all of the negative comments on the forums by people that have been here for years I decided to wait. So how is this game going to grow if newcomers are debating the stability of their investment? Basically if you don't like something that's ok not everyone is going to agree but at least try to get some positive change or you're simply complaining. This is not directed at anyone in this forum it's honestly just meant to clear up my earlier post because I think it was misinterpreted.
 
I think I was thoroughly misunderstood. First of all I have read a lot of these posts and realize 100% that some people have been mistreated to the extreme as far as their investments. I wasn't saying having a different opinion from the developers or even the majority is wrong at all. I was saying that if you have a different opinion then offer a solution so that something positive can come out of the situation. I can tell you 100% that people posting The Sky is Falling threads and posts is hurting this game. I am a newcomer yes but that does not mean I didn't plan on investing money in this game. Honestly I play a lot more then I should and I was going to make a very large deposit to buy land but after reading all of the negative comments on the forums by people that have been here for years I decided to wait. So how is this game going to grow if newcomers are debating the stability of their investment? Basically if you don't like something that's ok not everyone is going to agree but at least try to get some positive change or you're simply complaining. This is not directed at anyone in this forum it's honestly just meant to clear up my earlier post because I think it was misinterpreted.

Don't worry too much, the worst thing that can happen is paying 150-200k peds for something and having it removed from the game for 590 days.
 
Optimism = Wasted Peds
Realism = Saved Peds
Pessimsism = Quit EU
I think we need to think realistic ingame, even SAAB got bankrupt so why not a MMO-company?
Spend the money you think you will be able to deposit and dont exceed that one!

If Swedish law works similar to the UK law, if a UK based company goes bankrupt, all remaining money within the comany first goes to pay any debt to the Taxman, then to the creditors second, if anything were left over after that customers would then have to fight over the remaining (if any) liquidated assets,

so basically, if MA does ever get into that state of financial trouble there will be no hope in hell of anyone getting their money back out, as generally companies that go bankrupt have little money left anyway. The only hope would be for someone to buy up EU and clear its debts for it.

Yes swedish law makes us the lowest ones in the legal form, because we do not have any legal papers that say that we own a % of MA/SEE/FPS so therefore we will have to struggle our brains off to be able to get the money we´ve invested and not even then we will be able to get a penny..
 
I was saying that if you have a different opinion then offer a solution so that something positive can come out of the situation.
Serveral, no many solutions have been offered by many in the community.

However, ultimately, the real solution is going to have to basically boil down to something like this:

The solutions is that Mindark and the Planet Partners need to focus on fixing the problems with the broken assets and systems ASAP (instead of focusing on the new junk like Medusa, Planet MJ, the Forts, etc.) or tell us that they won't fix them ever and offer some sort of a compensation or payment for the assets that they broke that they won't ever get around to fixing, as they did in the past with the personal revives, the shopkeeper giveaways to booth owners in 2008, etc.

If they don't offer any form of compensation or payment for the broken stuff that people paid for, they leave all trust in the entire platform and all planets on that platform completely gone... which is not good since they market the platform as being "safe"...

http://www.entropiaplatform.com/entropia-platform/security/
Both Planet Partners and the participants on the planets should always feel safe in their endeavors in Entropia Universe.

If the some of the posts I and others that have posted offended you, maybe were pessimistic, or drove away some n00bs from depositing, they are delivering the message that needs to be delivered.

Until they can fix the broken assets, and bring back the missing systems, NO PARTICIPANT SHOULD "FEEL SAFE" in their endeavors in Entropia Universe.

Until they fix the issues related to NDS, and clarify their stance on those issues, such as why Neverdie was allowed to hold the bank in Port Atlantis a year after signing a contract that said that he and his employees cannot continue to hold assets, why ND was allowed to continue to "participate" through doing a quest or two and doing some crafting in January after he made a public statement that he now knew that it was against his contract to do just that, and why Force, who some claim is an employee is still actively recruiting to a society that his avatar is in (some might say that the membership in a society is an asset in and of itself), and clarify their stance on issues such as if Deathifier will be allowed to continue to participate since he invested heavily in Arkadia, and if Planet Partners such as the folks that run Arkadia will be allowed to hold their assets a year after the planets go live as Neverdie did, and they get around to answering ALL of the Q&A session questions clearly and tranparently that have not been addressed yet (or that was glossed over with vague statments that really didn't answer anything), that sort of message still needs to be delivered.

Most of the pessimists you see are really optimists seeking clarification on a wide number of things which have never been clarified... some of which were asked about directly in the Q&A session but still have not been answered about yet... and may never be?!? If they aren't, trust continues to erode... and things will only get progressively worse in the future.
 
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Don't worry too much, the worst thing that can happen is paying 150-200k peds for something and having it removed from the game for 590 days.

What was that?
 
What was that?

Approximately 68 hangars although they range from price pre vu 10 from 80k for corinth hangars to 150k+ for others. Some even claim hangars were selling for over 200k.

If you average it to 115k per hangar, that's 7,820,000 MV that MA removed from the game and the players cannot even sell the deed because it does not exist ingame.
 
Wow I honestly didn't know there were that many hangers....
 
Never again people never again :) just dont put too much money in MU.
Play small and when shit happens , do panic.
Just like before the stockmarket crashes, all the big instutional investors will tell you nothing is wrong with the market, at the meantime they will cash out and small time player will loose money.
Of course when things are doing ok, they will try to scare you off L:)
 
mu isnt a guarantee. its the price people are willing to pay, thats all. real life investments dont always pan out , i dont see why that is a shocker here. im not saying it doesnt suck , just should be expected. im sure there are some investments here that have gained , like armors for instance.
 
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