What do you think about David Simmonds answers about EU being a gambling game?

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The rule to get to the tiny percentage gang of profiting is not to be stupid. That's it. Same goes for the casinos. An experienced dealer can go in a casino and win, because he or she will play by house's rules. In this game many come with made up rules and principles and suck dirt pretty quick. Stop comparing anything else to EU. Learn to play it and you can come pretty quick to the suitability plateau, where you can do much more...
Just don't be stupid. That's it.
Well since no one ever says what to do right... like ever no matter how many times it's ask.

Maybe you're the problem.

How about you give me an exact detail report on what i'm doing wrong and the step by step instructions on what to specifically do and we'll go from there.

Otherwise all you're saying is, "Fuck you. Leave my money alone".
 

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Well since no one ever says what to do right... like ever no matter how many times it's ask.

Maybe you're the problem.

How about you give me an exact detail report on what i'm doing wrong and the step by step instructions on what to specifically do and we'll go from there.

Otherwise all you're saying is, "Fuck you. Leave my money alone".
How about you find one friend of yours ingame, that does well and ask them what you are doing wrong? Asking on the forums how step-by-step how to make money in a game where there's competition on that is not going to take you anywhere.
First newbie tutorials tell you to follow the markup. Do that instead of Atrox.
 

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I would love to see the olympic event where all the gold medals are determined on who gets the most points in a slot tournament
It's funny to see the difference between how the perceived "losers" and the perceived "winners" in loot 2.0 formulate their thoughts on the "system". Or perhaps, how the complainers vs the proponents speak.

It seems to me that most of the people complaining about the system seem to view the slot-machine-aspect as the main attraction, whereas the proponents (supposedly people who likely are doing better than the complainers, in one way or another) seem to not even bother thinking about the slot-machine-aspect at all (other than for bankroll management purposes). Perhaps this is some food for thought?

The system is what it is, do with it as you please. Don't try to dissuade others from playing the game just because you are unable to make it work in a way that's enjoyable for you. Either learn, adapt and enjoy, or do something else with your time and money that gets you more enjoyment, is my suggestion.

Well since no one ever says what to do right... like ever no matter how many times it's ask.
How about you give me an exact detail report on what i'm doing wrong and the step by step instructions on what to specifically do and we'll go from there.
Otherwise all you're saying is, "Fuck you. Leave my money alone".
How to play this game for cheap, for free, or even for profit has been stated many many times, in different ways all over the forums.
Either way, I don't see how it's Eveys, or anyone elses duty to do your research for you, or give you for free, what has taken time and/or money to figure out.
 

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I suspect a small part of the community EU as well as David Simmonds to be part of the flat earth society
 

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To answer the title question: I have a funny feeling there might be trouble ahead, for him and for the rest if his utterings draw the wrong kind of attention. I mean, we can argue about this until the cows come home, but if someone in the leadership itself says it's gambling...
 
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How about you find one friend of yours ingame, that does well and ask them what you are doing wrong? Asking on the forums how step-by-step how to make money in a game where there's competition on that is not going to take you anywhere.
First newbie tutorials tell you to follow the markup. Do that instead of Atrox.
And there in lies the problem.

Constantly referring to common generic knowledge based on strawman understanding.
The unmitigated gull of not only complaining that someone complains about a system you keep hidden because as I said, (fuck you, stay away from my money) but somehow feels they're in the right.

Just like the people who knew about the loot waves pre 2.0 and kept it to themselves, knowing they were screwing everyone else in the long run instead of actual competition.

I can see on be on these forums for quite a long time. :)
 

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It's funny to see the difference between how the perceived "losers" and the perceived "winners" in loot 2.0 formulate their thoughts on the "system". Or perhaps, how the complainers vs the proponents speak.

It seems to me that most of the people complaining about the system seem to view the slot-machine-aspect as the main attraction, whereas the proponents (supposedly people who likely are doing better than the complainers, in one way or another) seem to not even bother thinking about the slot-machine-aspect at all (other than for bankroll management purposes). Perhaps this is some food for thought?

The system is what it is, do with it as you please. Don't try to dissuade others from playing the game just because you are unable to make it work in a way that's enjoyable for you. Either learn, adapt and enjoy, or do something else with your time and money that gets you more enjoyment, is my suggestion.



How to play this game for cheap, for free, or even for profit has been stated many many times, in different ways all over the forums.
Either way, I don't see how it's Eveys, or anyone elses duty to do your research for you, or give you for free, what has taken time and/or money to figure out.
Because distribution of wealth means more spending power, more money, more products, more services?

Or do you enjoy our current economy of hemorrhaging scarcity that will eventually lead to a total collapse without some kind of correction or revolt or bankruptcy?

So yeah I will dissuade others because the less money for the elite parasites and MA and more to the unwashed masses is so much better for everyone.
 
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I would love to see the olympic event where all the gold medals are determined on who gets the most points in a slot tournament :p

Look the only "knowledge" most people had was knowing that the game ran on a wave algorithm and boosted bps that have finally been disclosed. Basically just gaming the system. Props to them for shaking down MA.

Oh and the traders who don't really play so much as have enough option in their stock portfolio.

Come on man, if you seriously came to this game first and foremost for any other reason than to make money, you are a shit-eating grin LIAR!
How can you people still type those excuses with a straight face like your paragons of moral righteousness?

And with so many other better cheaper, including free, far vastly superior to MA in every way.... I just can't stand see indoctrination like that you know. I hope for your sake you're not sugar coating stuff like this to every newbie. They deserve the full story, not some idealist fantasy that let's face it, only comes true for a TINY percentage of elite and no one else.
Your welcome to have your own believes ,but when you start talking down to others because you perceive them to have accomplished more then you as having to be more 'greedy' then you then all you achieve is reducing your options/chances to improve/advance in entropia/life. You will find that if you generalize less and accuse less, but instead learn more and try to understand how others 'achieved' instead of just 'downplaying' it in your mind - you will be more successfull at whichever goals you set for yourself.

Dont begrudge those who are happy.

You truely want to help new players ? Make them understand to play on their 'happy-lvl', to set their goals right, to understand that an uplifting ingame economy lifts everyone - such an economy just like in the real world comes from a postive aproach to life, from seeking opportunities and generating opportunities for others - growth is a big factor in creating a positive environment. Most older players just know the ingame 'recession' they have been living through for years, but even a recession creates opportunities. Teach enough people to see opportunity and you will create an environment full of opportunities.
 

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Because distribution of wealth means more spending power, more money, more products, more services?

Or do you enjoy our current economy of hemorrhaging scarcity that will eventually lead to a total collapse without some kind of correction or revolt or bankruptcy?

So yeah I will dissuade others because the less money for the elite parasites and MA and more to the unwashed masses is so much better for everyone.

........and there it is ladies and gentlemen. Timewarpman1 doesn't like Entropia because muh Capitalism bad. :LOL:

Let me ask you something Timewarpman1. What have you contributed to this community? From your previous post you haven't spent much. You don't invest. You don't put effort into learning how to make the game work for you. You don't even offer constructive ideas or opinions. So what exactly are you after? Handouts?

This game is not for you. Try something else.
 

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Your welcome to have your own believes ,but when you start talking down to others because you perceive them to have accomplished more then you as having to be more 'greedy' then you then all you achieve is reducing your options/chances to improve/advance in entropia/life. You will find that if you generalize less and accuse less, but instead learn more and try to understand how others 'achieved' instead of just 'downplaying' it in your mind - you will be more successfull at whichever goals you set for yourself.

Dont begrudge those who are happy.

You truely want to help new players ? Make them understand to play on their 'happy-lvl', to set their goals right, to understand that an uplifting ingame economy lifts everyone - such an economy just like in the real world comes from a postive aproach to life, from seeking opportunities and generating opportunities for others - growth is a big factor in creating a positive environment. Most older players just know the ingame 'recession' they have been living through for years, but even a recession creates opportunities. Teach enough people to see opportunity and you will create an environment full of opportunities.
Uhhh noo... such an economy comes from the regulation of commerce by government and third party watch dogs. Otherwise you'd have monopolies that had to be busted up by said regulators. And MA doesn't have stringent oversight like in the US were something like this wouldn't have made it past day 1. I don't begrudge the happy because there's nothing envious of their positions. I only wish to warn the unwary that are lured by psychopaths like you.
 

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a system you keep hidden because as I said, (fuck you, stay away from my money) but somehow feels they're in the right.
So you switched from "you are addicts, stop playing" to "you keep information from me so I can't make money too".
No dude, you will hate the answer anyway. The basic principles are: improve your skills (because guess what, skills DO matter) and gear and chase the MU. That's is.
 

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........and there it is ladies and gentlemen. Timewarpman1 doesn't like Entropia because muh Capitalism bad. :LOL:

Let me ask you something Timewarpman1. What have you contributed to this community? From your previous post you haven't spent much. You don't invest. You don't put effort into learning how to make the game work for you. You don't even offer constructive ideas or opinions. So what exactly are you after? Handouts?

This game is not for you. Try something else.
My contribution? An opinion. And honestly it's just as valid as anyone else's.
I have learned what makes the game work for me, and that either includes more money than I will see in a lifetime or investing in pennies until I die of old age.

Oh and I like Capitalism, the US kind. Not this weird frankenstein'd Swedish one. Far less acceptable regulation. Needs more taxes for sure and maybe actual businesses.
 

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So you switched from "you are addicts, stop playing" to "you keep information from me so I can't make money too".
No dude, you will hate the answer anyway. The basic principles are: improve your skills (because guess what, skills DO matter) and gear and chase the MU. That's is.
I.E. Just be rich already :p
Also you are addicts :p
 

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To the OP: EU is a "gambling game" only if you are a gambler and have no idea how to play this game.
I will explain it in a second way. This is a virtual world. It has the same people from the real world. In the real world there are responsible and non-responsible people. There are smart and unintelligent people. There are gamblers and poker players, but there are also people who build and work on their own destiny based on their skills and knowledge. There are few people who get rich and a lot others who cannot. Unfortunately, the people with the most desirable qualities are few. Pareto already taught us that there are 20% of people from above successful to a greater or lesser degree, and that there are 80% of people from below who base their actions on mediocrity. That is the real world. And in our virtual world it is the same.
 

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I will explain it in a second way. This is a virtual world. It has the same people from the real world. In the real world there are responsible and non-responsible people. There are smart and unintelligent people. There are gamblers and poker players, but there are also people who build and work on their own destiny based on their skills and knowledge. There are few people who get rich and a lot others who cannot. Unfortunately, the people with the most desirable qualities are few. Pareto already taught us that there are 20% of people from above successful to a greater or lesser degree, and that there are 80% of people from below who base their actions on mediocrity. That is the real world. And in our virtual world it is the same.
Ahh but don't forget circumstances. They tend to skew those percentages a lot. How many geniuses died simply being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. "The most richest places in the world are graveyards". - Some smart dude.
 

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Ahh but don't forget circumstances. They tend to skew those percentages a lot. How many geniuses died simply being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. "The most richest places in the world are graveyards". - Some smart dude.
That is another issue. But no one would like to know that the culprits of this are their own parents, their grandparents and their ancestors. If that is the case, your option is only hard work to build responsibly for your children future. Thinking otherwise will lead you to fall wrongly into envy and wrong leftist "ideas". (Some smart dude :D)

Fortunately, in that sense the EU allows you to get ahead even without money, if you are worthy enough of it. (In RL many countries also allow it because they have free public schools and universities! - Paid with the taxes of those who worked ).

- But believe me Pareto is right. !!! 20-80 works very similar to the constancy of light speed in space :D !!!
 
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EU can be played many different ways. There are some players that play EU like a casino (
Well since no one ever says what to do right... like ever no matter how many times it's ask.

Maybe you're the problem.

How about you give me an exact detail report on what i'm doing wrong and the step by step instructions on what to specifically do and we'll go from there.

Otherwise all you're saying is, "Fuck you. Leave my money alone".
"What to do right" is going to be what you decide is right.

Is that making PED? Is that joining a soc and going on team hunts? Is that Gearing up for PVP and one day hoping to get into a Land Grab Soc? Is that trading at Twin Peaks or the auction house? Is that finding high MU% ores and enmat spots and capitalizing on their respawns? Is that investing into CP Shares or CLDs and making some passive income? Is it sweating and fruit walking and avoiding the deposit so you can prove to yourself you can "make it" in EU for free? Is that owning a Privateer or Mothership and offering a taxi service? Is it focusing on shared loot mobs at all the different shared loot spawns? Is that building your avatars skills and HP to be able to compete in Mayhems and other player made events for awesome prizes? Is that owning a Land Area in the game? Is that becoming a Twitch streamer, a YouTuber for the game, or some other type of commentary... We even have ex players who spend all their time running tabloid forums obsessed over the current players and avatars still in the game. For them, for you, for anyone, you need to figure out what you want Entropia to be for you.

This game isn't meant to be played one way. The "right way" is going to be something you figure out as you play.

When you figure that out, look for the top players in those areas of the game and approach them with kindness and curiosity. Not all will share, maybe even none of them will if you approach them with how you've approached the players here. But some will.

I've gleaned more useful information about EU inside the game, having private chats with my friends than I ever got from watching some video or reading some post on here. I also have had a lot of valuable lessons learned from my own experience. I've mined, hunted, crafted, traded, invested, and for me I love the sandbox feel of this game. Sure, I have my own biases as a Land Owner. Of course I want to see EU continue to do well, why wouldn't I? But, I've always been positive about the game since day one. I've enjoyed the challenge of learning the "ins" and "outs" of each of the professions. I've always been up for a challenge, in life, and in here, EU is no different.

On the flipside, you're going to run into ex-players and players that have failed to play the game in a way that allowed them to continue playing. They're going to be biased and toxic and use hasty generalizations. They'll paint the game as a big "casino" where only "luck" matters. They'll tell you that MA has favorites and their avatar is "cursed". They'll tell you that no matter what they did they lost PED, it didn't matter. They'll be quick to play the victim, and denounce others success. There are people like this in life, as well. You meet them every day. They blame all of their problems on their circumstances and surroundings. Don't let them get you down.

Hear out both sides, don't just discount one from the start. Make your own judgments. You can learn things from a salty "ex-player", and you can learn things from MindArk "fanboy". The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

I'm not saying EU is perfect, far from it. This game has plenty of issues, and in my opinion the devs don't take full advantage of its potential. We've had lots of broken promises and features never brought to life. Anyone saying the opposite is flat out lying. Rather than focus on the negative, I focus on the positive. I've seen the new MA team put more patches, small fixes, implement features and listen to the community more than any other team has in 10+ years. I like the direction the game is headed, and I'd rather "build" than "destroy" with my efforts and words.

This game is different now in 2020 than it was when I started in 2010, and knowing that I have to stay on my toes and adapt with it, is something else that continues to keep my interest.

The servers cost money, the upkeep and payroll costs money, so there's bound to be rules in place that keep MindArk from losing. Sort of the "duh" observation, but it needs to be stated nonetheless. MindArk has to win. I want MindArk to win, if they don't they whole game goes down. This is the same for any other game company or company at all for that matter. Instead of getting angry at this setup, realize that there are small advantages in the game to be discovered. Realize that there are many people content spending $ for pure enjoyment. Not everyone's goal is to make PED playing the game, many people log in to relax and enjoy some activity with their friends. A lot of people treat EU like a monthly subscription to any other MMO, they deposit $20 or $40 a month, and they get hours and hours of enjoyment out of it. I see nothing inherently wrong with this.


In regards to the thread title:

I think what Simmonds said was fine. He's correct, EU isn't a gambling game. EU is a skill based game. I know he's right because I've seen it with my own eyes and my own numbers. I've kept my own spreadsheets and tracked returns, and yes skills do play a MAJOR role in returns. There's a direct correlation to higher skills and higher tt % return, the game creators haven't hidden this from you :D it's literally called a "Looter Profession". They've also told you it has an impact on your returns, and they're not kidding.

Is it possible to participate in some aspects of EU that are similar to a "casino" and try and gamble? Yes, I think EP IV is pretty good evidence of players going for that big ATH. But EP IV is not EU. EP IV is one activity inside the game, and the vast majority of the players playing the game don't even touch the blueprint. This game is deep, and there's so many different ways to play it. If you come in here trying to play EU like a gambling game just crafting EP IV, chances are you're going to leave pretty unhappy with your results.

Figure out what you want EU to be for you, and then realize that you'll likely have to put in a good amount of effort learning all of its nuances, because there are many. The rabbit hole goes deep...

GL
 

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Anybody who says or think that EU does NOT have gambling elements or that, at its very simplest, cannot be played as a gambling game outright is either being intellectually dishonest or actually deluding themselves. :rolleyes:

However, I do truly believe that, in the end, it is still a skill-based game with gambling elements. Forget about your avatar's skills- those are just numbers in a paper sheet that only improve your chances of success at a given thing by a tiny percentage or merely unlock higher stakes. Social and economic skills matter a whole lot more: knowing the right people, doing the right thing at the right moment, winning against other people (or providing useful services if you don't like the adversarial tone) as you shouldn't try to win against "the house" (as with a casino, the house always wins) is how you get an edge in here that would be impossible were EU be 100% gambling.

I understand Simmonds' clear discomfort (Even if I was very much amused about it- it was about time someone gave him some tough questions) in outright admitting EU is gambling, or that it even has gambling elements, due to the fuzzy interpretation of the laws and regulations which EU's existence depend upon. It is how it is.
 

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I don't see this reply on YouTube. Does anyone else see it?

I don't see MsPuddings response either.

It looks like "free and open discussion" is not something this pseudo-journalist believes in. Lol. :LOL:
 

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I would love to know who/where he had gotten his "bottom feeder and uber" perspectives and interviews from.

Depending on the 'source' we will never know if he received his information from an absolute crap player or a new player who just doesn't understand the game and keeps plunking quarters in the game with very little show for it and has a nasty idea of the game.

I think the video was an overall generalization and aside from the hosts seemingly bias undertone of it, did well with the % and such.

He would have done well with a huge sample of diversified player and different skill sets/years/investors and asking "Why do you play Entropia Universe at such losing percentages?" as he shows stats. I feel he would have received many different answers and outcomes across the board.

Ok, that was my take.

Excuse me, while I go to the front of the market and plunk my quarters and gamble on that Claw game and see if I have the skill to get a fuzzy, stuffed animal on a few tries.
 
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And one other thing.. Does he actually answer the question he poses as the title of the video?

Can you really get rich in the world's only "cash-based" MMO?
 

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Using your narrative only mathematics and other exact sciences qualify but I want to believe not everytime,
You have a few misconceptions.

1. gambling is not necessarily stupid
2. gambling is not necessarily a loss
3. bankroll management is exactly a gambling strategy, not a business one
4. talking about business, every serious entrepreneur and even people without business interests will use insurances, for risk management
5. gambling is not at all a matter of chaos, but of very solid statistics, both for the player (nomatter how informed one might be) and for the house

Fundamentally, I would say is a matter of own personal beliefs and mythology, even with religious implications via notions perpetuated in society.

Regarding the game, in my opinion, is down to a definition of choice and limits of choice within a medium controlled by others. MindArk as devs and the game as a medium place too much burden on the player, particularly in making the distinction between controllable recurrent elements and inpredictible ones. This is then mirrored in an important design decision, that is how do you ensure fun in what is otherwise a boring repetitive grindfest. Also the medium lacks some important tools from IRL in order to insure a working economy, such as inflation, finite character of resources and pressure vents, among others, so it cannot be 100% skill and investment based.

Looking at all these, for me is obvious that gambling is a necessary choice in terms of design. You cannot seriously say that an element such as HoF table is not an element which encourages gambling, let's not be ridiculous. That an educated experienced player will get over the impact of one HoF in its financial state, absolutely true, but exactly the same thing can be stated about jackpots. And then again, ignoring HoFs from the financial point of view is exactly an adversary position, a counterstrategy, whereas the medium as is promotes HoFs and the quest for "untold riches".

Where is the line for the medium's and the community's legitimate need for fun? And where is the line for the moral (and, hopefully, legal) obligation of MindArk to do their best in countering gambling addictions (where they do precisely jacksh*t)? Just to give an example of what I mean. In our native Romania, at slotmachines you can play an unlimited amount of money, provided that you have them. In Germany, there are software and hardware limitations, to the amount of, iirc, 20 eur at once, which are delivered in the form of two eur as initial play credit and then 10 cents each, can't remember, 20 seconds or something like this. Between the two, only the latter has some effort put in discouraging gambling adictions and promoting lowball gambling strictly for fun. Not necessarly 100% efficient, but much better than none.

Given the possible financial cost of clicking EP4 on condition (and there are bps out there much more expensive), and given the huge influence of thrill/compensation mechanisms in addictions, MindArk has a moral (and I repeat, I hope one day that also a legal) obligation of, one way or another, limit the cycling capacity of one avatar or, maybe, the possibility of losses. And I cannot view how this point can be morally countered.

How this should be implemented? Sorry if I sound like an asshole, but MindArk PE AB or whatever is called nowadays is literally not my business, I am not a shareholder, it's their duty, not mine.
 

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1. gambling is not necessarily stupid
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2. gambling is not necessarily a loss
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3. bankroll management is exactly a gambling strategy, not a business one
Id say its the opposite.Larger bankroll lets your play without pressure like in a Poker game game you have AA preflop and you go all in.If you went all in with all your money you might lose to a 27 offsuit but if you keep doing the same all in situation with 200 buy-ins you will end up as winner in more than 65% of the cases (I've approximated by the eye don't quote me here), you get the point.If you know your decision favors you and the bankroll is present what might look to you as a risk looks to me as a very long term 100% win condition.I have the same feeling when playing Entropia Universe and I would add even more secure feeling because I am not playing against the house here.
I said that before and I say this now : I tried to be a poker grinder playing 8 tables at once for 16 hours a day with bankroll management and a scheme of play based on statistics and after 3 months I failed.I have applied the same thing for entropia using same techniques of course I added real life elements and ingame mechanisms and I never lost after I reached a certain point and I have put my money where my mouth is.Where in poker you wait for the system to deal you cards and you are at their will, here you buy items where they decide your outcome.The outcome is not decided by the house, they are just the dealer.I play wit my tools vs other players with their tools, Mindark just acknowledge our input and release our money.Sure might look complicated to many but you can argue a lot about it.


You cannot seriously say that an element such as HoF table is not an element which encourages gambling, let's not be ridiculous
When you are in your first 2 weeks you might be right HOF might appear to you a hooking mechanism but again ask the question : Is it designed to be that way or is that my perception? . The way I understand how the game works for me HOF or ATH doesn't impress me and I make it clear and I said it many times : I don't want to get ATH.I have a different view on what a global or a HOF is but that's my educated perception because I see the game in a completely different way than most players does.
n our native Romania, at slotmachines you can play an unlimited amount of money, provided that you have them. In Germany, there are software and hardware limitations, to the amount of, iirc, 20 eur at once, which are delivered in the form of two eur as initial play credit and then 10 cents each, can't remember, 20 seconds or something like this. Between the two, only the latter has some effort put in discouraging gambling adictions and promoting lowball gambling strictly for fun. Not necessarly 100% efficient, but much better than none.
Ok but here the rules are clear : We are talking about casinos.So there is no debate about it.The question here comes about in terms of moral : Is Romania willing to fuck their slot machine customers : YES.IS Germany doing anything to protect gamblers in casino : YES.The most that I can get out of this is that Mindark should do something to diminish elements that might attract gamblers to do they stupid thing but I believe that's too much to ask here and its a lot to discuss and we are going into another realm of discussions.
 

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Actually it does. Because those who like the game perpetuate these idealized fantasies that are merely veil constructs of the true nature of the beast. Not everything is sunshine and lollipops.

And why do I need a reference over an opinion? Or in fact on for something like common knowledge?
Do things like probability and addiction not exist in your vocabulary?
the only issue i see is that common knowledge is quite frequently superstitions... you can call this gambling, but if you really want to gamble, why not just go open loot boxes on steam, thats real gambling. here you get 1 for 1 on every box, steam, you might get .04 for 1.... odd part is you dont hear anyone crying about the payouts of steam loot crates lol
 

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You have a few misconceptions.
3. bankroll management is exactly a gambling strategy, not a business one
Bankroll is a business strategy... if you dont stay in the black in business its kind of like gameover, time to go bankrupt. Although usually they will use other terms and thats going to depend on the type of business you are in. The terms overhead, liquid assets, and inventory come to mind... but yes there is many more.
 

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You can gamble in EU, but it's never going to be a real casino or real gamgling, because they have team of people toying around with returns. If you are doing great, they will tune it down, if you loosing a lot, they will throw in some hofs.
No they don't throw in a hof. Some get lucky and hof often, some never do. Big numbers of loot events will even things out for those chained to the computer 10h per day and also have 100k to spare. 95% of player base have a life outside EU, limited budget and must rely on luck. Just like in a casino. Without this vast gambling player base, the top 50 grinders wouldn't have anyone to leech MU from.
 
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95% of player base have a life outside EU and must rely on luck
So what stops you to rely on game mechanics that will increase your chance to get an even payout faster since you are too busy living your life? Why does your option has to rely on whats easier.Again people confuse design with their interpretation of things.
 

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After some many years, finally someone did this interview.
Because EU is in top 10 game chart?
I respect and appreciate on how he did it. Straight to the point with a realistic mind.

However, on the point of EU is a game of chance. Nothing close to that at all.
He should try to play EU with depo. Then, he will realised that depo into the casino will have so much more higher chance.
LOL
 
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