What do you think about David Simmonds answers about EU being a gambling game?

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What is funny is the game overall is not legally considered gambling (apparently) however the strongboxes were blocked for Swedish players. With the strongboxes you are guaranteed to get 100% tt value in return so it is absolutely not gambling. Doesn't make sense.
 

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What is funny is the game overall is not legally considered gambling (apparently) however the strongboxes were blocked for Swedish players. With the strongboxes you are guaranteed to get 100% tt value in return so it is absolutely not gambling. Doesn't make sense.
They might have target the fact that when you open boxes you get addicted by the fact that you might chase that ring more than you would afford even though you get always 100% return.
 

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What is funny is the game overall is not legally considered gambling (apparently) however the strongboxes were blocked for Swedish players. With the strongboxes you are guaranteed to get 100% tt value in return so it is absolutely not gambling. Doesn't make sense.

These two articles may shed a little light on what is going on (and why MA act as they do):

Loot Boxes: What’s all the fuss about?
The Swedish Consumer Agency publishes report on loot boxes and other gambling-like features in games


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I apologize for repeating myself, but what concerned me about the interview is not so much his answers about EU being a gambling game or not, but the entire style of the interview, or rather his answers. Nothing concrete, super dodgy, sounded more like excuses than explanations. This interview got me VERY worried about the general state of affairs of this project and the people who run it.
 

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I know, I wanted to specifically ask the community about EU being gambling game part of the video. Are David's aswers are convincing enough to make you think EU is actually a non gambling skill based game or not.
Why not just start a poll?
 

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reading through the replies gives a big impression of EU preying on weak minded gambling addicts as most of the guys defending the gambling in this game sound EXACTLY like every standard slot addict.
"this is not gambling when you know what you are doing"
"its not gambling when you win!"

and then there is the excuse of it not being the games fault for luring people in to mortgage their house. thats exactly what gambling does. its basically the very definition of it.
there are ways to play this game in a non gambling way. yet id estimate at least 95% of the playerbase dont go that way. the same with roulette "pros". there are some who win cos they know how to trick the system. they get thrown out after time cos they "steal" from the casino. here they "steal" from other players which is why MA lets it pass. but in the end, most roulette players arent pros and are losing their ass off. same with EU.

tip: first step is to admit that you have a problem.
 

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...To me it is not gambling if you have no chance of losing monetary value, which with keys and classified strongboxes at least, is the case.
You have to cycle that value though, you can't simply withdraw it again. It thus goes through the machine of either hunting or mining and there you have your long-term payout stats, at least as far as tt (pre-mu) is concerned.

Biggest lol in a while, however, goes to the statement by GxB that roulette "pros" know how to trick the system. Maybe I should just quote back part of the same post: - EXACTLY like every standard slot addict. "this is not gambling when you know what you are doing" Which of the statements is wrong?! Ahh...
 

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You have to cycle that value though, you can't simply withdraw it again. It thus goes through the machine of either hunting or mining and there you have your long-term payout stats, at least as far as tt (pre-mu) is concerned.
But that is gameplay, not box opening, and the gameplay has also been determined to not legally be gambling. But the box opening itself with no markup classified strongboxes is zero loss.
 

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Mr. David Simmonds clearly does not know how to lie.
 

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Inadequate definitions of gambling imo. To me it is not gambling if you have no chance of losing monetary value, which with keys and classified strongboxes at least, is the case.

I do not defend this... was just trying to provide some insight into the matter. Anyway, you have to go by the rules, as is repeatedly mentioned in the vid. As it is atm, without proper licence you might within Swedish jurisdiction even get in trouble, when someone sells something out of a lootbox you issued e.g. through Ebay––forbidden or not, having actual value or not. Nothing you could do to really control this. So, play it safe. :dunno:

It is unfortunate. On the other hand, the jury is still out. :wise:
 
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You have to cycle that value though, you can't simply withdraw it again. It thus goes through the machine of either hunting or mining and there you have your long-term payout stats, at least as far as tt (pre-mu) is concerned.

Biggest lol in a while, however, goes to the statement by GxB that roulette "pros" know how to trick the system. Maybe I should just quote back part of the same post: - EXACTLY like every standard slot addict. "this is not gambling when you know what you are doing" Which of the statements is wrong?! Ahh...
not sure what you wanne say with this. do you doubt that there are roulette pros? cos thats a fact and you dont need to believe it to be true.

edit: maybe you dont know it because it seems to be a german strategy. anyway here is an article in german (google translate might help) https://www.casinospielen.de/kesselgucken
 

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I think David answered well, everything has risk and as long as MA are within the laws that govern them to not be gambling then it isn't by default.
 

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edit: maybe you dont know it because it seems to be a german strategy.
Hiya, thanks for the link. Actually I do know about this art - and there is even a special type of roulette that can be found where the house openly challenges such players. They have an impregnated cloth with which they can wipe the surface of the wheel and affect the slowing down of the ball, spin techniques are used when setting the ball off, and the ball itself is sometimes swapped out for another one.
Maybe it turns out that none of your post was wrong as such, but it does then become necessary to differentiate more between pros and "standard slot addicts." It begs the question: when is gambling actually not gambling, and vice versa?

I apologise for my tone, of course; it was ill-judged. More generally, I also accept that some players here also use advanced techniques, but usually it is not the bank that is targetted, but generating a profit from other players' "choices". Some gambling systems with announced payout percentages can also be targetted in this way, to varying degrees of success ;)
 
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Hi. Somebodie mentioned a poll

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Nothing more. I call in Messi to anylese :)
 
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