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What if ul items adj,imp,mod drops mu below 50%? Is mindark affected? And who agree on droping the m..u and why?
 
It depends really. If the uber items MU gets halved, more players are able to depo in for those gears. But this would create a higher demand. MU will rise back. :scratch2::scratch2:
 
I think we would just see more sky-is-falling threads. People's reaction to those might affect MA.
 
While we use to say that MU is players' thing and not MA's, MA surely would be affected by a 100k drop in MU since it's 10k$ that someone won't deposit to buy the item.

And while generally MU drop may increase demand, for high value stuff there's another factor comes into play. Say, a modfap costs 200k but you have only 100k. Suddenly MU drops by half and you can afford it, but seeing such devaluation are you ready for the investment? :)
 
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What if ul items adj,imp,mod drops mu below 50%? Is mindark affected? And who agree on droping the m..u and why?
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Do some research.. some of them allready dropped to 50%of what they once where
AFAIK adj fap used to sell for 40k, now they go for 18-19k for ex.
 
edwinpogi said:
What if ul items adj,imp,mod drops mu below 50%? Is mindark affected? And who agree on droping the m..u and why?
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I would be ok with it
 
lol what a question, let me rephrase it a bit. "what if today arrived?"
modfap was once 350k
imk2 150k
etc.
simple answer, live with it.

edwinpogi said:
What if ul items adj,imp,mod drops mu below 50%? Is mindark affected? And who agree on droping the m..u and why?
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edwinpogi said:
What if ul items adj,imp,mod drops mu below 50%? Is mindark affected? And who agree on droping the m..u and why?
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Let me guess: you want to buy nice toys and would like to buy them cheaper??

Ask your question yourself again AFTER you buy something worth at least 10k PED.
Would you agree then to drop 50% of its value so others can buy cheaper??

Every generation of newbies there are people like you.

As others said already, prices dropped considerably in recent years.
 
MA do strange things all the time.
Trust is less and belivers started to think too..

They decided that they dont need decay from scaning and price of best scaner went from 15k to 1k.

They decided to fuck mindforce with VU10 ( changing stats on chips, unability to use them ) and prices went drasticaly down for attack chips and wormhole.
Also decided that resutrection is no needed almost anywhere in EU by implementing revivals even in beacons and chip went from 40k to 5k.

They decided that it will be fun to fuck anyone who skilled paramedic to high lvls by droping warious mayhem faps, mod hedocs ect.
And prices of faps went down, prices of paramedic skills went down too - you dont need to be lvl 120 to max zicon and pay skilling with amount of monney you cud buy a lot of mod faps.
So crafters lost bussines on high lvl faps, hunters and miners lost bussines too - nobody need those resources for top L faps, MA lost a lot of decay from paramedic skillers...

And why?
Because every shity mod hedoc wich perform way better than top L faps, need only 30 lvl of paramedic and you get it almost for free if we compare expenses needed to lvl up to be able to use zicon ( start at 107 and to max need a lot blody lvls) with similar or worse performance.

They decided that customers no need to trust in MA any more.

Ewery item can be changed, nerfed or made les useable (ofc fixed), or made common by masive drop rain in loot so why to invest ? ( youst wait your occasion on some planet where minig massive amount of sweat was possible, lotinng mentor edition items or rare scaners wich crtafting was removed almost 10 years a go was normal - maybe mod mercs or similar start to rain in loot drop , just patience.

I was almost a year without my primary weapon and tools after VU 10 - you cudnt use chips.
Tomorow that can happen to guns like MM, imk2 or mod faps who know - thanks to MA for trust, consistence ect ..

They seem dont addvertise EU much, so no new players - no new demand, no buyers.

Oh last thing - i bought small fap L from Toluan because it had 59 reload.
When i looked my storage after few days i had surprise.
Some kind of scam - is not there that 59 reload fap any more but similar looking with shity performance.
Yea it looked to good to be true, well also mod faps and mayhem faps look too god to be true specialy in confront of faps for wich you need to be almost 100 lvls higher.
So who know , maybe one day MA decide to fix that too.
Ofc they cud fix mod merc, imk2 and similar by aloveing to deal damage with them only with first shoot, after that you can aim on mob and dance or something for 5 minutes before you are able to deal damage again - they aplied that on scaners. So 100k or 200 k for mod fap or maybe nothing?
 
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Eu loot , item all dynamic system is perfect , did not died till now, lived through alot of bad times, and bankrupts, and it is still alive and balanced.
So i can rly say it is perfect and there is no other atributes why it should change.
 
Dan59 said:
MA do strange things all the time.
Trust is less and belivers started to think too..

They decided that they dont need decay from scaning and price of best scaner went from 15k to 1k.

They decided to fuck mindforce with VU10 ( changing stats on chips, unability to use them ) and prices went drasticaly down for attack chips and wormhole.
Also decided that resutrection is no needed almost anywhere in EU by implementing revivals even in beacons and chip went from 40k to 5k.

They decided that it will be fun to fuck anyone who skilled paramedic to high lvls by droping warious mayhem faps, mod hedocs ect.
And prices of faps went down, prices of paramedic skills went down too - you dont need to be lvl 120 to max zicon and pay skilling with amount of monney you cud buy a lot of mod faps.
So crafters lost bussines on high lvl faps, hunters and miners lost bussines too - nobody need those resources for top L faps, MA lost a lot of decay from paramedic skillers...

And why?
Because every shity mod hedoc wich perform way better than top L faps, need only 30 lvl of paramedic and you get it almost for free if we compare expenses needed to lvl up to be able to use zicon ( start at 107 and to max need a lot blody lvls) with similar or worse performance.

They decided that customers no need to trust in MA any more.

Ewery item can be changed, nerfed or made les useable (ofc fixed), or made common by masive drop rain in loot so why to invest ? ( youst wait your occasion on some planet where minig massive amount of sweat was possible, lotinng mentor edition items or rare scaners wich crtafting was removed almost 10 years a go was normal - maybe mod mercs or similar start to rain in loot drop , just patience.

I was almost a year without my primary weapon and tools after VU 10 - you cudnt use chips.
Tomorow that can happen to guns like MM, imk2 or mod faps who know - thanks to MA for trust, consistence ect ..

They seem dont addvertise EU much, so no new players - no new demand, no buyers.

Oh last thing - i bought small fap L from Toluan because it had 59 reload.
When i looked my storage after few days i had surprise.
Some kind of scam - is not there that 59 reload fap any more but similar looking with shity performance.
Yea it looked to good to be true, well also mod faps and mayhem faps look too god to be true specialy in confront of faps for wich you need to be almost 100 lvls higher.
So who know , maybe one day MA decide to fix that too.
Ofc they cud fix mod merc, imk2 and similar by aloveing to deal damage with them only with first shoot, after that you can aim on mob and dance or something for 5 minutes before you are able to deal damage again - they aplied that on scaners. So 100k or 200 k for mod fap or maybe nothing?
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full agree with everything here!
No miracle we have less and less players.
 
As Mark-up on high end items falls, it means every owner is losing money and being burned. This pisses off players who owns them and makes them think twice about paying for high end items in the future which means less big deposits and thus hurts MA. Unfortunately MA doesn't have a clue on how to manage an economy and are quite happy to flood the market with UL items which drives the prices down and pisses off players. How active are the big ubers these days...hmmm
 
Few Scars said:
As Mark-up on high end items falls, it means every owner is losing money and being burned. This pisses off players who owns them and makes them think twice about paying for high end items in the future which means less big deposits and thus hurts MA. Unfortunately MA doesn't have a clue on how to manage an economy and are quite happy to flood the market with UL items which drives the prices down and pisses off players. How active are the big ubers these days...hmmm
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another side of this mid players see the item going up and up in price and no way to get good item
now they have a chance to get good item but there not anout poeple playing
that is what the problem of the price going down

poeple say well it more eco you save if you save that much why in the past the item got more expensive

there were not alot around and a few whit big dollars rise the price on item they probly got for nothing back in the old days

ma would be way better of selling item in the 10k to 20k if they had 100k poeple that what its now 5k most maybe less and selling item at 150 k or more
 
It also matters why the prices are dropping. Price of shadow dropping because everybody is moving to modified angel and shadow is much different to price of shadow dropping because people no longer need it as they either hunt smaller mobs / have enough hp and evade they don't need the protection any more on what they continue to hunt. Same with weapons / faps.
 
JD RACING said:
another side of this mid players see the item going up and up in price and no way to get good item
now they have a chance to get good item but there not anout poeple playing
that is what the problem of the price going down

poeple say well it more eco you save if you save that much why in the past the item got more expensive

there were not alot around and a few whit big dollars rise the price on item they probly got for nothing back in the old days

ma would be way better of selling item in the 10k to 20k if they had 100k poeple that what its now 5k most maybe less and selling item at 150 k or more
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So do you think mind ark affected of price drops?
 
ma in a way affect the price drop but it mostly the players that affect the prices

some on top of the food cahin what to stay there and dont want to share there profit

most of the complaint about items it the poeple that profit from the game cash out

they want the stuff to stay high so they can keeping cashing out

if the price were at a reasonble price whit alot more players we would be better off

5k poeple if ma need money to servive now we get what 90% to 95% some poeple say in return some get way less

just think if we had 100k poeple playing they could have it at 98 to 99%

i know im a mid players over 200k skill till the game changes i wont be playing a hole lot not giving them 100 dollars a day

i play other games 4 to 5 hours a day

for the price when there poeple whit big pocket the price of the item will be real high is it good yes and no

they guy that buy it depos but the guy that sold it cash out most of them ma dont make money on it other that there fee
 
As an example, let's consider that it's highly likely that MA never intended on a simple gun like the ML-35 peaking in value at around 40k PED. Back then, of course, we had a lot less options with regard to available weapons.

After the publicity from the original CND sale and the subsequent influx of money, we saw a Tulipmania effect ripple through EU and prices of everything soared to insane amounts with everyone holding the expectation that they will be able to sell anything for more then they purchased at, regardless of how much they paid. It was unsustainable and most of us knew that.

Everyone was kicking and screaming for better weapons, reduced costs to play, more economical weapons, etc etc etc so MA listened and gave us better stuff. Well, Of course the values of the old not as good stuff inevitably would drop as new and better things were introduced.

It certainly hasn't been perfect but overall MA has done a reasonably good job of managing the inevitable decline in value on various things.
 
Why does everyone think prices going down means the economy is fucked? No one think it was fucked before when only people with fat wallets could afford decent gear?

Yea people who paid stupid money for things 3 - 4 years ago maybe pissed off they lost, but think of all the people who played entropia back then, skilled up, then got pissed off they couldn't afford better gear so stopped playing.

As for markup, high chance that if you are buying a top end item, that person is selling out, so less for them to withdraw, or they are selling to upgrade and buy something from someone else who is planning to withdraw, and so on and so on.

Or maybe they will just burn all the PEDs ingame hunting etc, less PEDs to burn, so they will soon be makin another deposit.

But still the same as always, if someone buying, high chance some where along the line those PEDs will get withdraw or burnt ingame, I don't think MU dropping effects MA to much TBH
 
crazy said:
Why does everyone think prices going down means the economy is fucked? No one think it was fucked before when only people with fat wallets could afford decent gear?
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I think part of the problem is lack of other economic indicators. Ones that would actually track economic activity in game.
 
Teiwaz Storm said:
Let me guess: you want to buy nice toys and would like to buy them cheaper??

Ask your question yourself again AFTER you buy something worth at least 10k PED.
Would you agree then to drop 50% of its value so others can buy cheaper??
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On the other hand, quite a few people have made Money from the auction ATH a couple of years ago, and a few of the peopel getting burned are likely to be those who bougth items at the time.

Yes, in a way I've lost MU to on my items.

I once bought a marber fox ME (2k ped), upgraded it to SGA for +1k, continued to skill plasma, and continued to skill plasma with that relatively slow oldschool weapon. Then MA dropped Eredicator type four from biggest mob ingame, practically untouchable unless you had some 250+ HP, good armor and two modfappers (though one person got one with the vtol trick, I'd consider him being a top uber at the time).

Back in vu9 I bought heal chip V (900 ped), and well I've skilled up since. Then a nice chip XI started to drop, from eomons. In the middle of migration it stopped to drop, from normal eomons, and was moved to special eomon stalkers. And it seems like a handfull of players managed to continue looting them. From one of the biggest mobs ingame, sand king, I was happy enough to loot a VII heal chip (skills being at XI). Well, my V heal chip is down to 250 ped or so.

From Another perspective, if an item doesn't drop at all, I'm thinking of TP(III) chips that hasn't been much availible for quite a while, the price goes up to an unreasonable level (where most people Think the price is too high considered what you'd use it for), meaning they'd just hang at auciton. When price goes down so it's in range, people actually afford it. This is how I got my TP(III) chip last week, I didn't loot it myself (ofc..), but thanks to a few being availible in auction at a reasoable price (tt+600 or so) I finally was able to buy one.

I'd say, market value isn't Worth much if there isn't any buyer who actually is able to and prepared to pay the asked price.

Yes, I want a wormhole chip. But tt+4500 is too much for my IRL economy to deposit for one. You can call it selfish that I want it cheaper (preferably loot one), but it's the facts (for me - looking for a "fixed" job since more than 10 years and now in the most popular activity ever, the "fas3").
 
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aia said:
I once bought a marber fox ME (2k ped), upgraded it to SGA for +1k, continued to skill plasma, and continued to skill plasma with that relatively slow oldschool weapon. Then MA dropped Eredicator type four from biggest mob ingame, practically untouchable unless you had some 250+ HP, good armor and two modfappers (though one person got one with the vtol trick, I'd consider him being a top uber at the time).
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several 0x0 guns were dropped from shared harbinger waves in Twin during some event aswell, all u needed then was luck.
 
Dan59 said:
MA do strange things all the time.
Trust is less and belivers started to think too..

They decided that they dont need decay from scaning and price of best scaner went from 15k to 1k.

They decided to fuck mindforce with VU10 ( changing stats on chips, unability to use them ) and prices went drasticaly down for attack chips and wormhole.
Also decided that resutrection is no needed almost anywhere in EU by implementing revivals even in beacons and chip went from 40k to 5k.

They decided that it will be fun to fuck anyone who skilled paramedic to high lvls by droping warious mayhem faps, mod hedocs ect.
And prices of faps went down, prices of paramedic skills went down too - you dont need to be lvl 120 to max zicon and pay skilling with amount of monney you cud buy a lot of mod faps.
So crafters lost bussines on high lvl faps, hunters and miners lost bussines too - nobody need those resources for top L faps, MA lost a lot of decay from paramedic skillers...

And why?
Because every shity mod hedoc wich perform way better than top L faps, need only 30 lvl of paramedic and you get it almost for free if we compare expenses needed to lvl up to be able to use zicon ( start at 107 and to max need a lot blody lvls) with similar or worse performance.

They decided that customers no need to trust in MA any more.

Ewery item can be changed, nerfed or made les useable (ofc fixed), or made common by masive drop rain in loot so why to invest ? ( youst wait your occasion on some planet where minig massive amount of sweat was possible, lotinng mentor edition items or rare scaners wich crtafting was removed almost 10 years a go was normal - maybe mod mercs or similar start to rain in loot drop , just patience.

I was almost a year without my primary weapon and tools after VU 10 - you cudnt use chips.
Tomorow that can happen to guns like MM, imk2 or mod faps who know - thanks to MA for trust, consistence ect ..

They seem dont addvertise EU much, so no new players - no new demand, no buyers.

Oh last thing - i bought small fap L from Toluan because it had 59 reload.
When i looked my storage after few days i had surprise.
Some kind of scam - is not there that 59 reload fap any more but similar looking with shity performance.
Yea it looked to good to be true, well also mod faps and mayhem faps look too god to be true specialy in confront of faps for wich you need to be almost 100 lvls higher.
So who know , maybe one day MA decide to fix that too.
Ofc they cud fix mod merc, imk2 and similar by aloveing to deal damage with them only with first shoot, after that you can aim on mob and dance or something for 5 minutes before you are able to deal damage again - they aplied that on scaners. So 100k or 200 k for mod fap or maybe nothing?
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I need spread rep.....blah blah....anyway GREAT summary. It's about what most ppl with any valuable gear here wondering. I don;t like MA way of balancing to ( or rather lack of any balancing + panic amateur moves )
 
crazy said:
Why does everyone think prices going down means the economy is fucked? No one think it was fucked before when only people with fat wallets could afford decent gear?

Yea people who paid stupid money for things 3 - 4 years ago maybe pissed off they lost, but think of all the people who played entropia back then, skilled up, then got pissed off they couldn't afford better gear so stopped playing.

As for markup, high chance that if you are buying a top end item, that person is selling out, so less for them to withdraw, or they are selling to upgrade and buy something from someone else who is planning to withdraw, and so on and so on.

Or maybe they will just burn all the PEDs ingame hunting etc, less PEDs to burn, so they will soon be makin another deposit.

But still the same as always, if someone buying, high chance some where along the line those PEDs will get withdraw or burnt ingame, I don't think MU dropping effects MA to much TBH
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Noone payed "crazy money" for unL gear back then. You think all uber gear users were idiots ? Maybe few of them but not most of them ! Price of uber unL items in the past reflected they ability to easy earn peds. Today with MM/imk2 + imp fap u are not guaranted making any profit at all. Thats main cause of price drop.
 
shoti said:
Noone payed "crazy money" for unL gear back then. You think all uber gear users were idiots ? Maybe few of them but not most of them ! Price of uber unL items in the past reflected they ability to easy earn peds. Today with MM/imk2 + imp fap u are not guaranted making any profit at all. Thats main cause of price drop.
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Mod fap @ 500k was purely speculation driven price, cant say anything else.

Main problem that 3.xxx eco hunters face today, is that the avg eco of the other hunters went from 2.8 to 2.9. Before L weapons the difference was even higher, since back then if you didnt own imk2, you were basicly playing at 2.5 dpp, with the exception of highly skilled avatars.
 
One my comment to react on few things said above.

You should never buy an item with expectation that it will hold value. It can raise or hold the value, but you should never take it as a guaranteed thing. Same as in real life, new and better things are getting introduced.

Expensive items in EU are giving you some kind of advantage, mainly PED savings on MarkUp. The higher the advantage the higher the price usually.

A good rule would be that everytime you buy an expensive item in EU, you should calculate what benefit you are getting and how long it might take you to have the peds back. With this approach you cannot get burned, because L items will continue having MU and even the UNL item drop in price you might have your peds back already :)

And of course, sometimes you can just buy something because you want, you waste a lot of money in RL as well, so why not.

But you should never complain that an item in EU that was going for 2k peds now costs 500, that's very shortsighted and little bit stupid from your side ;)
 
PW3CKA said:
One my comment to react on few things said above.

You should never buy an item with expectation that it will hold value. It can raise or hold the value, but you should never take it as a guaranteed thing. Same as in real life, new and better things are getting introduced.

Expensive items in EU are giving you some kind of advantage, mainly PED savings on MarkUp. The higher the advantage the higher the price usually.

A good rule would be that everytime you buy an expensive item in EU, you should calculate what benefit you are getting and how long it might take you to have the peds back. With this approach you cannot get burned, because L items will continue having MU and even the UNL item drop in price you might have your peds back already :)

And of course, sometimes you can just buy something because you want, you waste a lot of money in RL as well, so why not.

But you should never complain that an item in EU that was going for 2k peds now costs 500, that's very shortsighted and little bit stupid from your side ;)
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PW3CKA again.
 
ermik said:
several 0x0 guns were dropped from shared harbinger waves in Twin during some event aswell, all u needed then was luck.
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At the time, I had so bad show-up lag in Twin Peaks so when I saw one, it was down to 10% HP. I would have had really good luck even hitting one. (The show-up lag turned worse for me at 10.9, and what made it bareable was getting a new, faster, computer.)

As far as I could, I did try them. And as far as I know, I haven't seen any of those dropping from smaller harbingers than Iotas. (I could add, they killing me in two seconds if they spot me, the Iotas in the new harbinger fields is a real menace as it's hard to avoid them and the small hills makes it hard to tag out the smaller ones.)
 
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