What now the egg has hatched ?

[RickEngland]

He paid 696969 Ped for the Egg.

MA might be sitting on his face, but looks like he's still waiting for his pleasure from that triple 69'er.

Maybe MA haven't quite got a big enough orgasm from those instances yet.....keep licking those lips death, the reward will come sooner or later.

Rick

 

[Mariko Ninja]

Well this is my guess what will happen,

but first, I do not think Mindark has taken the egg from Deathifier, without a deal with him.
Mindark would shoot themselves in their foot if they did. It could have nasty legal
consequences if they did, not to mention the public outcry it would cause in the community.

Logic tells me that Mindark made a deal with Deathifier.

As I understand, Feffox Mayhem is never going to happen again. It is an event to
introduce the new creature Feffox, a one time only event.
But the Feffox Nest instances will remain in the game.

Here is a hint, https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?242041-Known-Issue-in-Feffox-Nests
Why fix a bug if it the event will never happen again ?

Well I think Deathifier is getting the Feffox Nest instances on Treasure Island.
The ones on Eudoria will disappear when the event is over, and one or more will
be placed on Treasure Island.

But I guess we will soon find out.

 

[Pirx Danford]

Well I believe there are three possible outcomes of this:
1) MA will give D something that is arguably more than nothing and values between like 10 to maybe 10000 peds or such
2) MA will give D something like Feffox DNA or even as Mariko suggested Feffox Nests to place
3) MA will give D nothing

In either case wether or not MA talked with D he would and should keep quiet either because of a NDA or because telling too much stuff publicly will be harmful in the eventual lawsuit.

So if the egg story does not conclude with a public announcement in this matter and some interesting news, then we probably wont hear much the next years to come.
Personally I like D and hope for point 2 to happen

 

[Venture Bros]

Well this is my guess what will happen,

but first, I do not think Mindark has taken the egg from Deathifier, without a deal with him.
Mindark would shoot themselves in their foot if they did. It could have nasty legal
consequences if they did, not to mention the public outcry it would cause in the community.

Logic tells me that Mindark made a deal with Deathifier.

As I understand, Feffox Mayhem is never going to happen again. It is an event to
introduce the new creature Feffox, a one time only event.
But the Feffox Nest instances will remain in the game.

Here is a hint, https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?242041-Known-Issue-in-Feffox-Nests
Why fix a bug if it the event will never happen again ?

Well I think Deathifier is getting the Feffox Nest instances on Treasure Island.
The ones on Eudoria will disappear when the event is over, and one or more will
be placed on Treasure Island.

But I guess we will soon find out.

His own custom instance would be more than worth 70k ped.

 

[crazy]

Deathflier why not just admit it? It was a stupid move to pay that amount for an egg. Does mindark owe you anything. Ofc not.

If I pay 1 million ped for an aranenatrox doll does mindark owe my a huge event and a huge selection of prizes? And do i expect the community's simpathy for the next 3 or 4 years?

This game is so fucked up. I bet this was nothing more than a PR stunt from the start.

 

[Wollongong]

What I really cannot grasp is how an environment has been created by people PLAYING a GAME where a significant portion of those playing began to believe that it is even remotely possible that the surprise a GAMEDEVELOPER (who has to make money) would actually be worth US$ 69K to one particular individual.

Where did people think this money would have to come from? From the huge profits MA is making (which profits?). Paying 69K for this egg really never was a smart business decision.

Really! Sociology students (graduates)...psychology students (graduates), explain! How did a group of people throw out common sense and rushed to get an item which has no use at all?

All the subsequent buyers bought was a decoration, not an item which would (or even COULD) provide a cashflow exceeding that price. So perhaps MA will give Deathifier another unique item, which he can use as a nice decoration, but anything more than that would be ridiculous.

 

[BaronNuss]

I thought Marco would hatch out of the egg.

 

[Mariko Ninja]

Right,

I think some people should sit back and think before they post wild assumptions.
First of all I do not believe Mindark just took the item without a sort of deal with Deathflier.

If they did, they could be land themselves in a lot of trouble. Deathflier could sue them in court and most likely win the case. Even if Mindark would win that case, it would still do a lot of damage to the company. Trust of their costumers would plummet and I think so would the MU of a lot of high markup items. If that court case would get enough publicity, it could damage Mindark even more. Read this below, it is from a Dutch supreme court ruling in my country.

The lawyer for the defendants argued that RS's virtual items are not goods because they are not tangible and have no commercial value. The Dutch Supreme Court disagreed. Citing to the size of virtual economies as well as to specific sales on eBay of RS items, it rejected the argument that the goods had no economic value. It also observed that the victim had invested time and effort to obtain the value of the items, that the game gave him exclusive rights to the items, and that the defendants had, by violence, acquired that value and those exclusive rights from the victim.

Source: http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_no...ecognizes-runescape-items-as-legal-goods.html

These days courts view virtual items more like in real life goods with an real life value. Although Mindark is a Swedish company, the Swedish court might follow the same way of thinking. EULA's and ToU's are not above the law nor is Mindark. And I do believe Mindark knows this very well.

Although at times I do not agree with changes Mindark makes to the game, I do not believe they would simply take the egg without a proper agreement with Deathflier. So maybe he gets the Feffox DNA or even instance for the egg, or together with a additional payment.

We just have to wait.

 

[Wollongong]

That particular case doesn't have much value here as the EULA of MA covers this. Deathifier agreed (every single login) that the Egg had no value over the tt value...)

Also, that case was a matter of theft/extortion where someone took premium virtual items (I think it was Habbo Hotel, wasn't it?) by threatening the victim. Not quite the case here. Buyer and seller got to an agreement. Caveat Emptor...

 

[Mariko Ninja]

That particular case doesn't have much value here as the EULA of MA covers this. Deathifier agreed (every single login) that the Egg had no value over the tt value...)

Also, that case was a matter of theft/extortion where someone took premium virtual items (I think it was Habbo Hotel, wasn't it?) by threatening the victim. Not quite the case here. Buyer and seller got to an agreement. Caveat Emptor...

You really didn't read what I wrote didn't you, just glimpsed over it and started writing ?
No the case wasn't about Habbo Hotel, if you followed the link you could see that.

Yes it may be covered in the EULA, but the EULA only holds as long as the court accepts it.
They might hand it to the defense and say, "Hang that in the toilet where it belongs."
Again an EULA is not the law and is not above the law. Any company doing business in Sweden
has to follow Swedish law. And I wonder if Swedish law would allow a company to
steal from its customers.

That being said, I do not believe Mindark took anything from him without him knowing about it.

That was the point I was making and you missed it entirely !

 

[Deathifier]

Whilst the discussion is interesting I'd recommend waiting until the event concludes before passing judgement on the matter.

- Deathifier

 

[Bogger]

Whilst the discussion is interesting I'd recommend waiting until the event concludes before passing judgement on the matter.

- Deathifier

Where is the fun in that? Keep the theories coming people

 

[Neo]

Or... what if Death is just an (anonymous) investor in RT and the egg was just used as a pr-stunt.
ND was selling out and preparing hes new life as a planet partner and needed cash and had no use for the egg... So Death invested in RT and got the egg as a "souvenir"... maybe

 

[Lee]

Right,

I think some people should sit back and think before they post wild assumptions.
First of all I do not believe Mindark just took the item without a sort of deal with Deathflier.

While I think you are spot on about the law, I am not sure if you realize that you are saying Deathifier is telling a lie from his posts on this thread? That bit I can't agree with, he doesn't strike me as the type to cut off his nose to spite his face.

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

While I think you are spot on about the law, I am not sure if you realize that you are saying Deathifier is telling a lie from his posts on this thread? That bit I can't agree with, he doesn't strike me as the type to cut off his nose to spite his face.

I doubt very much that he lied, which is why he stated the facts only i.e. factually he did not know. Which is good for the platform i.e. no advantage given to an individual.

If he had decided to go beyond factual information and into the realms of theories then I suppose that is dangerous territory because he may then get things wrong. If he gets things wrong then "forum people" will hound him to no end that he "lied".

 

[Tycoon]

Whilst the discussion is interesting I'd recommend waiting until the event concludes before passing judgement on the matter.

- Deathifier

how's that any fun?!

It's going to be an Atrox you can ride, and it lays eggs that hatch into Atrox Hatchlings that you can shoot & loot! yeeeeehaaawww

 

[Mariko Ninja]

While I think you are spot on about the law, I am not sure if you realize that you are saying Deathifier is telling a lie from his posts on this thread? That bit I can't agree with, he doesn't strike me as the type to cut off his nose to spite his face.

Your right, it looks like I might be saying that he is lying. But I am not, I think he told the truth but not the entire story. The way I see it, is that he has a deal with Mindark.

To complete the deal, he has to give the egg to Mindark, so that they can finish the storyline.
Someone from Mindark took the from him without telling him, they possible didn't see the need to tell him, as it was part of the deal. Or simply forgot to tell him or tried to do, but could not get in touch with him at the time. If that is how it went, like I think it did, then he didn't lie nor did Mindark steal the egg.
Might be simply a misunderstanding and Deathifier told the truth.

As long as we do not know the whole story, I do think it is way too early to point fingers
and start making wild assumptions.

But I will leave the discussion here as I believe nothing serious happened.

Whilst the discussion is interesting I'd recommend waiting until the event concludes before passing judgment on the matter.

- Deathifier

 

[Deathifier]

Your right, it looks like I might be saying that he is lying. But I am not, I think he told the truth but not the entire story. The way I see it, is that he has a deal with Mindark.

There are expectations mainly, and potential, on my side and amongst the community as demonstrated in this and other threads.

Once the event wraps up whenever that may be, and whatever MindArk has planned unfolds in full, then I'll evaluate it and I might share my evaluation criteria and encourage the community to do the same.

Whilst the event is ongoing it's great to hear people's feedback and speculation, however it can easily get stuck in a circular argument which isn't a whole lot of fun and can't be resolved until the event itself is

To complete the deal, he has to give the egg to Mindark, so that they can finish the storyline.
Someone from Mindark took the from him without telling him, they possible didn't see the need to tell him, as it was part of the deal. Or simply forgot to tell him or tried to do, but could not get in touch with him at the time. If that is how it went, like I think it did, then he didn't lie nor did Mindark steal the egg.
Might be simply a misunderstanding and Deathifier told the truth.

I would say MindArk didn't even think of sending out a notification that the Egg would be removed from inventory.
Their line of thought probably went "the event goes like this and oh we should remove the Egg so he doesn't place it in his house after the event plot says it's gone."

They likely assumed I'd understand once I saw the event news (i.e. that's their method of notification).
Their assumption is correct although the notification would still have been nice just to avoid the potential "ok, where did it go? I'm sure I put it here..." trail of thought.

As for contacting me I am very, very easy to contact and I respond to most communication in under 24hrs.
So if they tried to contact me (which I doubt they did) then they did a pretty poor job

- Deathifier

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

"the event goes like this and oh we should remove the Egg so he doesn't place it in his house after the event plot says it's gone."

Something like that happened already I think when you placed it in your LA and in storyline something else was happening to it i.e. robot's attacking castle to steal egg. If I remember correctly it wasn't even in there but in different LA

So they didn't want to repeat similar incident

 

[Deathifier]

Something like that happened already I think when you placed it in your LA and in storyline something else was happening to it i.e. robot's attacking castle to steal egg. If I remember correctly it wasn't even in there but in different LA

So they didn't want to repeat similar incident

I actually picked it up after taking the picture so technically it wasn't anywhere (it was in storage).
However it's quite possible that little excursion and joke made MindArk realise that the item is rather mobile and may randomly appear at inopportune times

- Deathifier

 

[GeorgeSkywalker]

I actually picked it up after taking the picture so technically it wasn't anywhere (it was in storage).
However it's quite possible that little excursion and joke made MindArk realise that the item is rather mobile and may randomly appear at inopportune times

- Deathifier

Should have left it in storage then you wouldn't have got all this headache

 

[Wollongong]

You really didn't read what I wrote didn't you, just glimpsed over it and started writing ?
No the case wasn't about Habbo Hotel, if you followed the link you could see that.

Yes it may be covered in the EULA, but the EULA only holds as long as the court accepts it.
They might hand it to the defense and say, "Hang that in the toilet where it belongs."
Again an EULA is not the law and is not above the law. Any company doing business in Sweden
has to follow Swedish law. And I wonder if Swedish law would allow a company to
steal from its customers.

That being said, I do not believe Mindark took anything from him without him knowing about it.


That was the point I was making and you missed it entirely !

Actually, I did read the post, and I responded to the point you were making. Sure, I didn't follow the link first, I admit that. But it still was the case I was thinking about. Just had the game involved wrong (I remembered it as being about one of "that kind of games" (I dislike Habbo just as much as I dislike Runescape, but that's a matter of taste).

I totally got the point you were making though, and I made an opposing point, understanding your point exactly. Indeed, EULA does not exceed the law, but in this particular case, the EULA *IS* binding, for the exact reason I have given above. MA has nowhere been involved in the 69K transaction.

The case you are referring to is one where A threatens B and steals items from B. The Egg case, is a case where A introduces an item, presumably with a plan (and seeing how it is an egg, it is not surprising it dissappeared somehow). Said item is found by B, who then sells it to C for a ridiculous amount, after which C sells it to D for a superduperridiculous amount.

A is not a party in the deal between B-C or C-D.

Provided D were to go to Court, then the EULA clearly states that items in MA have no value over the tt value. Like it or not, that 69K transaction was a gamble (as Deathifier has admitted himself in his post on the transaction), and it was one which hasn't paid off.

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

Gee whiz, people (everyone in general, no one in particular). No shit MA isn't obligated to do anything based on the purchase price. So what? I promise you that whatever the purchase price was, MA IS going work something out with Deathifier that will let him recoup all of that investment over time, with a substantial part upfront.

JUST LIKE ANY COMPANY WOULD DO. "You take this now, and over time, you will get the rest" It is how EVERY company pays off a debt to make sure the parties (usually customers or minor investors) all leave the table happy.

WTF else do you think they are going to do? Jesus. You saw what the event brought in in terms of mobs killed and ped spent...do the math. Just a portion of that would cover the upfront payment. The rest will come over time. So shut up. Discussing the purchase price or whether or not it was worth it is a futile exercise because you are NOT privy, and as such, your opinions waste everyone's time. MA has done/will do what it needs to to insure the parties can work something out, and whatever it is, it will be with Deathifiers consent or AT LEAST be without that consent, but at a level where they know he will be happy, because otherwise they might as well have not done nothing. Do you get it yet? It's how business works. 60k aint shit compared to a shit-storm.