Why MA can set up any price for an hour of gaming and you will pay them?

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Ten or more years ago, it was easier, you could sweat and play for free or do not bother about collecting free stuff and keep playing making small depos.
Time flies, now we are in 2016 and if you need to sweat 1000 bottles, it takes 2-3 hours and let you hunt punies for 20mins. You can always do depo, no problem, but what happens when you realize you have just paid 1$, 10$ or even 100$ for an hour of gaming?

You realize, that you play RCE game - the only RCE game around! And you will pay them any amount of money because you want to play and, i will stress it, MA is the owner of the only RCE game in the market. They are monopolists.

But sooner or later, it will end my dear collegues, greed does not pay off :)

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ten or more years ago, it was easier, you could sweat and play for free or do not bother about collecting free stuff and keep playing making small depos.
Time flies, now we are in 2016 and if you need to sweat 1000 bottles, it takes 2-3 hours and let you hunt punies for 20mins. You can always do depo, no problem, but what happens when you realize you have just paid 1$, 10$ or even 100$ for an hour of gaming?

You realize, that you play rce game - the only rce game around! And you will pay them any amount of money because you want to play and, i will stress it, ma is the owner of the only rce game in the market. they are monopolists.

but sooner or later, it will end my dear collegues, greed does not pay off :)

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inb4 ban from mods for even thinking about another game while being on pcf
 
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In b4 the donkey gets banned.

And just to point.. there have been other rces. They've come and failed miserably.
 
I facepalm so hard when I see these things because they look so good and this is exactly what EU could have been if MA had just focused on the one planet rather than 5+...
 
When I log in to hunt, mine or craft -- I am choosing to play on my own accord. No one forces me to deposit, but I do it. No one forces me to hunt large mobs or use large amps, but I do it. I take responsibility for my actions and I am always prepared to lose the money I wager.

When I go to Vegas and sit down at the $50 minimum table instead of the $5 minimum, that's a choice I make as well. The casino offers different tables for different budgets. This game can be played for free, $1 an hour or $100 an hour. If the ability to play the game for free or for less than a $1 an hour were ever removed, I believe your point to your post would be validated. Until those changes are made I see the cost to play this game as something that is almost completely up to the individual.

The beautiful thing about this game, that makes it very different than a casino is the ability to trade with other players and on the auction house. When I win chips from a craps table, the only place of exchange is inside the casino. It's not like I can take my chips and go to a different casino, or even to another player and sell them for more $. In EU you can do that. You get to take your winnings and sell them at a markup. In fact you can avoid playing at the "tables" at all in EU, and just buy chips from other players -- and then turn around and sell those chips for more $ if you're convincing enough, or if the market changed during the time you purchased the chips and sold them. With all of its flaws, I believe this truly is an incredible game.

In some regards the game seems to be getting more expensive to play, and in other ways it is getting less expensive to play. Armors, guns, FAPs and equipment are all a lot cheaper than before. In some ways this game has never been cheaper to play.

My two cents. :twocents:

-MsPudding :girl:
 
I still love the crap outta this game and miss it. However my bank account and my wife do not! :laugh:
I used to experience $1 an hour, lately it's $10.. so sorry I can't do that. I miss you EU...
 
I still love the crap outta this game and miss it. However my bank account and my wife do not! :laugh:
I used to experience $1 an hour, lately it's $10.. so sorry I can't do that. I miss you EU...

Ditto. It's not even returns that are the problem most of the time, it's the outright fleecing of the player base in all the other ways they do it. Retention seems to be of no concern, only getting as much as they can from each and every avatar, then redistributing the leftovers to the top tier 3% of their chosen avatars. Well, eventually, every company has to replace their losses through attrition, and Compets aint gonna do it for MA.

Knowing how much money I've deposited over the last 6 years as a simple mid level player, and the amount that I'm withdrawing as I sell out, the loss must be staggering to them every time they have to buck up to pay out to somebody like me (or you) who's had enough of the BS. Seems like it has to be a pyramid scheme to keep going. Payout with deposits. Maybe that's why it takes 10-12 weeks to make a withdrawal.

Not all of us will continue to pay what MA wants, not when they keep reducing the incentive bit by bit, until there's none left.
 
I facepalm so hard when I see these things because they look so good and this is exactly what EU could have been if MA had just focused on the one planet rather than 5+...

Did you just say it looks good? :laugh:

It looks fairly poorly made, but some of the concepts are good ideas that players have wanted for ages. That said their English is terrible, and as to how much of it is actually implemented, meh. Its all smoke and mirrors until its real.

I laughed at their "dynamic migration" bit, that looked like the most robotic least dynamic herd of rhinos I ever saw.
 
Ditto. It's not even returns that are the problem most of the time, it's the outright fleecing of the player base in all the other ways they do it. Retention seems to be of no concern, only getting as much as they can from each and every avatar, then redistributing the leftovers to the top tier 3% of their chosen avatars. Well, eventually, every company has to replace their losses through attrition, and Compets aint gonna do it for MA.

Knowing how much money I've deposited over the last 6 years as a simple mid level player, and the amount that I'm withdrawing as I sell out, the loss must be staggering to them every time they have to buck up to pay out to somebody like me (or you) who's had enough of the BS. Seems like it has to be a pyramid scheme to keep going. Payout with deposits. Maybe that's why it takes 10-12 weeks to make a withdrawal.

Not all of us will continue to pay what MA wants, not when they keep reducing the incentive bit by bit, until there's none left.

One of my biggest concerns are these so called "waves" of loot/rare items. What a laughable, lazy system.

Another thing is MA's general distance from the community. Making no attempt to communicate, no attempt at designing interesting/fun events for newer players. There are many free to play/buy to play games out there with regular content updates and an extremely sociable development team. Some people like to use this forum's hostility as an excuse, but it's a poor one. Oh boo hoo the players are mean to me so I will never talk to them :laugh: Newsflash, every single dev team for every single game has to deal with this... But Mindark gets a free pass because of the paralyzing Stockholm syndrome of the EU community.

The grinding halt of content updates is also plain disgusting. At this point I've just been holding out on the slim chance that the devs will start doing their job after ComPets.
 
"Every clone is unique" lol

Game looks a lot like a copy of EU. I don't really see anything different other than factories and a legal system - have seen that in other games and they are usually kangaroo courts.
 
Sorry but I can't agree. I have played some of the popular "free" mobile games, and many people playing these games spend anywhere from $100-$1000 a week, every week, on these games. And when I say many people, I mean at least 1/4th of them. You think Entropia players are doing that, with those percentages? Because they are not. Of course, it's hard since I don't have real numbers to reference, but my gut tells me Entropia players don't spend as much across the board as some of these other games. Sure, there may still be some heavy spenders, but with a relatively small player base, they're kind of a necessity if you think about it.
 
10 years ago it was exactly the same. People did whine that sweat is worth only 6-7 ped/k and not 10-20 like in "good old days", that loot is tt food (even though it teemed with items which today have decent markup), that "ubers" get all the toys, that MA's greed is destroying the game and clearly it's only a few months until the sky matches coordinates with the ground.

It's normal to remember only positive things but don't let nostalgia cloud your judgement. I've never had a break in this decade and can't say that I notice any major differences between then and now. And yet we all are still here.
 
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10 years ago it was exactly the same. People did whine that sweat is worth only 6-7 ped/k and not 10-20 like in "good old days", that loot is tt food (even though it teemed with items which today have decent markup), that "ubers" get all the toys, that MA's greed is destroying the game and clearly it's only a few months until the sky matches coordinates with the ground.

It's normal to remember only positive things but don't let nostalgia cloud your judgement. I've never had a break in this decade and can't say that I notice any major differences between then and now. And yet we all are still here.

Personally I was very content with sweat prices @ 2 pec per bottle :laugh:
 
Ten or more years ago, it was easier, you could sweat and play for free or do not bother about collecting free stuff and keep playing making small depos.
Time flies, now we are in 2016 and if you need to sweat 1000 bottles, it takes 2-3 hours and let you hunt punies for 20mins. You can always do depo, no problem, but what happens when you realize you have just paid 1$, 10$ or even 100$ for an hour of gaming?

You realize, that you play RCE game - the only RCE game around! And you will pay them any amount of money because you want to play and, i will stress it, MA is the owner of the only RCE game in the market. They are monopolists.

But sooner or later, it will end my dear collegues, greed does not pay off :)

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this is a most flawed logic i ever saw . it must be bait .
 
Hmmm... Didn't we already read this topic? Oh, wait! We read such topics three times per week...
 
Everyone read again the definition of monopolism. I did not get banned because, I guess, mods understand why I have posted that video. I did not promote any game, ony used it for comparison.

I follow RCE games market and I know, the biggest EU challenger from russia is down for a long time, and now the biggest threat to MA monopolism is a single small RCE project which is being creating by some british gamers, looks very poor for now and will probably fail.

Or maybe not? I wish I was wrong and sooner or later there will be some competitiors for MA. But now, they are trurly monopolists - you need to play well developed RCE game(someone did mention there are some projects working - yes there are! 20 ppl playing - probably group of friends. 0 threat for MA), and there is only one - Entropia Universe.

That is why you will pay them any amount and will not complain. You need to play because you like, you want and you will play - you have no other option :)
 
what happens when you realize you have just paid 1$, 10$ or even 100$ for an hour of gaming?

I did some math and came up with a rough estimate of what I've paid MA so far over nearly three years:

USD 0.012/hour

I could make it zero/negative if I wanted but hey, MA wants to eat, too.

And no, I don't spend my days sweating or spamming, I just play in a cautious and patient manner.
 
Doesn't llook like company is making whole lot of profit. There was several changes aimed at reducing the fixed costs, including the number of employees.
Maybe it's not only us who's trying to break even?
Or if you dare to be really optimistic, maybe they are trying to bring the average cost to play down?
Either way, nobody forces you to play on the level you can't afford.

Wouldit be cool if we didn't have these problems?
O yeah, definitely... :yup:
 
Hi

i have not been in game for well over 6 months now:cry::cry::cry:, I do miss it a lot. I need to re download the game :)

I remember when I started in 2010, my Soc leader told me "don't depo, what you can't loose. the key is playing smart, not fast."
If you want to spend $100/hour, good for you. if not, then good for you as well. it stays your choice at the end of the day, so MA can do whatever they want in terms of cost to play. if you do not want to pay to play, then don't.

regards,

PW
 
At the end of the day MA have to keep the lights on, but sometimes i wonder if they are powering the Blackpool illuminations :laugh: .
Have experienced a nasty down-phase over last few months, but should even up overall, has always done in past anyway :).
 
if you need to sweat 1000 bottles, it takes 2-3 hours and let you hunt punies for 20mins.

You can make 1k sweat in less then an hour easily, learn about sync chips, you never loose consentration on a sweat extraction. Get a group together on a mid hp mob that does low damage. Back in the day my RL brothers and I use to be 3 and just sweat lower mid lvl combibo. We always ran sync I chips and we pulled combined 3+k approaching 4k and hour out of them. We hunted the ones we sweated and was easy to do with tt weapons in small group. We actually 30+% of the time profited tt wise on loot from mobs and sweat sales was extra. Sweat sales easily covered any losses. Granted prices back then were 3.5-5 ped per K.

I was never a big fan of the large mob sweat teams where I was unable to hunt and kill for loot. There are ways to play and sweat and retain gameplay with friends. Going solo and profiting off sweat to do long grinds I will agree it has never been possible since I was playing.

I am sure most that complain they can't play for free dump 9.99 a week into cell phone games to play this is no different but your 9.99 here actually give you skills which you can sell later if you ever quit and am able to walk away with cash, most cell games you have to try to sell your account outside the game rules and if caught you loose everything or else you just quit and get nothing out of what you spent.

This game even if you play slow and no depo you are always earning actual cash out value in the long run. No other game really does that and it is actually part of the game to do so.
 
It amazes me we still talk about sweat when you can fruit walk and pick up stuff that pays 15-17 ped per 1k. I got 402 bombardo on a single pick up on songkra. Maybe people just want to afk profit?
 
It amazes me we still talk about sweat when you can fruit walk and pick up stuff that pays 15-17 ped per 1k. I got 402 bombardo on a single pick up on songkra. Maybe people just want to afk profit?

That is true, fruit prices are really nice right now with all the taming going on. And lately the stacks are of nice sizes when you find them.
 
That is true, fruit prices are really nice right now with all the taming going on. And lately the stacks are of nice sizes when you find them.

Yep, but you can't afk fruit find, only afk sweat :laugh:

I think newbies have it pretty great atm, with all the newbie missions + fruits + stones etc, plus all the sweating events. They just need to look at these things as a "trial" version of the game, and the starter packs are for when you actually want to "buy" the game.

However the lack of newbie-centric / newbie-friendly events is definitely discouraging...
 
"actually give you skills which you can sell later if you ever quit "

Sure ! ESI are sold at ~1200%+ for no reason ! (who is selling skillls ? why ESI seller takes so many %% ?)

And everytime it s the same, there are only low value ESI , and nowhere near enough to chip out.
Then if chip is too big, they give you TTvalue for a few ped of 1200% ESI!

And finally, need to find someone to buy large quantities of skills.

Anyway, thoses extra 1200% of ESI value make selling skill near useless...and if you find ESI, with thoses prices, might as well sell it empty!
Skills prices are low/stable But ESI price have doubled over a few years.

You can sell your skills, but it's easier said than done
 
Simple, its there game, they built it, they can do with it whatever they please. No matter how much gear you own or how much PED you have tied up in investments. Its there game they can make your investments usless and give you nothing back as we have seen time and time again.

But its our risk to assume. I hate to break it to everyone so bluntly but its the truth. Once you accept that fact you will have more fun playing this game. I feel your pain but if anyone here wants a say in how the game is run or setup then you will need to start from the beginning as they did and built you one.

GL Op again I do understand you its just theres a cold truth under it all we sometimes miss.
 
Oh, SOOOO much to say......


Meh, f*ck it.

I've said it all already. Sick of repeating myself. Those that have read my posts/threads in the past know my opinions. Those that didn't but are curious, search is your friend.
 
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