- Aug 13, 2009
- Soldiers of Redemption
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[h=3]Yog Pet Buff Issue[/h]
Along with the server hotfix which corrected the pet buff issue, Summer Mayhem scores for 12 participants were removed, due to the possibility that the incorrect pet buff may have been active during those sessions. Please note that those removed scores do not necessarily constitute clear evidence of cheating or abuse on the part of the affected participants. For that reason, those participants were not disqualified from the event, as some participants have called for. However, out of an abundance of caution to ensure the integrity of the Summer Mayhem event, it was decided to remove those scores, even if it was not absolutely certain that there was an intention to gain an unfair advantage in the event.
Additionally, some participants have demanded a review of the results from previous Mayhem events where the unintended Yog pet buff may have provided an advantage, inadvertently or intentionally. We will be conducting this investigation over the next few weeks, with the intention of increasing the prize rewards for any participants who were pushed down in the final standings due to another higher-placing participant benefitting from the unintended pet buff.
Due to the unintended Yog pet buff being available for such an extended period of time, despite support cases that should have resulted in the issue being addressed, and considering that it is not possible to definitively conclude that use of the pet was in every case intended to exploit the buff to gain an advantage, MindArk has decided it would be unfair and impractical to punish participants who directly or indirectly benefited from the unintended buff, for example stripping prizes awarded in previous Mayhem events.
Once again, we want to extend our apologies for the confusion and inconvenience this issue has caused. We are continually improving our processes to hopefully prevent and minimize such incidents in the future.
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What a weak response. I agree completely with what almost all said before me and I will include that below. Now we know Mayhems can be exploited with the minimum punishment possible. Why should anyone else not exploit advantageous bugs to gain the advantage if there is only a MINIMAL chance of being punished for it? What kind of precedent are you trying to set here?
Who would use a yog in mayhem if it weren't for the buff... seriously.
Hmmmm good question...
Nonsense. There is zero reason to have a Yog spawned with the buff active if not to deliberately abuse the bug.
If you can work out enough to fairly reward the people who suffered, you can work out enough to punish the people who cheated.
Players: There is a serious bug that allows very unfair advantage in a competition for real prizes. Please do something to deter this!
MA: *drops feather on wrists of exploiters
Exploiters: Oh nO mY FiRst Run wAs ReSeT wHaT EveR WiLl i Do NoW??!!!11??
Also Exploiters: Glad I sold my ill gotten gains and MA is doing nothing about it! On to the next exploit because nothing will be done about it and the reward outweighs the risk at this point!!
Add to that, why would anyone bring a mining buff pet into mayhem instance for HOURS if not to intentionally make use of some exploit?
if 10 people did it intentionally and 1 on accident, there's still plenty of causation to punish everyone regardless. ignorance is borderline no excuse and 25% FR is pretty recognizable. Additionally, you could surely trace the yog horror pet from account to account and figure it out...
Totally agree with the sentiment here. To be fair though, they did say they are going to investigating it further over the next few weeks and in reality this kind of a thing takes time to dig through logs and follow the data.
So DannyO gets reset and locked, but the people that have been exploiting for how long now and taking advantage of all the others competing in mayhem, nothing? Really? As always, the cheaters get to keep cheating. Nothing surprising there. Why would anyone ever report a bug in this game if you are never going to ban or punish the people exploiting? This is proof 100% that you do not even take your own TOS seriously, and that its perfectly ok to cheat or exploit other players as long as its not your pockets being affected. But gg MA, its not like the people that took a pet with a mining buff into personal instances for mayhem had any ill intentions or wanted to exploit the bug they clearly had no idea about.
Fair point and further shows that MA is willing to set a precedent that cheating/exploiting is fine (as long as they are the ones making the $$$) and will only punish minimally if enough backlash is spammed in PCF.
mindark you make me sick!
refusing to call it an exploit, these ppl intentionally used the pet for unfair advantage.. doesnt get more simple than that.
this is horsesh1t
We all know this, MA just turns a blind eye to it.
While I agree with you, that it's pretty safe to assume that 95% of the people using them in Mayhem Instances are guilty. I do believe it's possible that there were a small percentage of dedicated miners who may have spawned the pet to level it up, unaware it was having the effect it did.
While there a valid point here, those that have the buff active are 100% purposefully exploiting. They should be punished much much more harsh. If there is an innocent player that was "Just leveling up my Yog!" in an instance where using the Yog can garner an incredible advantage and thousands in prizes, then they can plead their case. But initially, all should be banned from participating in this Mayhem and allow time for a thorough investigation to conclude at which point the beyond guilty players should be banned from all Mayhem forever on top of other sanctions.
Enforce the EULA or it is void because then it all is subjective.
Why should anyone have to abide by the EULA if MA isn't even going to enforce it? Again, you are setting a terrible precedent here MA!
This is a very good point.
So let me get this straight, you're going to go back and find cases where people exploited this and "increasing the prize rewards for any participants who were pushed down in the final standings due to another higher-placing participant benefitting from the unintended pet buff." however, that individual will go unpunished? Even though you caught them. Is this really just because of the players who are exploiting the issue?
I can understand letting it for for outside mayhem instances because of the duration of this bug, however lets be real here. Anyone that used that pet inside of a mayhem instance knew what they were doing. And before you pull the "I was just leveling my pet" bull**** card, please don't. We are not that stupid.
Man, I been disappointed in MA in the past, however this is on a different level. Disappointed does not even being to express how I feel about this decision.
Well said and I couldn't agree more.
This is a joke, plain and simple. If you guys dont take your own EULA seriously why the F should we? You wiped scores from the board, you know people are exploiting, and you dont do a dam thing about it. Who gives a shit about increased rewards, ooooh lets go buy the trash items available still.? oh boy. I mean I know your support is a joke mindark, but in this you have proven your EULA is a joke as well, as are the actions you guys deem punishable. How do you come to the conclusion DannyO should have gotten what he did but these useless idiots exploiting since how long now, just get away like nothing happened.Watch how many sell threads and withdraw requests come up in the coming months, get your check books ready MA.
Again, reiterating the precedent being set here about enforcement of your own EULA.
Thanks MA for finally coming forward but you do really need to get a grip on your creation. The community is in uproar, the mayhem events are crucial for your lights to stay on. Keeping a level playing field is of upmost importance.
In short - the punishment should fit the crime,
You cant ban dannyo for gaining a few peds and skills then issue a public pardon for all these.
Sure it will upset a fair few people. Thats not the point though, the point is the other 99% who do really wish to play the game as intended.
Punishment SHOULD fit the crime. They are frauds not only to MA, but all players that participate in the universe period.
Fraud - noun - wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain
Cheating - verb - act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
Imagine player X exploited on summer 2019, in the same category as player Y scored lower.
Imagine player Y exploited in halloween 2019 with borrowed Yog from player X, that also exploited and again ranked higher than Y.
Will player Y be compensated for both summer and halloween mayhems?
Really good point here. PAY ATTENTION MA because competent people are in the room. I hope you're taking notes because you're obviously not doing anything else.
You realize that everyone that has been exploiting this bug since halloween mayhem 18 is laughing right now? They got away with stealing ... They arn't named, they arn't shamed, they certainly arn't banned for 5 months and had some of their most valuable skills stripped away from them.
you can't show how harsh you'll be to one case of people cheating the system to gain advantages and then roll over and play dead to another case of people cheating for years to gain thousands of dollars worth of gear.
How do we ever expect to grow as a community with new blood of players when stuff like this keeps happening? This makes me sick.
Do you think with the way you're handling this is going to deter the next (possibly same) group of exploiters that find a bug to cheat and gain MASSIVE advantage with? Nah, they'll take the chance, knowing they'll probably keep the prizes and go about their lives laughing all the way to the bank.
Never been so disappointed reading a decision about cheating.
No one on accident spawns and activates a mining buff in an instance where you can't mine. How stupid do you really think your community is?
Be Better Mindark, Do Better.
This could not be better said at all. ARE YOU STILL PAYING ATTENTION MA?!
In conclusion, we are pretty much all not only deeply upset by this, but feel cheated by not only the cheaters but also MA itself at this point. You show no courage to do what is necessary to keep this kind of thing from happening again. I've played this game since 2003 and have such a monumental connection to it which is why I even decided to respond here. It's not just the exploit that we are upset about, it's really the lack of anything from MA that mostly upsets us. You have now set a VERY bad precedent that cheating/exploiting will go mostly unpunished if even at all even in a major events like Mayhems. What a shame on MA's part. So utterly disappointing.