Well an other MMORPG who shall remain nameless released a security system much like our Goldcards except it's an app for Ipods/Iphone. So I was thinking that EU could do the same. Maybe even have an app for Android. It wouldn't really be that hard, and would solve the broken/lost GC problem. Anyone like?
No!
- Cellphones get hacked easily
- Cellphones get lost easily
- Cellphones are dropped, overrun, smashed, broken easily
- People usually don't care about removing everything from a device, may it be as sensitive as you can think of (Ever went to a second-hand dealer and checked the phone-numbers, SMS and images on it? It's like 4chan revisited.)
- People write their username and password into a text-file to "make it less harder for the hacker"
- You can't actually play with the cellphone so this would have no use at all
- Reasons others have mentioned
What are you thinking!?
I can't believe you guys.
This is fucking retarded.
Saying no to free security.
Look att blizzard, they have security tokens, they have iphone and android apps, it has lowered their account hijacks MAJORLY!
Seriously, what are you thinking when you say no?
Your harsh blahblah doesn't add anything to the discussion. It only states that you avoid the big picture.
You make things very very easy for you just to put all the risks on all the others. Get your priorities straight and let others do the thinking.
Besides: not everybody has a smartphone or a cellphone that supports applications totally independent of with or without Internet access.
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That's just.. Childish.
I ment have this as maybe a free alternative to the current system.
It might not be 100% hack proof but it safer than nothing right?
Agreed....But the gold card IS 100% hack-proof, or as close to as possible atm.
Question: Will adding an alternative system INcrease security or DEcrease it? The more gates, the more chances to gate-crash.
Not broke. Don't fix.
Question: Will adding an alternative system INcrease security or DEcrease it? The more gates, the more chances to gate-crash.
Gold card is free after a certain amount of deposit. Neither me nor my wife paid for ours.
But the gold card IS 100% hack-proof, or as close to as possible atm.
Question: Will adding an alternative system INcrease security or DEcrease it? The more gates, the more chances to gate-crash.
Not broke. Don't fix.
But for everyone who DOESN'T have a gold card and who havent deposited 5k ped could get a similar thing to your gold card but for cell phones.
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Nice logic there mister.
You don't want more people to have secure accounts because YOUR account is allready secure?
Nice logic there mister.
Mindark could use a system similar to which is used by paypal. which it doesnt' have a card, only a "reader", and the "reader" has already the "card" already inside. (i.e., it's a little device with a screen that displays a code and a button)
You can search for yourself this security device.
(at least is not about a MMORPG )
Exactly. I payed for that. Not the free offer, I deposited especially for it before the said offer.
Now to try to answer to a small uneducated impolite and, quote, "retarded" kid like you:
*the goldcard system has two ends: a physical one and a logical one
The physical one is 100% safe in my hands, the logical one is 100% safe in MA hands. A phone app would mean opening the logical end to the possibility of decrypting. I am speaking of possibility, not probability, is irelevant wether or not an iphone app is easy hackable. I payed for security and I don't see any reasons that security should be compromised because an Iphone(!) user can't afford 20$ peds or what's a full cost of a gc.
P.S.: WoW is P2P, EU is F2P, security in WoW is anything but free.
That's funny.
With your logic, It's safer to have just your password than your password + phone app.
How on earth do you even make that happen?
I payed for security and I don't see any reasons that security should be compromised because an Iphone(!) user can't afford 20$ peds or what's a full cost of a gc.
Why do you even think YOUR account would be compromised!?
Basically a mobile application (iPhone isn't the only phone with applications you know.) would just let people chose either phone app or gold card.
Staying with JUST password is LEAST safe way and yet this is what you prefer over using a mobile app?
And why this distrust for mobiles? Take a good look at the blizzard authenticator and tell me that's unsafe.
Every 10 seconds you get a one-time code, after those 10 seconds a new one appears, and when the new one is there the old one doesn't work anymore.
I just don't get it, people think a mobile application is unsafe.. So they want the people who doesn't have a gold card to just keep using a password and a password only.
That's clever.
Just go and check your local courthouse for some cases where mobile phones been used, and if it's not public like it is here in Sweden search the web.I just don't get it, people think a mobile application is unsafe.. So they want the people who doesn't have a gold card to just keep using a password and a password only.
That's clever.
what happens when you have some virus in it opening up all sorts of ports just like in your computer at home? I dont know iphone but does it came with a good and secure AV/FW?Using an iphone is perfectly safe! Just hold it at the bottom like you would any normal phone, and nobody can call/sms with it or contact it in any way!
(goldcard is not broken. does not need changing.)
what happens when you have some virus in it opening up all sorts of ports just like in your computer at home? I dont know iphone but does it came with a good and secure AV/FW?
Just go and check your local courthouse for some cases where mobile phones been used, and if it's not public like it is here in Sweden search the web.
what happens when you have some virus in it opening up all sorts of ports just like in your computer at home? I dont know iphone but does it came with a good and secure AV/FW?
A few years ago when bluetooth was the "new" we had a lively discussion about the safety of those phones here in Sweden as most people just had their phones wide open to the public
And as I said previously, cell phones have a nasty habit of getting lost and/or stolen frequently too also making them less secure just for that reason alone
EDIT: forgot one thing, who will pay for it?
People complain like crazy over sweaters stealing money from depositors, so I ask again where will the cash to this "app" come from?
surely you dont think it's free for MA?
Because so far there haven't been any large breach of that system, just wait and I'm sure it will happen...That's funny, If it's so insecure how come swedish banks use mobile apps?
One must think that they care more about safety than Mindark.
No I haven't had a mobile virus just because I use old fashion phones not the fancy todays "toy of the day phones"Ever had a mobile virus?
Have you ever considdered using a computer without AV/FW?
It's not hard at all to stay on without getting viruses, why would it be any harder on a cellphone?
Sure I know media always say it's 10000times worse then it is, but seriously when I put on my bluetooth on my laptop at home I get my neighboors phone to show up, and if I want and am good enough on computers I promise you that getting into it woudn't be a problem and it's one of the resent Nokia phones too(not the current model but the one before or so)I think you missed a large portion of this discussion.
The bluetooth cellphone exploit was only possible with a few older cellphones without any user interaction from the mobile owner himself.
All new phones require you to accept one or more things in order to give controll over bluetooth.
This was one of those cases where media took a shitty story, and made it huge as if it affected everyone.. When in reality it didn't even affect 1% of the population. :/
What we are suggesting is you take your time to buy a GC or deposit so you get one for free, if you cant afford to buy a GC, do you really have value that need that kind of protection? (ped or rep doesn't matter)I've said this allready.
All you will see on the application is a one time number.
You wont see any login, you wont see any password.
Only a one time number.
It is up to you to hold your username and password safe, like everywhere else, but the one time number adds an extra level of security, how on earth is this concept impossible to grasp?
What is more safe.
A, Username and Password only
or
B, Username, password AND a mobile app which is connected to your account and the codes you see can only be used with your account?
What alot of people here are suggesting is that A is the most safest, but It's not!
Yes I end up paying for it but this is something I think are more "freeloading" then sweaters!Really, you end up paying for it.
Mindark is earning It's living on your money, and if you got safer accounts means less support issues meaning less need for support employees and therefor it is alot more cheap to give out a free app like this and not do it.
Blizzard has an enormous team working only with account hijacks and thefts, by giving out a free mobile app which secures your account makes the workload alot easier on them, thus saving them money.
Buy yourself a GC and stop freeloading off our depositing hands!Really guys? This is very simple logic.
password + mobile = safer than just password.
Because so far there haven't been any large breach of that system, just wait and I'm sure it will happen...
It's not that I doubt it's secure, I doubt it's secure enough the reason to I would never ever accept my bank to "force" me to use it.
No I haven't had a mobile virus just because I use old fashion phones not the fancy todays "toy of the day phones"
And yes I have tried using it without one, and first couple of minutes checking my outlook mail I got in trouble so no, these days I always install my AV before connecting the wifi or cable and first thing I do when thats done is updating the AV version
If you say you are using your computer without any AV and dont get viruses I think you're a naive moron(excuse my language)
(unless you use linux or some other OP then windows)
Sure I know media always say it's 10000times worse then it is, but seriously when I put on my bluetooth on my laptop at home I get my neighboors phone to show up, and if I want and am good enough on computers I promise you that getting into it woudn't be a problem and it's one of the resent Nokia phones too(not the current model but the one before or so)
What we are suggesting is you take your time to buy a GC or deposit so you get one for free, if you cant afford to buy a GC, do you really have value that need that kind of protection? (ped or rep doesn't matter)
Yes I end up paying for it but this is something I think are more "freeloading" then sweaters!
Less support lol, remember there is a huma behind the screen and human errors cant be avoided, thats proven daily all over the rl planet
Buy yourself a GC and stop freeloading off our depositing hands!