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I do not know what other people think. But I feel the inside info, the way is used by NEVERDIE and his crew should not be legal used the way it is.

Their actions affect people trust. Affect the value of assets in EU>

Also, the fact that they have on RockTropia spawns of mobs that are on Calypso since always and the spawns on malcruentor, itumatrox and lots of other mobs, are much better on RT than they ever were on Calypso.

This fact makes me think that the only way this can be is if NEVERIE actually owns Calypso also, and not just RT. In any other scenario, the owner of Calypso should have reacted in some way. Nothing happened from what we know. So all this is accepted by Calypso owners.


But, if NEVERDIE owns Calypso and Rocktropia and still does what he does, why would he do it? Why would he hurt the game the way he does?
Who would trust to invest in ANYTHING in this game EVER AGAIN? Where is the fairness in this game? Where is the basic decent rule in this virtual universe? Is there any of that? Will there ever be?

The owners can just do anything at any time? They can just destroy the value on anything over night just because they feel like it?

Me as a player. Why would I deposit and invest in anything in this game? Why would I tell anyone to even try?
 
I think it was Pioneer who said the Daikiba was redesigned as Shinkiba for the reason that all of the old mobs that were not added by FPC/SDS were co-owned by MA. It seems all planet partners can therefore use those mobs on their planet, while SDS will continue to redesign the old mobs on Calypso to be unique to the planet.
 
I know i wouldn't be happy if i had bought a dome, but i guess we should have seen it coming.

MA is trying to keep the planets apart, like stand alone entities that are not dependent on each other, but have their own player base and working economy.

They've already Decided that some of Calypso's Mobs are Universal, so in hindsight it shouldn't come as a surprise that other planets will be allowed - or maybe even given incentives - to create something like F.O.M.A. to boost the player base.

In that case, SEE should know what they bought (although the deal they've made looks worse by the day) and what other planet partners are able to create. I guess it all makes sense in someone deep in MA headquarters, but all i see is more and more distrust...


[Edit] Also, i have to admit that i can't see Hell taking over players from F.O.M.A, since the taxes will be up soon, and the teleman's coin with its unknown but probably quite high MU will be added in the 80 ped ticket to rocktropia. And not everyone is interested in Rocktropia specific resources...
 
No way NDS owns Calypso... but with both there are plenty of bugs, unfinished storylines, and all sorts of other problems.
 
No matter how much ND is trying to recreate the success story of Calypso, by focusing only on content and not on creating strong sustainable connections between the main professions he will sooner or later fail.

At least he's a master of cathing attention and pulling various stunts. Unfortunately this is a quality of people unable to create something worthwile.
 
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All I want to say, is that what happens is outrageous. He may not own or be a part of Calypso. But his behavior is clearly accepted. And I can't figure out why.

Is funny how his RockStars -rep anyone that makes comments about it. I wonder how many of them are actually payed to do whatever crap he asks on them. In game and on forum.

And if he, as a planet partner should not have an active avatar, and MA asked him to stop playing, how is it legal to pay people to do your dirty work?


Shame!!!
 
BlackHawk said:
And if he, as a planet partner should not have an active avatar, and MA asked him to stop playing, how is it legal to pay people to do your dirty work?
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So you say that in RL is ilegal for you to pay 100 ppl to go in 100 towns and yell that BH is the best?

Don't politicians do something similar? :scratch2:
 
They can say whatever the f28k they want, but the problem is that they buy and sell sh1t and influence the economy KNOWING STUFF A NORMAL PLAYER SHOULD NOT KNOW.
 
serioulsy ND does way more promoting the FPC/SDS. Remember every news article came from ND with CND.

Now he goes further and ND does listen to his playerbase. You ask better spwans he gets you more spawns. And if ma indeed have general mobs and ND implementing then yeah ofc it is a smart way to do so. Frankly I would introduce more unique mobs but yes ND can create bigger spawns then SDS.

Ofc the calypso missions dont work on RT if you wanted to ask the
 
BlackHawk said:
They can say whatever the f28k they want, but the problem is that they buy and sell sh1t and influence the economy KNOWING STUFF A NORMAL PLAYER SHOULD NOT KNOW.
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NDS is broke and what you see here are the side effects of the desperate measures by ND/MA to rescue the first really independent planet partner - and because a shutdown of RT would affect SEE in a not-so-positive way, too ("the sky is falling!"-threads galore), so they just sit and let it happen.
(dozends of other planets will very likely never be created if RT fails already after such a short period of time)
 
ranpha said:
serioulsy ND does way more promoting the FPC/SDS. Remember every news article came from ND with CND.

Now he goes further and ND does listen to his playerbase. You ask better spwans he gets you more spawns. And if ma indeed have general mobs and ND implementing then yeah ofc it is a smart way to do so. Frankly I would introduce more unique mobs but yes ND can create bigger spawns then SDS.

Ofc the calypso missions dont work on RT if you wanted to ask the
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First of all, MA designs the spawn size, from what I understand. Why is it a lot better there? Why mining fields are clean without too much BS in all of them?

Some mining fields on some lands have clean typo, clean crystals, clay melchi, clean whatever crap. You can never get anything like this on calypso, even tho there is larger player base. You always get a good thing with some BS in it. But not on those special lands... Where is the balancing there?
 
wizzszz said:
NDS is broke and what you see here are the side effects of the desperate measures by ND/MA to rescue the first really independent planet partner - and because a shutdown of RT would affect SEE in a not-so-positive way, too ("the sky is falling!"-threads galore), so they just sit and let it happen.
(dozends of other planets will very likely never be created if RT fails already after such a short period of time)
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I can understand your point of view, and is a valid one. However, if this is the case, I think it would be better if he would just sell the planet, if is incapable to make it profitable. Maybe rename it. But accepting the fact of using inside info to make a special person survive in a virtual universe will not be a successful strategy, simply because no one would trust this game anymore. IMO, SEE should not accept this, if it is independent of Rocktropia, and just offer to buy his project, if indeed it has failed. Make it better. Have it as a part of Calypso, if all else fails.
 
BlackHawk said:
They can say whatever the f28k they want, but the problem is that they buy and sell sh1t and influence the economy KNOWING STUFF A NORMAL PLAYER SHOULD NOT KNOW.
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speaking of the economy, ND himself is affecting the economy and loot pool on his own, AFTER he made the statement that planet partners and their employees cannot participate in end user activities back in December, as mentioned in other threads... (assuming end user activity would include completing quests, crafting, and hunting)... actually the 'damned prison' as ND refers to the place in a podcast interview a while ago was created as a direct retaliation against him not being able to participate -- even though all the while he was participating anyways...??? Look at all these peds his avatar got back from not abiding by the rule to not participate...

Look how many peds DA manager is giving away, etc. and auctioning off. Is DA Manager an employee or owner of NDS? If DA is, wouldn't Deathifier be for Arkadia since his place in that is similar to DA's -- i.e. someone that bought a part of the company on loan sort of to pay for a land area BEFORE anyone else could since the planet did not exist yet... so much for the old idea that all avatars are equal that Marco used to toss around.

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That's over 6k ped that DID NOT get looted by someone else. What is ND going to do with all that since he technically should not have looted it at all as he was engaging in an end user activity to get it?!?
 
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BlackHawk said:
I can understand your point of view, and is a valid one. However, if this is the case, I think it would be better if he would just sell the planet, if is incapable to make it profitable. Maybe rename it. But accepting the fact of using inside info to make a special person survive in a virtual universe will not be a successful strategy, simply because no one would trust this game anymore. IMO, SEE should not accept this, if it is independent of Rocktropia, and just offer to buy his project, if indeed it has failed. Make it better. Have it as a part of Calypso, if all else fails.
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Selling it now would still be bad press - and well, we all know how good MA is at "picking the best option"...

However, to answer your initial question:
ND is killing EU if this keeps up, if he hasn't achieved that already.


And apparently, nobody really want's to stop him, SEE appears to do nothing at all, and the comment from MA on "scannergate" was nothing but a cruel joke.
 
wizzszz said:
Selling it now would still be bad press - and well, we all know how good MA is at "picking the best option"...

However, to answer your initial question:
ND is killing EU if this keeps up, if he hasn't achieved that already.


And apparently, nobody really want's to stop him, SEE appears to do nothing at all, and the comment from MA on "scannergate" was nothing but a cruel joke.
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I missed the quote on the scanners.. Can you post a link :)

In the end this is where things lie. Until MA/SEE make an anouncement, this might be status quo??!! :scratch2:

found it: https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...rom-MindArk-Balancing-Team&highlight=scanners
 
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First of all, MA designs the spawn size, from what I understand. Why is it a lot better there? Why mining fields are clean without too much BS in all of them?

Some mining fields on some lands have clean typo, clean crystals, clay melchi, clean whatever crap. You can never get anything like this on calypso, even tho there is larger player base. You always get a good thing with some BS in it. But not on those special lands... Where is the balancing there?
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You hit the nail right on the head with this post..... so why post another NEVERDIE whine thread? I thought you were a little more intelligent than this..... Cry about MindArk NOT a planet partner taking advantage of whatever MindArk has to offer them.

I wonder if a hypothetical "Planet Blackhawk" would turn down the opportunity to get a GOOD Malcruentor spawn?

Menace
 
Personally, I think each 'planet system' should be totally self contained in relation to item movement.

In this game the economy is immensly important; possibly the single most important aspect when considering long term sustainability. But the economy is fragile. By trying to get a short term boost to his playbase NeverDie has already ruined parts of Calypso's economic system. (PvP mining MU, Scanners, ect) Until NeverDie grows up I doubt if this will change. How long until he drops 5 tt value pure black cloths like candy... ruining the tailoring profession? How long will skill value hold up with repeatable missions? What will happen if ESIs fall to 110% MU? In the end a system's economy depends on it's weakest link. Why create a long chain system with unreliable Planet Partners?
 
Saying what I have always said... Some day when people have had enough of him they will understand... He just keeps doing shit over and over again, hopefully one day he will cross the line AGAIN and that time MA will notice it.





I say dig up all he owns and throw it away until he stops using that insider information for his own profit!


I for one ain't investing huge until I see some proper actions from MA...
 
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Calypso is not owned by Neverdie, no. :)

Regarding the old Calypso mobs appearing on Rocktropia, there's a simple explanation for that. When FPC and MindArk split there was a dividing of assets, including mobs and item designs. The mobs and items that went to MindArk was put in a Shared Folder which all Planet Partners can use from. Kind of a Planet Partner Starter Kit, of sorts.

This is also one of the reasons for the Shinkiba. We wanted to make a version which was entirely our own (and more kick-ass.)

BlackHawk said:
First of all, MA designs the spawn size, from what I understand. Why is it a lot better there? Why mining fields are clean without too much BS in all of them?
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MindArk isn't necessarily behind the spawn size, no. Planet Partners can also script spawns, how many and where its placed. As for the mining fields, I don't have any insight to that. :/

Also, if we feel any other Planet Partners are somehow disrupting our Planet, make note that would be something we'd deal with internally, not on a community forum. We're taking it seriously though, and the feedback which you provide here will be made use of.
 
Nice to see a fast response to this from you Hanne :)
 
Hanne|SDS said:
Also, if we feel any other Planet Partners are somehow disrupting our Planet, make note that would be something we'd deal with internally, not on a community forum. We're taking it seriously though, and the feedback which you provide here will be made use of.
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Quite silly, even if i prefer things to be sorted out in private usually - players seeing no reaction at all will have that good old "MA doesn't give a damn" feeling, and atm, it just looks like "hey, surprise, SEE doesn't give a damn either"...

There's hardly anything worse you could do - publish what actions you take, or soon there will be no player giving a damn anymore...
 
BlackHawk said:
The scam is that HE KNEW hell will be made.
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Anyone with a half a Brain knew that mini-worlds like this would be made.
Both cnd and cp have been successful on Calypso. Treasure Island and Medusa's head, plus all the land areas for which I do not know the history of.

Of course there will be places technically similar to these an most if not all new planets. (by technically the same, I mean having the same function with a different look and storyline) (maybe not at initial release, but eventually) (remember its been a year that Rocktropia has been active already)

Until a few months ago I thought that you were an intelligent person who had studied the game. The only way you could not have foreseen this is if you had not WANTED to. It is often that our own desires blind us from the obvious.



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the absolute lack of creativity (same arrangement, same amount of domes/mines, probably the same hitrate-system) really astonishes me :confused:
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My guess would be that the mining/hitrate system is part of the system provided by the Mind Ark platform. If that is true then in order to implement a 3rd mining system would require the studio requesting MA to do it and then waiting for them to decide if/when they wanted to, or if it would be beneficial to the platform. Obviously it was easier for either NDS or MA to use a system already developed, regardless of the individual studios desire.

Mega said:
Well I think all planet partners can create extra land, look at Medusa's Head last year as an example.
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Exactly.

BlackHawk said:
Also, the fact that they have on RockTropia spawns of mobs that are on Calypso since always and the spawns on malcruentor, itumatrox and lots of other mobs, are much better on RT than they ever were on Calypso.
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So someone who had actually played the game designed his own planet in a way that players would like it more?
Amazing!

BlackHawk said:
Who would trust to invest in ANYTHING in this game EVER AGAIN? Where is the fairness in this game? Where is the basic decent rule in this virtual universe? Is there any of that? Will there ever be?

Me as a player. Why would I deposit and invest in anything in this game? Why would I tell anyone to even try?
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I don't know you, but from what I have heard this statement/question coming from you is very hypocritical.

It is everyone's dream to become self sustainable in this game on little to no deposits.
It is everyone's dream to get to 10/10 on little to no deposits.
It is everyone's dream to get uber armor and or weapons, faps, tools, etc.. on little to no deposits.
It is everyone's dream to reach a point where all skill gains can be sold because additional skills aren't needed to achieve anything greater. All with little to no deposits.

This is everyone's dream in this game, and it is what I understand you have achieved.
The truth though, that while this is/may be a a dream of mine, anyone who achieves it is a leach on the Universe and in effect is scamming everyone else in the game.

You take the ped from hard working hard playing depositors, and feel it is your due.

So in answer to your own question, if you dont deposit now, how will that change what you did last week in any way? How are you benefiting the universe?

What is destroying the Universe is not necessarily people like you who leach off of society, but by people like you who work hard to damage the reputation of the game itself.

I am not an educated man. (only 2 years of higher education and that was ~15 years ago) But from what I read about Entropy it is the dispersal of energy from within a closed system to the sum of its parts. In affect equalizing the energy amongst everything. Hot areas will loose heat into the colder areas until they become even, etc...

Your very existence within this universe creates an imbalance which you are trying to maintain against the will of the system.

I see your recent posts and negativity as your struggle against a system that sees you as an imbalance that needs corrected.

Open your eyes again (I believe you once knew more than you do now) see where the Universe is going and embrace it. You can 'recreate' yourself to adapt to the changes and succeed.

In order for you to maintain your 'greatness' (wealth or power, or value of items & skills, etc...) you will need to continue to work and adapt with the system. Otherwise a younger generation will overtake you. You can not stop it, and all you accomplish by trying is reduce the potential in yourself.

In summery:
If older players with items and skills do not change with the universe, they are a detriment to the universe.
Younger players trying to become the older players are what bring the necessary replacement ped back into the system.

People like you as well as others posting nothing but hatred for the game and the way the Universe is headed hinder the influx of new players.
NDS and other planets with their advertizing are bringing in new players regardless of how you like their new planets.

Narfi

ps. I don't know for sure, but you may just be getting entertainment from posting controversial things on the forum lately. If this is true, then you may be as intelligent as I had formerly thought, but your actions bring even more disdain than if you were an idiot. (please consider the consequences to your actions before stirring up strife for your own entertainment again)
 
So the Daikiba isnt extinct, its extinct on Calypso. Got it. :)

Pioneer wasnt able to let us know which or how many other mobs were shared, but it looks like we will see more kick ass versions of existing mobs in future mobs then ?

Just keep Argonaut on Calypso and I'll be happy. ;)
 
Hanne|SDS said:
Calypso is not owned by Neverdie, no. :)

Regarding the old Calypso mobs appearing on Rocktropia, there's a simple explanation for that. When FPC and MindArk split there was a dividing of assets, including mobs and item designs. The mobs and items that went to MindArk was put in a Shared Folder which all Planet Partners can use from. Kind of a Planet Partner Starter Kit, of sorts.

This is also one of the reasons for the Shinkiba. We wanted to make a version which was entirely our own (and more kick-ass.)



MindArk isn't necessarily behind the spawn size, no. Planet Partners can also script spawns, how many and where its placed. As for the mining fields, I don't have any insight to that. :/

Also, if we feel any other Planet Partners are somehow disrupting our Planet, make note that would be something we'd deal with internally, not on a community forum. We're taking it seriously though, and the feedback which you provide here will be made use of.
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What is need to FPC take action...
Put you guys in a skin of a dome owner or like squalz our worse then this FOMA...

Fortuna is part of calypso you should protect your shareholders...
 
wizzszz said:
Quite silly, even if i prefer things to be sorted out in private usually - players seeing no reaction at all will have that good old "MA doesn't give a damn" feeling, and atm, it just looks like "hey, surprise, SEE doesn't give a damn either"...

There's hardly anything worse you could do - publish what actions you take, or soon there will be no player giving a damn anymore...
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Actually, it would just be worse to publish it...

1) Maybe they are not even allowed to publish it?
2) We do not know the "dynamics" of the conversation.
3) It would look bad with Planet Partners arguing back and forth in public, maybe scare away potential players/investers/whatever.
 
narfi said:
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Dear sir. How easy or how hard was or is for me, is none of your business. Again, it is none of your business how much money - a little or a lot - I have or am depositing in this game.

I can assure you that I have helped EU community a lot more than you have with your BS posts and crafting crap on RT forum. Saying that I had my skills easy or that I am a leach on the system shows how ignorant you really are.

The negative posts on this forum are related to FACTS that are probably illegal, and if they are not, they are at minimum IMORAL.

FACT!
NEVERDIE knew he will make an addition to Rocktropia identical with old CND.
FACT!
He never said this in public. No information was released to the public, and only him, as a owner used this in his advantage.

FACT!
Items that never ever droped since pre gold, dropped on mobs on RT.

FACT!

Lots of people I know started selling all their valuable assets after that happened. And if you think this is the reason I sold the imp fap for so low, and not insist on having a uber hunting setup, even tho I have 250 HP, 100+ level in hunting profession and skills to do whatever in this game, you would be right. I do not trust to have lot of cash in any item I am not ready to sell to TT eventually.

Fact!
A lot of this is related to how things are handled.

Fact!
2 years ago, I was one of the most helpful people in game. Not anymore. Can you guess why?
 
wizzszz said:
Quite silly, even if i prefer things to be sorted out in private usually - players seeing no reaction at all will have that good old "MA doesn't give a damn" feeling, and atm, it just looks like "hey, surprise, SEE doesn't give a damn either"...

There's hardly anything worse you could do - publish what actions you take, or soon there will be no player giving a damn anymore...
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Here is a 100 PED bet that the planet partner agreement doesn't let them to.
 
I can understand that MA have some kind of dilemma about adding landareas and similar stuff to other planets. If they not allow a planet partner to add similar assets that other planets have they can be accused of favoring a planet compered to an other. If they add assets, they can cause devaluation of similar assets.

In this case i think, yes Rocktropia should be allowed have "Hell", but it should be in a smaller scale in the start and be allowed to grow when the playerbase grow on the planet.
 
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