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    Quote Originally Posted by billairboy View Post
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    The only thing I can remember right now is the MOON sell

    http://www.entropiauniverse.com/entr...ncements/moon/

    "Revenue generated through participant activity will be shared with the Moon Manager as follows:

    Activity on the moon estate by participants recruited by Moon Manager: 35%
    Activity on the moon estate by all other participants: 10%
    Activity elsewhere within Entropia Universe by participants recruited by the Moon Manager: 25"
    I imagine the Moon Manager gets less than a PP; a PP has more responsibilities. But the splits between the different types of activities might be in a similar ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy B View Post
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    I'm going by tbarmike's comment above though. It seems to me that is crazy unfair on the PP that the activity is on, especially in the long-run if the player essentially has pretty much permanently chosen the new planet over Calypso (and may hence not still be playing if it was still just Calypso).
    it may seem unfair, but the alternative is that you give away substantial revenue to a third party for all those players brought in over the past decade. (recall Planet calypso is owned by MA). in the long term, if a planet partner spends to attract new players they benefit from that regardless of where "their" players go within the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aridash View Post
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    it may seem unfair, but the alternative is that you give away substantial revenue to a third party for all those players brought in over the past decade. (recall Planet calypso is owned by MA). in the long term, if a planet partner spends to attract new players they benefit from that regardless of where "their" players go within the universe.
    Yes, and for sure for PPs to be successful from a platform point of view they need to bring in players. So I see that point. But they also need to be able to retain those players. I kinda think the fairest solution would be for players 'nationalities' to evolve over time based on where the spend their time. If someone gets bored of Calypso, stops playing, and then gets excited about a new planet and comes back, are Calypso really deserving of the bigger share of revenue from them?

    As it stands, you could theoretically be quite successful just by creating a planet consisting of a small rock in the sea with a big sign pointing to the sky saying "Calypso ->", handing out free spaceships and fuel, and doing loads of marketing. You can argue that without the marketing, there would have been no revenue from those players, but equally, with nowhere to go there'd have been no revenue from those players either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy B View Post
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    Yes, and for sure for PPs to be successful from a platform point of view they need to bring in players. So I see that point. But they also need to be able to retain those players. I kinda think the fairest solution would be for players 'nationalities' to evolve over time based on where the spend their time.
    This is possibly the sanest idea I've heard since I joined EU.

    If f.ex. Planet Calypso AB can't retain their customers, they also deserve no money from them - even if they were born on Calypso - one or ten years ago is irrelevant.

    At first I was thinking of a minimum share for the PP where an ava was born, but... no. Just no.

    What's indeed needed is a sliding time(/money) window where the planet the customer spends more time/more money will also get a larger cut of what that customers spends.

    At first blush this could be unfair to existing non-MA PP's, but then I realized there are only 2 actually "independent" (in the loosest form, meaning "Not 100% owned by MA").
    [EDIT: This is to my knowledge - there may have been ad campaigns and other stuff I'm unaware of]
    - PCF - the pilot, repossessed.
    - NI - limbo (definitely dead, but not sure it's yet repossessed)
    - Cyrene - I don't know.
    - RT - still running on a wing and a prayer - but it is running.
    - Arkadia - so far the ONLY PP that has managed to not only create ad-campaigns, but also get and keep customers. Both "fresh blood" and Calypsians moving there.

    So is it fair, or even sane, that PP_X gets anything, at all, from a customer "born" on PP_X's planet but spends, and has been for perhaps a year or more, all time on PP_Y's planet? Definitely not! If PP_X failed to retain that customer they deserve NO money from that customer. PP_Y on the other hand should, as that's the PP and planet that managed to retain the customer.

    What MA would screw up here is obviously how to set "cooldown" periods, and how this sliding scale should work, but the general idea is more than sane.
    Two thumbs up, Jimmy!

    (feel free to replace PP_X with "Planet Calypso AB" and PP_Y with Arkadia)

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    The division of income is:

    50% to MA
    50% to the PP, where this share is evenly divided over the PP which brought the player in, and the PP where the action is.

    So someone brought in from RT, and playing on Calypso:
    50% MA
    25% RT
    25% FPC (or whatever the abbreviation for Planet Calypso is)

    And it is fair planets get something for every active player, wherever they play.Not only for their effort, but it also helps bringing PP together in promoting the universe as a whole, which is vital to the unity of this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wollongong View Post
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    The division of income is:
    [list of default sharing]
    Just for completeness: This is only valid if the PP hasn't paid MA more money up-front (MA is like a junkie - in constant need of cash). Pay more money up-front and you get a larger cut. This was documented as a fact a few years ago, and no time-limit on that different share was documented. Not saying it's still in effect, but without knowing history...

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    And it is fair planets get something for every active player, wherever they play.Not only for their effort, but it also helps bringing PP together in promoting the universe as a whole, which is vital to the unity of this game.
    Here I strongly disagree.

    MA has intentionally sown split between planets, and created incentive for users to not try to visit other planets. I'm obviously talking about space. That displays to me quite clearly that MA, as have been from day 1, do not want unity - the want malevolence.

    Back to all planets getting a cut; With your suggestion, a catastrophic failure like NI (*) would get money without attracting any customers (neither new nor old), and definitely not retaining them. I fail to see, with the system working the way it (currently) does, how such a plan economy would benefit EU, MA, any or any active PP's or customers/end-users. The only entity it would benefit would be the PP's that have abandoned their "planets", as they would get money from here until EU dies (ref. copyright mafia). That doesn't benefit growth. That doesn't benefit anyone but the parasite.

    Perhaps I misunderstood you? If so, please elaborate.

    (*) I'm not saying NI failed all by itself. I rather suspect it was an MA-goon (most likely in the USA) selling the moon to Post, and he was naive enough to trust it. When he got a pebble, he was likely somewhat... disillusioned, and realized the futility (of fighting for his rights) and simply left it to die.

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    ...which rounded up is 5,12...
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    I bet ROI this week will be 5.12

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