A video everyone must watch...

Except that capitalism itself is not actually the problem. You see growth in China aswell. The problem is people, regardless of what system is used. The greed of the "99%" so the speak.
 
bleh. you got any other platform to vistit the video ? @ here we arent able to view any videos with illegal copies of sounds and music .ty GEMA, it fucks up youtube totally.
 
The video can't be viewed in my country but "MOTHER NATURE V/S CAPITALISM" probably tells me everything I need to know about it.
 
The video can't be viewed in my country but "MOTHER NATURE V/S CAPITALISM" probably tells me everything I need to know about it.

That's it complete bullshit trying to capitalize on the recent anti-capitalism sentament started by a bunch of idiots in a park that can't even tell the difference between free market capitalism and the social market capitalism that they live in?
 
That's it complete bullshit trying to capitalize on the recent anti-capitalism sentament started by a bunch of idiots in a park that can't even tell the difference between free market capitalism and the social market capitalism that they live in?

FYI, Serj has been making music with such anti war and anti etc messages for years both solo and in system of a down, well before that stuff.

Example, http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/premiere-serj-tankian-harakiri-20120710

And well, if you think not wanting our planet to die, and trying to do something about it is bullshit, then that tells me everything i probably need to know about you.
 
Great Video the Artist paints a good picture of what I have been trying to say for a long time.
We ether learn to live with Nature as one or we will die from it. Even in game systems could be used to make more of a Ecosystem for a sustainable game.
Nicola Tesla one of the Smartest men to have ever lived. Had to Fight Edison and his Character assassination attempts (discrediting) People thought he was crazy. Alternating Current is used everywhere. Edison was a Douchebag. Where would Humanity be if they helped the guy. Where would humanity be if Edison's Greed was put in a chair and chastised like the child he was.

1 love like it or not. A co Gift economy in sublimation of current game economy is the right thing to do.
 
That's it complete bullshit trying to capitalize on the recent anti-capitalism sentament started by a bunch of idiots in a park that can't even tell the difference between free market capitalism and the social market capitalism that they live in?

Well put. Also that the people behind the video very likely (say 90% chance) live in a free (capitalist) country and probably (say 50% chance) got rich, are already made for life and now feel the urge to force others into socialism in the guise of environmentalism. How far am I off?
 
That's it complete bullshit trying to capitalize on the recent anti-capitalism sentament started by a bunch of idiots in a park that can't even tell the difference between free market capitalism and the social market capitalism that they live in?
Oh yeah we can tell the Difference between love thy neighbor and hate thy neighbor.:scratch2:
 
And well, if you think not wanting our planet to die, and trying to do something about it is bullshit, then that tells me everything i probably need to know about you.

That's not the part that I think is bullshit. It's blaming capitalism that's bullshit, as I said in my first post.

Well put. Also that the people behind the video very likely (say 90% chance) live in a free (capitalist) country and probably (say 50% chance) got rich, are already made for life and now feel the urge to force others into socialism in the guise of environmentalism. How far am I off?



Not far off I'd guess. Although the US has used mixed market for around 70 years, same with Canada.
 
capitalism is the greatest thing in this world...
only reason to wake up in the morning or even try to make something for yourself...
without it we would all be freeloaders living off the system... there wouldnt be a system if all the over taxed capitalists didnt payed into ;)

anyone against capitalism should go occupy something... if they arent already lol
 
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As the first part of the video says, "the human race will eventually die of civilization"

Or we will move out. Mars colinization mission is already in the works. Teams of enviroment experts trying to come up with ways to heat the planet up.
 
I know, there is no country with truely free markets right. Ironicially China could come the closest.

Hong kong is very free market, although owned by China, uses a different market system then the rest of China. Ironic really :)
 
At the very least, this is a very intresting experement to see how people on pcf react to this video that contains a rather important message...

:)
 
At the very least, this is a very intresting experement to see how people on pcf react to this video that contains a rather important message...

:)

I am all for environmentalism as long as it is not horribly abused as a tool to accomplish political goals which is exactly what is happening nearly everywhere in the world.
 
I am all for environmentalism as long as it is not horribly abused as a tool to accomplish political goals which is exactly what is happening nearly everywhere in the world.

What you mean like stopping (insert country here) from bombing the fuck out of (insert another country here) killing millions, many innocents, for nothing but greed?
 
What you mean like stopping (insert country here) from bombing the fuck out of (insert another country here) killing millions, many innocents, for nothing but greed?

You still haven't forgiven Iraq for invading Kuwait for their oil?
 
You don't get it do you, it's not about capitalism or socialism, its not about left or right, its not about black or white. Its not even a matter of what part of the world your from. This goes beyond all of that, its the simple matter of the survival of all life on earth. We need to grow the fuck up, and work together as a whole.

Falls down to the simple question, do you want to die or do you want to live?

Because if we continue on this wasteful corrupt course of death and destruction, and continue to only care about selfish personal gain, all that will happen is we will kill ourselves off, and the whole planet in the process.

As Serj once said in one of his many songs, "We have built our lives without nature in mind, and we have become the disease, but we won't go". And its true, were just a parasite sucking this small pocket of life dry, with no concern for our survival. We think ourselves as special, and bigger and better than anything else in the universe. But the simple fact is we are just as equal as every other atom in the universe, we are the universe.

On the grand scale of things we are so small and insignificant, the sooner people realise this, the better.

Falls down to what we, humans, want our legacy to be.

Are we better than this?
 
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From 2006

 
I want to be a part of a locked thread :D
 
You don't get it do you, it's not about capitalism or socialism, its not about left or right, its not about black or white. This goes beyond all of that, its the simple matter of the survival of all life on earth.

Falls down to the simple question, do you want to die or do you want to live?

Because if we continue on this wasteful corrupt course of death and destruction, and continue to only care about selfish personal gain, all that will happen is we will kill ourselves off, and the whole planet in the process.

As Serj once said in one of his many songs, "We have built our lives without nature in mind, and we have become the disease, but we won't go". And its true, were just a parasite sucking this small pocket of life dry, with no concern for our survival. We think ourselves as special, and bigger and better than anything else in the universe. But the simple fact is we are just as equal as every other atom in the universe, we are the universe.

On the grand scale of things we are so small and insignificant, the sooner people realise this, the better.

Falls down to what we, humans, want our legacy to be.

Are we better than this?

That's all fine and dandy and I agree with most of it. Keep in mind, tho, that humans are always part of nature and everything we do is natural so to speak. There are many examples of animals doing exactly the same as humans: Using up all the resources of a region and then dying off.

However, my point stands: If you use environmentalism as a tool to further your agenda (like taking from productive members of a society and giving to the freeloaders to make them vote for you and give you more power) then you are lower than scum. In the end, this will turn people away from environmentalism but then again the people who use it as a tool don't really care about the environment but only about their power.
 
The video can't be viewed in my country but "MOTHER NATURE V/S CAPITALISM" probably tells me everything I need to know about it.

Not really, dont judge a book by its cover,

Actually, Audrey's "prejudgement" was pretty spot on.

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I want to be a part of a locked thread :D

Yeah, there is this little forum rule:
3.6 - Real-world Controversial Discussion
Discussion of real world politics, nationalism, religion, war, or other similarly controversial topics is NOT permitted or appropriate for this forum. PlanetCalypsoForum, as the game, is a global community with players from many different countries around the world. Discussion of such topics often disrupts the forum community. Therefore, refrain from starting or participating in any such discussions, as they will be deleted from the forum without notice.

I'd say this thread definately qualifies, even if it is in the off-topic -> WLWC section

However, so long as folks can have civil discourse of their disagreements like what's been going on so far, I'll let it stay open.

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Personal opinion:
Great sounding song, but I've never had to believe in the lyrics to enjoy music.

I understand Stave's reason for posting this and what he's trying to say. However, historically speaking, this type of banter almost invariably precedes power grabs by those crying the loudest. It turns out the organizations that push these types of messages the most are simply trying to wrestle power from others using guilt as a weapon.

"Love thy neighbor" is great, unless those that push it intentionally forget to add "...under my rule."
 
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