Titans of Space Investor group 300K (L)

Wow 1000 warpflights ! The time has zoomed by so fast since ToS Normandie became operational a little over a year ago.
Back since the very start i had plans to enable crew and passengers of the Normandie to benefit from the growth and success of their ship of choice.
I introduced the subscription service and the 10% share on subcriptions for referring new subscribers to our service, which has been a way to give out a little reward of the Normandie's success based on this.
But not everyone is a promoter or likes to advertise - i have been spending a great deal of time in thinking up other ways to allow everyone to take part in the exciting venture of ToS Normandie and i came up with a solution which i knew would need time before it could work.
We first needed to prove ourselfs as being a reliable trustworthy service which is in for the long run and we have done amazingly well doing so.
Therefor today is the day where i want to give all Normandie crew and passengers, fans and supporters the possibilty to take part in the further expansion of the ToS fleet (1 mothership operational 'Normandie', 1 mothership in preparation 'Ark Royal').
Today i announce the launch of the 'ToS investor group 300k(L)' - join in and support the growth of the 'to be' largest spacefleet in entropia universe - read about your benefits further below

There is two investment opportunities:

One is the investment to gain crewstatus/vipstatus onboard, so after one years time if you request withdrawel you would get the exact same amount of peds back and your ROI would have been the free passage onboard of the Normandie either as crew or as vip.

3500 ped investment gives crewstatus on the Normandie and her affiliated ships (with an annual subscription fee of 900ped this equals a ROI of 25,71%, compared to a monthly subcription fee of 100ped in crew the ROI would be 34,29%, keep in mind you would get access to all the ships of the fleet as they come into operation not just the Normandie)
7000 ped investment gives vip status on the Normandie and her affiliated ships (with an annual subscription fee of 1800ped this equals a ROI of 25,71%, compared to a monthly subcription fee of 200ped as vip the ROI would be 34,29%, keep in mind you would get access to all the ships of the fleet as they come into operation not just the Normandie)
Alternately 3 CLD's for crewsubscription or 6 CLD's for vip subscription would be accepted (for comparison - the current average ROI of a CLD can be viewed here - http://www.entropiaplanets.com/wiki/Calypso_Land_Deeds - based on a marketvalue of ~1.2k per deed the actual average ROI alltime on CLD's would be 21.43%)
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The second opportunity is to become an investor for a share of revenue generated by the ToS fleet, this is possible with investments of any size up to the current group limit of 300k. In addition to the below listed conditions such an investor would receive free crewstatus if investing more then 12k ped and free vip status if investing more then 20k ped for the time being invested.

50% of the ToS fleets revenue will be payed out to the investors according to their share of the 300k investment volume of the group.
The ROI in the first year of expansion is to be expected between 7-21% but is highly bound to fluctuate based on further developments in space and the development of entropia universe as a whole.
There is no supported way in the system to proove/document daily/monthly or annual income, this will be a trust based investment - your safety will be my reputation and the fact that i want this to be successful to support further expansion in future.
I will keep the right to buy you out of your investments, when preparing stage 2 of the ToS expansion, in this case i will pay an additional 20% on your invested capita.

The payout of revenue share will be done every 6 months after joining the investor group.
All investments will be locked up into the fleet for one year.
withdrawels need to be requested latest 2 months before the year has passed, otherwise the investment will be prelonged by another year.
Exceptions are possible on a case by case base, but will not be guaranteed - keep in mind your money will be invested in the growth of the fleet and therefor needs time to be reliquidated if requested - either by a deposit of myself, a payout from the revenue or through the sale of an spacecraft of the fleet.


The ToS Starfleet is taking offers of current privateer/mothership owners to either sell their ship for peds or a respective share in the ToS investor group.
If becomming part of ToS Starfleet as a current spacecraft owner you will have the option to apply to remain the respective ships captain or pilot and will still be able to utilize the ship for skilling/hunting within the times avaiable in the ToS schedules and according to the ToS Rules of conduct and also be able to perform documented warpflights for personal needs if covering the costs or ressources needed.

The expansion goal for the first stage is the aquisition of 4 spacecrafts and to raise them to secure SI levels where needed before putting them into operation - thereby growing the entire fleet into 6 very strong spacecrafts.
Each spacecraft will be assigned to operate one planet (existing ones and those still to come), with the ToS Normandie running the main transport route and watching as a guardian over the other ships of the fleet rdy to warp in should any of the ships need help.
All ships of the fleet will run an interconnected flightschedule allowing passengers a straight flight from and to calypso and switching between spacecrafts to reach all planets in the universe.
Summoning for all ships will be provided at calypso and for ToS Normandie on Arkadia, other planets will require passengers to fly up by shuttle to join the flight until mindark implements a solution to assign summoning rights to the respective ships captain.
Our aim will be to have motherships with atmospheric departure possibility for calypso, arkadia and rocktropia plus maybe one other planet and to run privateers for the remote / less traffic planets/places(stations (in case mindark opens up some good deep space hunting grounds in the near future),foma,crystal palace).
Please be aware that the aquisition and upgrade of several spacecrafts at economical prices as well as getting them to work operational with a reliable crew that has been trained on the ToS Normandie before will take time and might exceed the first year of this investment group even if the needed capita is raised early on.
Therefor the raised investment capita will be held for maximum gains in CLD's until we can make a good deal in spacecraft aquisition.
Any ROI gained from CLD's will count to the revenue of the ToS fleet and be redistributed together with the revenue from spacecrafts according to the conditions of the investor group listed above.
If you have any questions please dont hesitate to contact me for further info.

*1 - Keep in mind even as an investor you will still have to obide by the ToS rules of conduct while onboard or in the fleets vicinity, failure will result in an payout of the investment within 2 months time without any bonus.


Kind regards
John Black Knight

FAQ


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Q:
If investment is made with CLDs, will a like number of CLDs be returned when (if) the investor chooses to withdraw? (Great Dane)

A:
Wheter CLD's can be returned or not will depend if the Investor group is still holding CLD's at the time of withdrawel or if all money has been invested in spacecrafts. There will be the option for investors to notify if they would like to receive their CLD's back at a time of withdrawel so that a certain amount of CLD's can be kept for such withdrawel requests. This request will need to be put up when making the investment and can not be changed later on should market values change.


Q:
In case of emergency, lets say you get sick and you dont have acces to internet and EU, who will be second in charge? (Babaroga )

A:
I have been ingame since i started this service every single day, i have trustworthy commanding officers in place to keep the service up should i really become unable to do so and i have one highly trustworthy person who agreed to take over and manage a respective payout to investors in case of my death. My account is gold card secured and im the only person with access to it till the moment of the above mentioned case where the access would shift.

Q:
Do you offer any kind of colateral? (Babaroga)

A:
This is the next step up from subscriptions just on a larger scale, it is an trustbased investment in the same form as CLD's which also hold zero TT value. Your security is the reputation of myself and the service which has been build up. The subscription service runs on the trust of many passengers some of which have been subscribing for a years time upfront.

Q:
Will you provide personal info to investors? Or is your avatar reputation only guarantee? (Babaroga)

A:
At this point it is planned to keep this 100% ingame investments, i already have been in talk with some investors who prefer to keep their personal info as well. So i have decided to not do realworld contracts on this stage of the investor group.

Q:
Is it possible to invest smaller amounts over time, on a long-term basis? (Gearate)

A:
Yes this is possible. Investments will be counted to each first of the following month and you can increase your investment once each month. However the respective lockdown of the investment in the fleet for one year will count for each new investment separately. This option also is only possible for as long as there are still free shares of the 300k limited group avaiable.
The above mentioned investment method is only avaiable for the shares in revenue not for the free crew or vipstatus - those amounts have to be paid in one go.

Q:
Is it possible to invest as Soc? (Mr-Joey)

A:
Yes there is 2 ways in which investments as Soc are possible.
#1:
The investment will be registered on the socs name and by the name of the person submitting the investment on behalf of the soc. The soc-leader needs to be present to confirm the investment if the person who is doing the transaction on behalf of the soc is not the leader. Names and investments put together from soc members for the investment under a soc tag are managed soc internal. The person doing the invest on behalf of the soc is elegiable to receive the benefits of free crewstatus or vipstatus when the respective invest is met and therefor utilizing ToS Normandie flights to the benefits of his/her soc. Withdrawel requests can be put up by the socleader or the beforementioned Responsible. The payout occurs to the person who made the investment or if that person is no longer member of the soc to the socleader. Should both persons have changed the current leader and one officer of the soc need to be present to confirm the transaction on behalf of their soc.
Please be aware that ToS starfleet is not responsible for how soc internal investor groups are managed.

#2:
Every soc member does their investment straight with me but mentioning that its a soc investment. The total amount invested by the soc will be calculated by myself - if the investment sums for free crew/vip status are met the socleader will be asked to appoint one person of the soc to receive the benefits. The appointment can be changed by the socleader once per month. Each member of the soc will be able to withdraw on their own.



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List of Investors who have agreed to be named in public:

Investors into fleet revenue share (counting to the 300k limit):
Danka soul needue - 4,500 ped - 28th of july 2012
Hyperion Hype Ayres - 30,000 Ped - 30th of july 2012
Seventy 70 Was - 3,000 Ped - 31st of july 2012
Gearate Nuwokk Dkari - 3,310 Ped - 13th of october 2012
Gearate Nuwokk Dkari - 1,670 Ped - 29th of october 2012
Gandalf GandalfSzary Szary - 20,000 Ped - 6th of June 2013
Mike Freyr Perry - 20,000 Ped - 6th of July 2015
Gill Greed Gush - 22,200 Ped - 5th of June 2016

Investors into free crewstatus (doesnt count to the 300k limit):
Noodles NightOwl O'Shea - 3,500 Ped 26th of august 2012


Gifts received to the improvement of ToS:
Alaina Bonnie Scotia - 1,299 gold ingots - 20th of june 2013

Great initiative and an intriguing opportunity. If investment is made with CLDs, will a like number of CLDs be returned when (if) the investor chooses to withdraw?

nice poster...

Great idea Black, i support your efforts for save and nice space transport...

Questions.

In case of emergency, lets say you get sick and you dont have acces to internet and EU, who will be second in charge? I hope it wont happen and you will live 100 years at least

Dou your familiy members have acces to your account?

Do you offer any kind of colateral?

Will you provide personal info to investors? Or is your avatar reputation only guarantee?

Thx for info, i wish you luck... to you and to MS Normandie

Babaroga

Best of luck to you

You should do some Mothership battles when you have aquired your fleet, could be a fun way to test the skills of your crews and display some cool stuff to get more people interested in space

I feel very proud to be a part of this Commander,on behalf of the Loyal crew of the ToS Normandie we wish this venture much sucess and as always our heart felt support. I am very much looking forward to what the future will bring, for us, the investors.. and the future of space travel.



PS. The poster is awesome!

Thank you for your great feedback - FAQ has been updated with first questions and answers.

Read up on the first post to learn how to travel between planets for an effective cost per flight of ZERO peds as an ToS Investor (+ atmospheric/station entry fee based on your choice).

John B Knight said:

The expansion goal for the first stage is the aquisition of 4 spacecrafts and to raise them to secure SI levels where needed before putting them into operation - thereby growing the entire fleet into 6 very strong spacecrafts.
Each spacecraft will be assigned to operate one planet (existing ones and those still to come), with the ToS Normandie running the main transport route and watching as a guardian over the other ships of the fleet rdy to warp in should any of the ships need help.
All ships of the fleet will run an interconnected flightschedule allowing passengers a straight flight from and to calypso and switching between spacecrafts to reach all planets in the universe.

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Basically, you'll be using Calypso Space Station as the Titans of Space departure hub, in much the same way as British Airways might use London Heathrow or Air France might use Paris Charles-de-Guelle (spelling?) for interconnecting flights. I love the vision of this.

One question, will MindArk allow you to add the "ToS" label to the Normandie so that "Tos Normandie" (and all your other craft) is visible in game? It'll make each component of your fleet instantly recognisable to everyone.

Instead of buying new spacecraft, why not hiring new crew group? Does the current volume of customer reaches its peak limit, which might require an extra spacecraft? Does Normandie fly 24/7, hence comes the need of the new spacecraft? I understand that one spacecraft may looks inadequate, but 2 is more than enough.

Nice investment, nice plan, nice vision. But my question is whether it is needed.

Question

Is it possible to invest smaller amounts over time, on a long-term basis?

The concept I have in mind would be a vesting process. Partial shares would have to reach maturity before withdrawels would be possible without penalty.

Example:

400 PED monthly investment.

400 PED invested January 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on January 1, 2014
400 PED invested February 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on February 1, 2014
400 PED invested March 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on March 1, 2014
400 PED invested April 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on April 1, 2014
400 PED invested May 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on May 1, 2014
400 PED invested June 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on June 1, 2014
400 PED invested July 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on July 1, 2014
400 PED invested August 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on August 1, 2014
400 PED invested September 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on September 1, 2014
400 PED invested October 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on October 1, 2014
400 PED invested November 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on November 1, 2014
400 PED invested December 1, 2013 would become 100% vested on December 1, 2014

As of December 1 2014, the investor would be 100% vested on all payments, and would be eligible to withdraw all payments from FY2013 without any penalty, as well as being eligible for ROI from vested shares/partial shares.

This would be the theory, anyhow. Could such an investment strategy apply to all current investment options?

Kinda sceptic on the profitability levels you are offering. From what I have seen it's kinda hard to even break even or get a very small profit.

On the same topic one more thing - another thing is that you are introducing more ships... Ok, I can understand that leaving ships at different planets could save time/money because you don't have to fly/warp somewhere else to pick someone up, but on the other hand the demand for space travel still seems very low and limited. Also more and more ships are offering services, so...

Futurama said:

Kinda sceptic on the profitability levels you are offering. From what I have seen it's kinda hard to even break even or get a very small profit.

On the same topic one more thing - another thing is that you are introducing more ships... Ok, I can understand that leaving ships at different planets could save time/money because you don't have to fly/warp somewhere else to pick someone up, but on the other hand the demand for space travel still seems very low and limited. Also more and more ships are offering services, so...

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Anyone investing wishes in the first place the prosperity and growth of each planet and the Entropia Universe as a whole. Hence this vision of ToS looks like very much in sinergy with it trying to use the tools given to achieve a better enjoyment of the game itself.

nlnforever said:

Nice investment, nice plan, nice vision. But my question is whether it is needed.

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Futurama said:

demand for space travel still seems very low and limited. Also more and more ships are offering services, so...

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Is it not better to plan and prepare for the future before the future happens?

Nighthawk said:

Is it not better to plan and prepare for the future before the future happens?

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We have been "preparing" for that huge influx of players for many years now...

Don't forget the humble beginnings we had in our orange overalls and some shipping containers on Calypso. Planets, spaceflight, and land vehicles were a crazy entropian's dream.

In case you're overlooking the patterns... look at what's happening here.... right in front of our eyes.... are gigantic space FLEETS forming... mergers of privateers and motherships to form space allegiances, Corporations, and formidable political Armadas of the future!

These are seeds... give them time to bear fruit.

(Beginnings of the EVE online universe is already taking shape.... providing MA doesn't blunder in and mess it all up... yet again!)

I’ve been struggling how to respond to John’s latest announcement and have wondered even if I should, however I’ll attempt to take a natural viewpoint and add some comments anyway.

Maybe leasing new ships might be a more sensible business option rather than the purchase of new ships, although I guess the management of guest lists for leased ships might come with its own disadvantages. Even so any leasing issues could be reconsidered by MA so a majority of assets don’t end up in the hands of the few over time.

If John’s latest plans are successful at the very least this displays a much wider audience are interested in space investment and development than maybe previously thought. So it will be interesting how well Johns offer will be received by the community, and what the clever people at mindark might want to do to balance the good and bad of an alliance of “good” ships.

I’m sure John does very well on a subscription basis for the Normandie. If I was to invest myself, I would certainly want to consider if it was subscriptions that was driving his transportation business or actual utilisation (the gym membership scenario)

There certainly is a lot of trust involved with handing over investments to other avatars. Regardless how trustworthy the holder/trustee of those investments appears to be, I would suggest a clear contract is drawn up with any of those investing considerable sums. If John was to die holding all investments, there could well be issues with the ownership of his estate. Just because John is a nice man, doesn’t mean his family might be when we are talking of assets worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I have heard that MA has stayed away from introducing “group” owned assets system in the past, on the basis that some wealthy ubers could end up hoarding a majority of the equipment, so unfortunately there is unlikely to be any in-game asset management ownership system to assistant with John’s plans in the future.

There’re many such schemes in game, soc assets, medusa head consortium are just some examples, if comfortable going down this road I wish those involved every success.

We all have our own agendas regarding our in-game investments, mine was to attempt to own a reasonable number of CLD’s. I did that, although to revinvest that investment into another investment sounds like moving into the realms of derivatives to me. Kind of makes me smile, thinking about the banking industry (I’m no banker).

On a personal level, I’ll continue to hold my CLDs. I’ve always been a solo lone ranger type of guy anyway,...out for my own small slice of the world domination pie.

Good luck with this John, anything with a focus on space is good in my book. If this gets ships that are currently not being used into active service that is wonderful news.

Hope you don’t mind me sitting on the fence with this one, and big congratulations regarding 1000 completed warp-flights.


Rick.

interesting idea, but potential investors, just remember that "All Trades are Final" according to Mindark... Not saying this is a scam, just that if it does turn out to be one, MA won't have your back.

Thank you Hype for joining the investor group and agreeing to be publicly named

Hyperion Hype Ayres - 30,000 Ped - 30th of july 2012

Thank you Shard-Angel for joining as investor

Shard-Angel - 3000 Ped - 31st of july 2012

Thank you Seventy 70 Was for joining ToS fleet as investor

Seventy 70 Was - 3000 Ped - 31st of july 2012

Danka soul needue - 4500 ped - dated back on startdate 28th july 2012 due to investing already before investor group conditions were set - listed due to agreeing to be named

Dusk said:

Basically, you'll be using Calypso Space Station as the Titans of Space departure hub, in much the same way as British Airways might use London Heathrow or Air France might use Paris Charles-de-Guelle (spelling?) for interconnecting flights. I love the vision of this.

One question, will MindArk allow you to add the "ToS" label to the Normandie so that "Tos Normandie" (and all your other craft) is visible in game? It'll make each component of your fleet instantly recognisable to everyone.

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So far it would be only recognizeable by my name displaying on them, however i have put up support cases for consideration to mindark since nearly a year for customizable spacecrafts and i hope we will get things like being able to display the logo or soc tag shortcut infront of the ship name as well as change the ships appearance in a way like shown on the 'future'-pic of ToS Normandie where you can see her in polished chrome and with the ToS logo on her hull as well as additional structures/weapons mounted.
There is also other suggestions of mine put up via support case for fleet management and operational functions.
We will see what the future brings

This looks very interesting.

Is it possible to invest as Soc?

Mr-Joey said:

This looks very interesting.

Is it possible to invest as Soc?

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Thank you Mr-Joey for your question - you will find the respective answer in the updated FAQ on first page

Very proud to be associated

WELL COMMANDER JBK.... ITS UP AND RUNNING..HOPE ALL GOES WELL AND PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS DREAM AND A CREW MEMBER..I have learnt so much since becoming part of the Normandie and the skills acquired thru hard work by self and tutoring by you and all crew

The Soulman

Thank you Noodles for signing up as investor for free crewstatus and agreeing to be officially named

Noodles NightOwl O'Shea - 3,500 Ped 26th of august 2012

I am very pleased to announce that i was finally able to aquire today the Ark Royal which now has joined the Titans of Space starfleet and will be prepared for operation

Congratulations!!!!!

John B Knight said:

I am very pleased to announce that i was finally able to aquire today the Ark Royal which now has joined the Titans of Space starfleet and will be prepared for operation

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Big Congratulations John!! Titans Of Space is getting Bigger and Bigger! Much success to ToS!..