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oof. biggun's a comin

In latest "minink sistem" this easily can end in fashion of "über diarrhea", consisting from series of 4-digits shithits.

Tho, I promise 145% that I will showoff with A.T.H. letters in September.
 
In latest "minink sistem" this easily can end in fashion of "über diarrhea", consisting from series of 4-digits shithits.

It seems gone a bit insane at the moment. In the last ~2k unamped drops, I've had exactly one multiplier. That multiplier was 1016. No amples, no sizables, not even a medium - just one massive a week.

Not that I'm complaining, but those without a proper bankroll are screwed.
 
It seems gone a bit insane at the moment. In the last ~2k unamped drops, I've had exactly one multiplier. That multiplier was 1016. No amples, no sizables, not even a medium - just one massive a week.

Not that I'm complaining, but those without a proper bankroll are screwed.

All for hunters "smooth" returns, all for da pokemonz! (smile.jpg)
 
latest:
139052.73 in
112065.15 out
80.59%

overall:
3336016.24 in
2954974.97 out
88.58%
47439.65 until 90% (yep, I should do it in gigantic red font, but it's unprofessional)


 
I'm curious about knowing if you mine in taxed LAs?

HELL is taxed, for example. FOMA, UNDERGROUND. Rarely planetside (because there is 99% untaxed areas with same resources), but sometimes do too.

50/50, if overall taken.
 
HELL is taxed, for example. FOMA, UNDERGROUND. Rarely planetside (because there is 99% untaxed areas with same resources), but sometimes do too.

50/50, if overall taken.

That explains your under 90% returns.
 
That explains your under 90% returns.

Go make 5m turnover and then we will talk about "explanations".

PS: also "explain" it to non-taxed ecofags, who doing large turnovers too.
 
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Go make 5m turnover and then we will talk about "explanations".

PS: also "explain" it to non-taxed ecofags, who doing large turnovers too.

I ll go and explain LA owners where their profits come. If 50% of your runs are taxed no matter what turnover you are giving roughly 2, 5% away and your tt return should be 87.5%.
About ecofags i havent seen that with mining much as most tt spent mostly on bombs and not equiptment.
 
I ll go and explain LA owners where their profits come. If 50% of your runs are taxed no matter what turnover you are giving roughly 2, 5% away and your tt return should be 87.5%.
About ecofags i havent seen that with mining much as most tt spent mostly on bombs and not equiptment.

I repeat: go and make 5m. Hit ATH. Do something close to my "league".

Believe me, I can do basic math too. The problem is - one claims that 90% is "normal", another - 95%, someone can run above 100% for a year.

Mindark is able to write any shit, lately they do that a lot. Still, they even not claiming anything about "TT returns in average", but they did wrote something about "improvement" in those areas.

I, for one, have nice sheet, and if I will show it - many will vomit, hard and far.

I vomit right now, since person who didn't even close to my drop rate is "explaining" to me my faults.
 
I repeat: go and make 5m. Hit ATH. Do something close to my "league".

Believe me, I can do basic math too. The problem is - one claims that 90% is "normal", another - 95%, someone can run above 100% for a year.

Mindark is able to write any shit, lately they do that a lot. Still, they even not claiming anything about "TT returns in average", but they did wrote something about "improvement" in those areas.

I, for one, have nice sheet, and if I will show it - many will vomit, hard and far.

I vomit right now, since person who didn't even close to my drop rate is "explaining" to me my faults.

Hey, sir.

Please can you explain to us underlings the maths behind why you don't think mining in a taxed area would negatively effect your return?
 
Hey, sir.

Please can you explain to us underlings the maths behind why you don't think mining in a taxed area would negatively effect your return?

Sir, firstly you should ask LA owners, why they can't raise tax above 10%, and then think about it. They will not answer, so - ask then MA. MA will not answer too, believe me.

And lastly - even if I am mining on taxed - it doesn't mean that I mining for crap here, also - it would be stupid to explain only by tax (which in my case influences me for ~2.5%) - why my returns since FUCKING JULY became 78%.

From my side - explanation is in Collapso's Auction - which is shrinked from 1000+ pages to fucking 770+.

Explanation is in fucked up craft, where is consumption of resources is at the bottom, compared to previous couple of years. You can look up graphs for most resources, it's just a couple of clicks.

Explanation is also in lot of uber guns and such gear, selling more and more at AH.

Explanation is also in uber-resellers, who just cashed out and quits.

Explanation is also in going down prices for LAs and shit like that.

Explanation is in PPs, who shrinking down their servers (RT, Cyrene)

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Funny, but my peak of 92% was "influenced" by "tax" too?
 
Sir, firstly you should ask LA owners, why they can't raise tax above 10%, and then think about it. They will not answer, so - ask then MA. MA will not answer too, believe me.
I was genuinely interested in what your logic was.

So you believe that tax doesn't effect TT returns because MA essentially swallows the tax defecit by increasing your TT returns by the ammount of tax the LA owner has set?

In which case I would simply say: why would MA give the LA owner the option of 0-10% at all and just set the tax themselves. It isn't really logical, but you are entitled to whatever belief you want. I can't prove otherwise, though your very own log is evidence that your wrong.
And lastly - even if I am mining on taxed - it doesn't mean that I mining for crap here
I don't think anybody implied you were, but we were speaking in terms of TT, not MU.

, also - it would be stupid to explain only by tax (which in my case influences me for ~2.5%) - why my returns since FUCKING JULY became 78%.

I can't answer this. To be honest, it's the only thing like it I've seen. No other log is showing this kind of defecit over so much cycled over this ammount of time. Unfortunate for you, but doesn't seem to be happening to everybody: you are either very unlucky or mis-recording. I won't argue about this.

From my side - explanation is in Collapso's Auction - which is shrinked from 1000+ pages to fucking 770+.

I do not see the correlation, unless you imply because there are less players, your %age of returns would decrease, which isn't logical. Whether there is 100000000000000 ped or 100 ped being cycled platform wide, the return would still be a stable %age, and doesn't effect you personally (markup is a different story). The other answer to this is that EU is a Ponzi scheme, whereby due to a 'decrease in investors' they cannot pay you out the proper return. I won't argue here either, it's up to you what you believe - I can't prove anything either way, all I would say is if you believe this, why are you here?

Explanation is in fucked up craft, where is consumption of resources is at the bottom, compared to previous couple of years. You can look up graphs for most resources, it's just a couple of clicks.

Crafting is indeed broken, the crafting trees are poorly designed and too many of the better items are dropping from hunting.

This doesn't effect your TT returns. It does effect markup, sales volume, and ultimately, the number of players in the game (I believe it is the fundamental flaw in the game). Crafting needs a rehaul and should ideally be a 100% return system, not 90% like mining and hunting.

Explanation is also in lot of uber guns and such gear, selling more and more at AH.
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Explanation is also in uber-resellers, who just cashed out and quits.

Explanation is also in going down prices for LAs and shit like that.

Explanation is in PPs, who shrinking down their servers (RT, Cyrene)

Not sure how this effects your TT returns at all, it can imply many things to do with the state of the economy, but that's a completely different conversation. Again, any of these are only reasons for a low return if EU is a ponzi scheme.

Funny, but my peak of 92% was "influenced" by "tax" too?
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A few years a go, I wrote a thread about binomial distribution on this forum. I feel no need to re-explain this, but feel free to look it up.
 
somebody should remind MA why most of the population of this universe called Entropia joined, the thinking that u can hit a jackpot or anything big, make money or just to get a damn 5 digit/ath in this game was the thing that kept going. what we have now ? just grinding , grinding , grinding for ..... losing and very very small hope for getting big like it used to be and kept the game just fine. Ty MA for the imp loot, we surely like it....
 
I was genuinely interested in what your logic was.

So you believe that tax doesn't effect TT returns because MA essentially swallows the tax defecit by increasing your TT returns by the ammount of tax the LA owner has set?

My POV, and just POV - that 10% is going to MA in any case - taxed is area or non-taxed. Just in case of taxed area - part of those 10% (set by area owner) goes to owner.

That explains, why many people claiming no difference between hunting-mining at taxed or non-taxed areas.

LA owners can test it, I can be even lab rat for it, if someone wish - just put it to top 10%, and I will fuckup myself here. But no one gives a fuck, actually.

In which case I would simply say: why would MA give the LA owner the option of 0-10% at all and just set the tax themselves. It isn't really logical, but you are entitled to whatever belief you want. I can't prove otherwise, though your very own log is evidence that your wrong.

Maybe now you can see some logic in it? Imagine if MA will reveal that it's true?

My very own log is just my very own log - it's not the evidence of my wrongness or rightness - but it's evidence of my experience.

I don't think anybody implied you were, but we were speaking in terms of TT, not MU.

To be clear - I know that my returns will improve later. Question is - when. And that "when" is very flexible lately.

I can't answer this. To be honest, it's the only thing like it I've seen. No other log is showing this kind of defecit over so much cycled over this ammount of time. Unfortunate for you, but doesn't seem to be happening to everybody: you are either very unlucky or mis-recording. I won't argue about this.

I can count on my left hand amount of miners, who skilled naturally to 90lvl miner, so it's okay that you didn't saw "other" logs. And I am not considering myself lucky or unlucky. Funny, that you're (and Twin Peaks experts) always putting me in some "wrong" state. Or it's "unlucky", or it's "my fault", or it's "mis-recording".

I do not see the correlation, unless you imply because there are less players, your %age of returns would decrease, which isn't logical. Whether there is 100000000000000 ped or 100 ped being cycled platform wide, the return would still be a stable %age, and doesn't effect you personally (markup is a different story). The other answer to this is that EU is a Ponzi scheme, whereby due to a 'decrease in investors' they cannot pay you out the proper return. I won't argue here either, it's up to you what you believe - I can't prove anything either way, all I would say is if you believe this, why are you here?

Why I am here? I still have PEDs, and will be here until I have them.

Not sure how this effects your TT returns at all, it can imply many things to do with the state of the economy, but that's a completely different conversation. Again, any of these are only reasons for a low return if EU is a ponzi scheme.

I don't care about TT returns. I care about size of swings (see above).

A few years a go, I wrote a thread about binomial distribution on this forum. I feel no need to re-explain this, but feel free to look it up.

Few years ago, I started mining. Since that I saw many of math theoretics, who doesn't even got in top 100 by practice mining, still, they doing their perfect math. And really math would be perfect, if they would put in equation a force majeure called MindArk.

But feel free to depo 40 bucks and turn it into hundreds of Ks in four years by mining only, then maybe we will have something to discuss.

Some person just come here and asked - I am mining on taxed or not, I answered.

Then you all come with your "explanations". Instead of that - you all better go in game and decay.
 
Then you all come with your "explanations". Instead of that - you all better go in game and decay.

I didnt come here to argue, only to express logic. Of course because that logic defies your belief you see it combative.

I play this game as much as any casual player. I by no means play this game on your scale, I don't have to, enough people like you share their logs so that I can analyse it. The response "go and play on my level" is redundant. If I had that kind of money to throw away on a game, it might be relevant, but not all of us do. It doesn't mean I can't read your stats or anybody elses and make conclusions. Continue with your play, I hope your returns improve.
 
I came, I saw, I subscribed to the thread late
 
My POV, and just POV - that 10% is going to MA in any case - taxed is area or non-taxed. Just in case of taxed area - part of those 10% (set by area owner) goes to owner.

That explains, why many people claiming no difference between hunting-mining at taxed or non-taxed areas.

LA owners can test it, I can be even lab rat for it, if someone wish - just put it to top 10%, and I will fuckup myself here. But no one gives a fuck, actually.

This is wrong.

LA owners get a % tax, set by themselves, of the total loot. This is just % based on TT return, so inherently, MA already takes their cut, then the LA owner.

I.e. 100% -> MA Cut 10-12% -> 90-88% -> LA owner cut 5% -> 85-83% return.

It's been this way since the 06 LAs. 3 years before you started.
 
This is wrong.

LA owners get a % tax, set by themselves, of the total loot. This is just % based on TT return, so inherently, MA already takes their cut, then the LA owner.

I.e. 100% -> MA Cut 10-12% -> 90-88% -> LA owner cut 5% -> 85-83% return.

It's been this way since the 06 LAs. 3 years before you started.

Sure, as I can say - this above "is wrong".

Nobody tested it, AFAIK. MA said nothing about it. There is uber hunters whom I trust, and even they stating "didn't see difference" or "don't know, but I am not buying into your scheme".

It is my POV, nothing more.
 
Sure, as I can say - this above "is wrong".

Nobody tested it, AFAIK. MA said nothing about it. There is uber hunters whom I trust, and even they stating "didn't see difference" or "don't know, but I am not buying into your scheme".

It is my POV, nothing more.

Because nobody tested it , it is wrong? I am quite certain some ppl have tested it. And believe it, if it was as you are claiming it is, players would set it to 10% , as hunters miners wouldnt be affected anyways.
It is not so, even long term hunting logs on taxed areas have shown it.

About me not being in your "league" has nothing to do with it all. Remember economy is same for noobs like me and ubers like you.

Tax is taken from the playerside of the loot and not from Mindark. You surely noted that claims are 4-6% lower on taxed areas.
And that being said, there is nothing more to add to it.

And yes i am noob who doesnt have nearly as much as you have mined, but please maybe stay constructive and lets find the reasoning why you are experiencing below 90% in long term, while many others are doing better than you.
Atm it looks like you like to attack anyone who wants to understand your techniques better.. why? in the end only you would win from it. And yes LA owners would lose.

Have you asked MA simple question, will 50ped loot in 5% taxed area be 47,5 ped loot. and thats it?
 
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I was genuinely interested in what your logic was.

I can't answer this. To be honest, it's the only thing like it I've seen. No other log is showing this kind of defecit over so much cycled over this ammount of time. Unfortunate for you, but doesn't seem to be happening to everybody: you are either very unlucky or mis-recording. I won't argue about this.

I am not a fan of damsel but to be fair, my log (all unamped, so that is a LOT of bombs), before going over to EF was 86% long term, then i got it up to 90% before i hit a 19k duru. The difference is i was largely double bombing, which doesnt help a lot as i was going untaxed areas. But either way another log showing long term 90%.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...roject-TT-returns-90&highlight=90%+tt+returns

But i am with you and believe MA take their cut and then the LA gets their cut. It is the ONLY way that makes sense.

Rgds

Ace
 
latest Smooth Returns:
99139.21 in
80788.66 out
81.49%

overall:
3435155.45 in
3035763.66 out

88.37%

55,876.28 until 90%

So, it's "improving" actually, even today was very sexy "old-style" day - 7 globals planetside in 10 amps. And even fucking SOOTO with 3x beacons - which I didn't saw maybe for a year. Previous SOOTOs (one per two week or even more rare) was with badass 10+ PEC of hans or scales.

Maybe it's because I didn't spread much negativity at PCF lately and didn't killed much people in regular PVP, who knows.

Fuck you all.
 
@Spinage

You do have me wondering about the LA's and MA's cut.

If you buy a LA directly from MA through auction is it really yours? (income)

If they do still take a cut from each LA even after they sold it then that does worry me.
 
101532.19 in
91818.00 out
90.43% <-- all this shit including two four-digit towers, ye

overall:

3574448.39 in
3155742.48 out

88.29%

61261.08 until 90%

VbkHNIL.png


So excited, so excited, still shacking, yay!

Especially exited about current markups, fuckup of everything and bunches of idiots with high amps fuckuping themselves with those markups.

Beautiful beginning of Another Year of Falling Skies.
 
101532.19 in
91818.00 out
90.43% <-- all this shit including two four-digit towers, ye

overall:

3574448.39 in
3155742.48 out

88.29%

61261.08 until 90%

VbkHNIL.png


So excited, so excited, still shacking, yay!

Especially exited about current markups, fuckup of everything and bunches of idiots with high amps fuckuping themselves with those markups.

Beautiful beginning of Another Year of Falling Skies.

Too many people putting up tents on foma and trashing markups. They'll only lose their own ass with markups of huge amps on foma. Soon all will return to normal, or not in which case MA wins and everyone can just hunt. :silly2:
 
101532.19 in
91818.00 out
90.43% <-- all this shit including two four-digit towers, ye

overall:

3574448.39 in
3155742.48 out

88.29%

61261.08 until 90%

VbkHNIL.png


So excited, so excited, still shacking, yay!

Especially exited about current markups, fuckup of everything and bunches of idiots with high amps fuckuping themselves with those markups.

Beautiful beginning of Another Year of Falling Skies.

nice,one more and you are Supreme Masterbater
 
Level is 90 is amazing. That is a LOT of mining! Congrats! :yay:

THREE Sootos! I've never seen one, I can't fathom three, way to go!
 
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