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    UL eMINE (M) + Jaguar (M) Pricecheck

    So, as far as I know eMINE has taken quite a hit to MU, why is that so, and what has the price currently settled at? I'm estimating somewhere around +1900 TT. It still holds value because of the novelty i'm sure, but how about it's stats?

    I've done a lot of research lately on durability, and to tell you the truth...I think this set should be valued more than Jaguar. What I read was 1000 more durability= 1% less decay... 2700 compared to 3250... So .55% less decay if your running Jag.

    Jaguar has 59 Close protection and 27 Firearms, eMINE has 57 Close and 44 Firearms. The extra what, 2-3k PEDs for Jaguar just doesn't seem worth it too me...You get .55% savings in repairs...Of course don't forget to keep in mind how low armor repairs are...Even on 3, 4, even 5 hour hunts.

    So, I suppose to sum things up, i'm asking the value of UL eMINE (M), why has the value decreased so much, the value of Jaguar (M), and will that 2-3k PEDs extra for Jaguar ever truly be saved?
    Last edited by azer639; 05-16-2014 at 22:00.

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    One issue with the Emine is the lower TT value at 274.5, meaning that it will lose protection very quickly. Also, The jaguar has higher impact which is better on many mobs that are impact heavy. The increased cold protection jaguar offers is better for feffox, korwil, and other mobs, while the acid protection and better impact rating is good for prots etc.
    The firearms protection is almost irrelevant as jaguar is most used as close protection armor but the 16 burn and 11 pen would be better then emine on most lower levels bots etc. Also, the 20 shrapnel protection offered by emine should almost not be considered when going up against a v-rex 2k sga doing 300+ damage..
    Not to mention the jaguar/tiger armors are pretty nice looking armors in general.

    So in my opinion, these are some of the reason why jaguar deserves a premium price tag compared to emine armor.

    Hope this helps,
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    Quote Originally Posted by azer639 View Post
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    I've done a lot of research lately on durability, and to tell you the truth...I think this set should be valued more than Jaguar. What I read was 1000 more durability= 1% less decay... 2700 compared to 3250... So .55% less decay if your running Jag.
    Suppose you normally do 1k ped runs, and your average armor bill is 5%....
    You are spending 50ped per run on armor.

    Now suppose you change armor and lower your armor decay by .55%
    50ped * 0.55% = 27.5pec savings per 1k ped cycled.
    If you do one run a day, that difference could be made up with 20 AUDs, if 2 runs a day 40, etc...
    http://www.entropiaplanets.com/wiki/...erground_Deeds

    Or just 1 CLD averaging around 3ped a week is ~42pec a day or almost 2 run worth.
    http://www.entropiaplanets.com/wiki/Calypso_Land_Deeds

    Based on this, Jag is worth ~1-3k ped more than emine.

    My personal opinion though is that the only real reason to get jag or emine over Jarhead is for the looks, Jag is one of the best looking armors in game and emine is one of the most unique looking armors in game.

    The non cosmetic differences though just aren't worth the price tags on them right now when you can get a full set of Jarhead including markup for <1k ped.
    Last edited by narfi; 05-16-2014 at 22:51.

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    One issue with the Emine is the lower TT value at 274.5, meaning that it will lose protection very quickly. Also, The jaguar has higher impact which is better on many mobs that are impact heavy. The increased cold protection jaguar offers is better for feffox, korwil, and other mobs, while the acid protection and better impact rating is good for prots etc.
    The firearms protection is almost irrelevant as jaguar is most used as close protection armor but the 16 burn and 11 pen would be better then emine on most lower levels bots etc. Also, the 20 shrapnel protection offered by emine should almost not be considered when going up against a v-rex 2k sga doing 300+ damage..
    Not to mention the jaguar/tiger armors are pretty nice looking armors in general.

    So in my opinion, these are some of the reason why jaguar deserves a premium price tag compared to emine armor.

    Hope this helps,
    Azzah
    Thanks Azzah, you basically just obliterated my reasons for Jag being worse. I hate you for it, but I love you at the same time...I think my opinion might just be a little biased due to the unique look of eMINE...Nothing like a walking ambulance.

    The only 1 advantage eMINE has is the 2 extra points in stab, though I suppose Jag makes up for it in Cut, Imp, Burn, Cold, and Acid haha. Too bad the 7 Electric eMINE holds couldn't be used for more than just pesky Trilomites and Tezlapods. The only true mob eMINE wins on is probably Eviscerators... Still though, for the price, novelty, eye candy, and possible increase in customers for my consistent healing for hire..I'll take eMINE over Jag.

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    Suppose you normally do 1k ped runs, and your average armor bill is 5%....
    You are spending 50ped per run on armor.

    Now suppose you change armor and lower your armor decay by .55%
    50ped * 0.55% = 27.5pec savings per 1k ped cycled.
    If you do one run a day, that difference could be made up with 20 AUDs, if 2 runs a day 40, etc...

    Based on this, Jag is worth ~1-3k ped more than emine.

    My personal opinion though is that the only real reason to get jag or emine over Jarhead is for the looks, Jag is one of the best looking armors in game and emine is one of the most unique looking armors in game.

    The non cosmetic differences though just aren't worth the price tags on them right now when you can get a full set of Jarhead including markup for <1k ped.
    "My personal opinion though is that the only real reason to get jag or emine over Jarhead is for the looks, Jag is one of the best looking armors in game and emine is one of the most unique looking armors in game." I guess that sums it up...Looks like i'm spending all those PEDs so I can join the elite group of walking ambulances! Thanks for the post narfi, much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azer639 View Post
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    I guess that sums it up...Looks like i'm spending all those PEDs so I can join the elite group of walking ambulances! Thanks for the post narfi, much appreciated!
    Cool, you will have to post pictures once you are setup.

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    Used both in my cereer for longer time and i can only back what SirAzzah said. At some point when i upgraded to full tiger (wchich is bit beter overall protection than jaguar) i had e-mine at same time. Don't know if i had them too short to get used to that setup but later bit downgrade to jaguar + nemesis was better suited for mobs lvl 35'ish evader can do comfortably, and also cheaper.

    Look was also important for me. Jag, Tig, Poe are one of the best if not best looking armors ingame...other supremacy, chroniclem MeryMyhem, or senrinel shaped like hardly fit SF clima of game (but thats just my opinion, proly lot of ppl disagree)

    1/2 of time i was using them as protection for miner. On this field I am remebering jag beter. e-mine as for typical miner armor as it was created was too much "glowing" in pvp, wchich costed me being kiled sometimes. Also jag with his beter impact and mixed pen + burn protection was ideal for caly mining as u often encounter bots.

    At those time also weight of Jag was unbeatable and important for miner - 1/10 of what other armours weight but thats not so important novadays.

    All in all my vote goes for Jag even for c.a. 2 k peds more.

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    Liakon has 60 close protection. (30 cold for those special mobs)
    paradox has 60 close protection (33 cut for those special mobs)
    jarhead has 55 close protection.
    Mah'ketta has 32 firearms protection.

    all are cheaper options compared to emine/jaguar

    combo of liakon/jarhead and mah'ketta is still cheaper than getting full emine or jag.

    electric protection you say? get ghost for near tt for the 11 electric
    acid protection you say? do some missions on ark and get viceroy for 14 acid.

    now that you can simply switch armors with 1 click it's no hassle really and you can use specialised armors that have certain advantages on certain mobs compared to all round armors

    check paradox or liakon vs emine or jaguar on small spiders.
    check paradox or liakon vs emine or jaguar on atrox oa
    check paradox vs all of the above vs phasm.
    check liakon vs all of the above vs feffox.
    check viceroy vs all of the above vs leviathan

    for proterons the jaguar is best.
    for eviscerators emine is best.
    Last edited by Spawn; 05-18-2014 at 13:33.

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    Awesome, thanks for the replies shoti and Spawn.

    Now the questions are...What are the current values of the two sets...I just purchased a set of eMINE (Which I am very pleased with), however I feel it's still one of those novelty items that's price isn't determined based off of the most recent sale...If someone really wants a set of eMINE for the looks, i'm sure they'll pay a nice shiny penny for it.

    Jag my estimate is about 8k (which is based off of a recent sale)...So i'm going to say roughly 2500 PED for eMINE and about 8k for Jag, am I in the ballpark?

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    Reason why eMINE is worthless: CAUSE ITīS EFFIN UGLY!!!

    But on a serious note, everything what other people said, competition regarding armor is too damn high nowadays
    and almost every UL-item lost value.

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