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    Plots: Maps of Ithaca and Livas (and list of plot owners)

    Hey all,
    here are maps of the plot areas.

    --- Help appreciated ---
    If you find a bug, missing plot or you have an update on an owner, please let me know, thank you.
    ---
    Please let me know, if I should continue to work on this, thank you.
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    Locations:
    • Livas City: [66407, 85405, 196] (Livas Heights are the plots in the middle, Livas Commons are the plots on the edges).
    • Ithaca City Commons: [70839, 85797, 149]
    • Ithaca City Heights: [70519, 85686, 203]


    See below for:
    • Detailed _real_ costs of the plots
    • List of the owners of each plot
    • Status



    Maps (click the image for fullsize image):

    Livas:



    Ithaca Heights:


    Ithaca Commons: (the three missing plot # will be fixed soon)



    Owners of all plots:
    1) Many plot's owners are listed as "Marcus The Calendar Broker". This happens, when a player buys the plot, but does not claim the plot on the property interface. All plots like this are listed here as "Owner unknown".
    2) as you can see on the maps, not all plot #s are givven. I assume (but this is to be confirmed), that the small plots for monuments etc use the "missing" numbers.
    Thanks to Chiel Rampsy Tondeleir for the support with this posting!


    Livas:
    Livas Heights and Commons are on the same location. On the map, I marked them H-23 (Heights 23) and C-15 (Commons 15)
    Livas Heights - 34 - Chiel Rampsy Tondeleir - M
    Livas Heights - 33 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Heights - 32 - [owner unknown] - S+
    Livas Heights - 30 - Charles Maiato May - S
    Livas Heights - 29 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Heights - 28 - Chris Cole Anderson - S
    Livas Heights - 23 - Michael Commodore Ludgate - S
    Livas Heights - 22 - Rey ReyHeaven Frau - S
    Livas Heights - 21 - Michael Smoerble Stock - M
    Livas Heights - 20 - Michael Smoerble Stock - M
    Livas Heights - 19 - Baron Baron Topper - S
    Livas Heights - 17 - Jos Bernz Bernz - S
    Livas Heights - 15 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S+
    Livas Heights - 14 - Kiba ForstForester Nightwalker - S
    Livas Heights - 13 - Wamder WanderBoy Boy - S
    Livas Heights - 12 - Eon Ost Turf - S
    Livas Heights - 11 - Julius Liberation Pride - S+
    Livas Heights - 9 - MM Milkman MM - S
    Livas Heights - 8 - Telochka Ivanova Ivanova - S+
    Livas Heights - 6 - Ophelya Nerfy Covenant - S
    Livas Heights - 5 - Ophelya Nerfy Covenant - S
    Livas Heights - 3 - Ophelya Nerfy Covenant - S
    Livas Heights - 2 - Wamder WanderBoy Boy - M



    Livas Commons - 38 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Commons - 35 - zz Zorkii zz - S
    Livas Commons - 34 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Commons - 33 - Sara Chilbi Taylor - M
    Livas Commons - 32 - [owner unknown] - S+
    Livas Commons - 29 - Chiel Rampsy Tondeleir - L
    Livas Commons - 27 - Baron Baron Topper - S+
    Livas Commons - 26 - [owner unknown] - S+
    Livas Commons - 25 - [owner unknown] - S+
    Livas Commons - 23 - Lord Sconkel Schw - S
    Livas Commons - 20 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S
    Livas Commons - 19 - white psycho beast - S
    Livas Commons - 17 - Electra Sparks Lightning - S
    Livas Commons - 16 - Remy Master Chief Lebeau - S
    Livas Commons - 15 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Commons - 13 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Commons - 12 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Commons - 10 - Inherent Marxus Legends - M
    Livas Commons - 9 - [owner unknown] - S
    Livas Commons - 8 - Wamder WanderBoy Boy - S
    Livas Commons - 7 - Myk Scott Adanstar - S
    Livas Commons - 6 - Anthony Morkai de Jais - S+
    Livas Commons - 5 - Vavva Voom Straaf - S
    Livas Commons - 4 - Ziggymick Ziggy Richards - S





    Ithaca Heights:
    Ithaca Heights - 14 - Forgoth Forgo Lundain - S+
    Ithaca Heights - 13 - Storm Spawn Bootcamp - S
    Ithaca Heights - 12 - Slikii Butterknife Thundersauce - S
    Ithaca Heights - 11 - Teiwaz Storm Ing - S
    Ithaca Heights - 10 - Mateusz Mefju Zwiadowca - S
    Ithaca Heights - 9 - Mateusz Mefju Zwiadowca - S
    Ithaca Heights - 7 - Sara Chilbi Taylor - S+
    Ithaca Heights - 5 - Fiery DarkFire Winter - S
    Ithaca Heights - 4 - Fiery DarkFire Winter - S
    Ithaca Heights - 3 - Chiel Rampsy Tondeleir - L





    Ithaca Commons:
    Ithaca Commons - 65 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 64 - Juliane Emma Morgan - S
    Ithaca Commons - 62 - [owner unknown] - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 61 - Brian BlueIce Basson - S
    Ithaca Commons - 60 - Loonie Tyrant Rooster - S
    Ithaca Commons - 59 - Bjorn Bjorn Longstaff - S
    Ithaca Commons - 58 - Ed Luigui Ward - S
    Ithaca Commons - 57 - Julius Liberation Pride - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 56 - Gionni Gunsy Novembri - S
    Ithaca Commons - 55 - Julius Liberation Pride - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 54 - Cat kitty mountain - S
    Ithaca Commons - 52 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S
    Ithaca Commons - 51 - Baron Baron Topper - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 50 - Skoker Shoe Sverpan - S
    Ithaca Commons - 49 - Wamder WanderBoy Boy - S
    Ithaca Commons - 46 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 45 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 44 - Matthew Matt Graham - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 41 - Ziggymick Ziggy Richards - S
    Ithaca Commons - 40 - [owner unknown] - M
    Ithaca Commons - 39 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 38 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 36 - Cambuurrinse (before: Wamder WanderBoy Boy -> Vi V3r0nyka BitFury) - S
    Ithaca Commons - 35 - Julius Liberation Pride - S
    Ithaca Commons - 33 - Catiana Cat Well - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 32 - White psycho beast - S
    Ithaca Commons - 31 - Noorie Noorie Anwar - M
    Ithaca Commons - 30 - Matthew Matt Graham - M
    Ithaca Commons - 29 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 28 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 25 - BETA BINX BREAKER (was: Joana Jo Hilfreich) - S
    Ithaca Commons - 24 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 23 - Retrac Mike Leachim - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 22 - Demi Deminish Nishap - S
    Ithaca Commons - 21 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 20 - Julius Liberation Pride - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 18 - Teiwaz Storm Ing - L
    Ithaca Commons - 17 - [owner unknown] - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 16 - Kalok skya666 li - S
    Ithaca Commons - 14 - Andrey Andy Russian - S
    Ithaca Commons - 13 - Lord Sconkel Schw - S
    Ithaca Commons - 11 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S+
    Ithaca Commons - 10 - Matthew Matt Graham (was: Giuliano adm Noooob) - S
    Ithaca Commons - 9 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 9 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S
    Ithaca Commons - 8 - Michael Smoerble Stock - S
    Ithaca Commons - 7 - Ziggymick Ziggy Richards - S
    Ithaca Commons - 6 - [owner unknown] - S
    Ithaca Commons - 4 - Ernest Bilko Sgt - M






    Real costs of plots:
    I explain the details of the process to give everyone a detailed idea how much it costs to get the plots:
    • When you purchase a plot from MA, you need CLDs. The CLDs are converted into CLD(X). THis means, you cannot use these CLDs to purchase another plot from MA. For S plots (20x20 meters), you need only CLDs to purchase. For everything bigger (S+, M and L) you need additionally "composite planks". The planks are destroyed during this process.
    • Composite planks are crafted by players. For them you need Short, "normal" and Long Moonleaf Boards. They are harvested with the PH-1 to PH-3 tools.
    • When the plots were released, they started a kind of reverse-"auction" (but it is not an auction!): At the first day, you needed many CLDs and each day, you needed less CLDs to claim a plot. The amount of planks needed for the bigger plots stayed always the same. Examples: one of the first S plots sold needed 27 CLDs, the last ones were sold when you needed 18 CLDs.
    • At the beginning, planks had a MU of 500% to nearly 700% and the price went down to about 400% until most larger plots were claimed.
    • For S plots, you needed no planks. For an S+ plot, you need 1500 planks (TT=1500), M needs 3000 planks and L plots need 5000 planks (= 5000 PEDs TT without MU).
    • When someone purchased a plot, he had a loss in the value of the CDS (as above, converted to CLD(X)) and needed to craft or buy planks at a very high MU.
    • I checked the plots on a daily basis, so I have a good estimation (but not 100% exact) at which MU the planks were bought or crafted, when the majority of the plots were claimed.


    Here's a rough guideline what plots costed the owners (including loss on CLD value and plank costs):
    Week 1, planks at approx 600%:
    S: approx 1.5k
    S+ (40x20): 12k to 15k
    M (40x40): 19k to 23k
    L: (60x60): none sold

    Week 2:
    S: approx 2k
    S+ (40x20): 11k to 12k
    M (40x40): 15k to 20k
    L: (60x60): none sold

    Week 3:
    S: approx 2k
    S+ (40x20): pretty much exact 10k
    M (40x40): 14k to 17k
    L: (60x60): 2 claimed between 25k to 30k, one claimed at 35k

    Week 4:
    S: approx 2.4k
    S+ (40x20): 8k to 10k
    M (40x40): 12 to 15k (MU on planks was very dynamic)
    L: (60x60): not available anymore

    Week 5:
    S+ (40x20): 7k to 9k
    M (40x40): not available anymore
    L: (60x60): not available anymore

    Prices: why do players pay so much more for the plots in auction?
    Basically it's a bet: some players believe, that there won't be any more plots in the next 12 month. Also some players did not have enough CLDs to claim a plot. Or they were not in game in the few days, where players could claim the plots. Other player believe, that MA will release enough plots, to fullfill all CLDs with a plot. It's up to every player on his own to decide, if they think, a plot is worth 100 PEDs or 100k PEDs.


    Status:
    • It is planned, that we will get houses/structures in autumn 2015.
    • No details are gives yet, but most players assume, that farming and fishing will be possible on some plots.
    • Many players claim, that there will be even bigger lots in the near future. But according to the post below from Chiel, this is not the case(!), please click for details.
    • To be continued...

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    For fun only:

    List of top plot owners, sorty by total squarmeters owned:

    Chiel Rampsy Tondeleir 8800
    Michael Smoerble Stock 7200
    Teiwaz Storm Ing 4000
    Julius Liberation Pride 3600
    Wamder WanderBoy Boy 2800
    Sara Chilbi Taylor 2400
    Matthew Matt Graham 2400
    Baron Baron Topper 2000
    Noorie Noorie Anwar 1600
    Inherent Marxus Legends 1600
    Ernest Bilko Sgt 1600
    Ophelya Nerfy Covenant 1200
    Ziggymick Ziggy Richards 1200
    Anthony Morkai de Jais 800
    Fiery DarkFire Winter 800
    Telochka Ivanova Ivanova 800
    Lord Sconkel Schw 800
    white psycho beast 800
    Mateusz Mefju Zwiadowca 800
    Forgoth Forgo Lundain 800
    Catiana Cat Well 800
    Retrac Mike Leachim 800

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    You sir, are a genius.
    Take my rep! This is 1 of the very best posts I've ever seen on this forum!
    Many many thanks!


    1 little thing though, in your post you said
    MA announced, that more plots will come, some will be even bigger.
    This is a misunderstanding that many people are saying, which is not true. MindArk has never said anything like that.

    The mistake comes from the original message of MindArk, which was:

    Development of structures on CLD Estates will be implemented in Autumn 2015, with larger plots planned to accommodate more advanced structures with potential commercial functions such as shopping and more.
    The bold part is what most people think means that in the future larger plots than the current will be added. What MindArk really meant was, that the larger plot-types are planned to have more advanced structures than the smaller plot-types when the buildings are released.

    With which they mean that a large plot will have a more advanced structure than a medium plot, a medium plot will have a more advanced structure than a small+ plot, and a small+ plot will have a more advanced structure than a small plot.


    PS: I made the same mistake at the start, I also thought it meant that they would introduce larger plots later, but if you read it well, that's not what they meant. Just stating this before people are going to rage at MindArk later on if they don't make larger plots than the current ones, as I expect people to say "you promised it" :P
    Last edited by Rampsy; 07-13-2015 at 18:18.

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    +rep, the maps are especially helpful/useful!

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    I notice with livas you have the sizes listed but not for the ithica plots...I have it all written down at home and could provide it to add on later tonight.

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    All plot owners are updated, status from 14.07.2015, 23:00 MA time.

    Also new map images uploaded.

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    subscribing and some + REP well deserved

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    Thank you so much!! wish i had this when i was purchasing my plot to get an idea of the city layouts.

    Im interested to see whether or not location will play a role or not, also does anyone know what the unclaimable plots are or are likely to be?? Could we see some more malls go up for auction?

    Another point i think that hasn't been highlighted is the fact that these are estates and not house plots, so in my eyes there is a strong chance we will have a choice in what type of structure we build on the plots. We all know that we will need to build the structure that goes on the plot and looking at the concept images there are several different styles of structure, including one image where there is no structure and what looks like crops.

    Im very excited to see what happens next!

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