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Switzerland referendum / Vote for basic income

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What I like the sound of most is the "The popular initiative system" where they have to hold a vote on ideas that get a certain number of signatures in a certain amount of time. This would be good for EU.

It is a very interesting idea in theory to have an unconditional wage.
 
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matthew said:
What I like the sound of most is the "The popular initiative system" where they have to hold a vote on ideas that get a certain number of signatures in a certain amount of time. This would be good for EU.
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It is the actual meaning of democracy, not just being able to elect your king or president or parliament who then has free reign until the next period. That's why I call Switzerland the only country actually entitled to call itself democracy.

Russia has done something interesting only recently: The Duma passed a law that every family is entitled to 1 hectare of free land for self-sufficiency, if they wish to go that route.

I think in VR comparable models do not work and are not needed at all, since your avatar doesn't starve if you do nothing.
 
Svarog said:
Paid by those who don't care for basic income? No, thanks.
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This. Income redistribution.. taking money from those that earned it to those that didnt. A very easy way to divide people.. as if the race baiting and political bullshit wasn't enough.
 
I can understand such discussions in America, a country that doesn't face imminent unavoidable collapse of their whole society and culture.
People who are talking about trifle like that in today's Europe are slumbering in some kind of surrogate dreamworld.
 
atomicstorm said:
This. Income redistribution.. taking money from those that earned it to those that didnt. A very easy way to divide people.. as if the race baiting and political bullshit wasn't enough.
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A lot of Europe have a high degree of income redistribution, US have less of it, but overall it's a good thing.
 
How long before this thread gets locked?
 
maxwellhawk said:
How long before this thread gets locked?
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/mod note/ *checks time* about 3 or 4 hrs ...

While the thread topic seemed to be using the RL political issue as a point for discussion of a similar ingame policy, the following posts are intent on making this about discussion of RL political issues.
Unfortunately that's how many of these types of threads seem to inevitably end up.

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Forum Rules said:
3.6 - Real-world Controversial Discussion
Discussion of real world politics, nationalism, religion, war, or other similarly controversial topics is NOT permitted or appropriate for this forum. PlanetCalypsoForum, as the game, is a global community with players from many different countries around the world. Discussion of such topics often disrupts the forum community. Therefore, refrain from starting or participating in any such discussions, as they will be deleted from the forum without notice.
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Forum Rules said:
3.6 - Real-world Controversial Discussion
Discussion of real world politics, nationalism, religion, war, or other similarly controversial topics is NOT permitted or appropriate for this forum. PlanetCalypsoForum, as the game, is a global community with players from many different countries around the world. Discussion of such topics often disrupts the forum community. Therefore, refrain from starting or participating in any such discussions, as they will be deleted from the forum without notice.
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We have a problem here. We have the subject of politics rather suddenly thrust upon us in a VR where people flock to actually evade it. Upon making the forum rule this was not foreseen. There is no way to evade discussions about it now and no justification for stifling it. That it gets out of control easily does not work as a reason to stop it either. If you want to blame someone for doing this to you as moderators, turn to those who had the bright idea of turning this mental holiday resort into another battleground over ideologies.

On the topic of voting procedures, Switzerland is an excellent example and bringing it up was positive. There are many more negative examples. Discussing existing real-world systems as role models for a possible implementation in game is the most natural thing to do and enforcing a dated rule to the letter in this context is as futile as trying to defy gravity.
 
Wrong Thread, sorry
 
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