PlanetCalypsoForum.com :: Entropia Universe Discussion and Resources
Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 62
  1. #51
    Dominant
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Gender | Ingame
    Male | Female
    Avatar
    Xrated La Tina
    Society
    Freelancer
    Posts
    490
    Images
    55

  2. #52
    To explain the massive immigration in Sweden (some 130 000? year 2015, down to ~30 000 year 2016):
    First, it's a basic principle (of Sweden at least) that if you manage to get inside the borders you are allowed to seek asylum. To get inside Sweden, you must first pass the Schengen/European union border, and then make it through Europe. If you seek asylum in a country that's deemed safe, you risk getting sent back there. Nowdays it also includes, if you come from Africa and you originally arrived in Italy you are likely to be sent back to Italy for asylum process there.

    The politicians have made one bad thing, that sounds good in some peoples Eye, but which is really bad if you Think of it. I won't go into it though. (It's a change that makes asylum seekers be more likely to vanish the day they get a denial rather than to be at a known location.)

    Secondly, there is a major conflict in a country (Syria) and because the superpowers until recently coulnd't have agreed what to do (eg Veto in the security council), about a fourth of the population of that country has fled. (Ok, then there are the Afghanistan boys who's been living in Iran.)

    So, yes, Sweden has gotten lots of asylum seekers. However, it's not the same as the term "immigrants" as they are provided housing of their own; and they can be expelled if they aren't granted asylum (or if the government thing they should be seeking asylum in the "first country of arrival").

    Sweden used to have open borders with the other Scandinavian countries, but currently there is border Control in Place. Before you cross the border, transporters are required to ensure you do have some sort of ID (practically applies from Germany and Denmark), and police do passport checks on the trans from Denmark. Especially the ID checks is a nuissance as peopel do have to leave the train and change platform for the ID check to be done.

    So, Sweden doesn't have open borders now.

    And, further down in Europe, countries who don't want to risk the stream of refugees getting stuck there, has built border fences of their own. Hugary was the first example of that, as they absolutely not want a certain category of regugees staying in their country. And there currently is an agreement further upstream, so the refugees who arrive in Greece will be sent to camps in Turkey (close to syrian border..).

    Pretty much only way for refugees is to get through Africa to Libya, and then travel with some sort of raft across the midterrainean sea (practically reaching Italian territory). It's not without risk (people smugglers don't want to get risk getting cought by police and because the "ships" risk getting seized they use cheapest raft possible that is able to leave Libyan coast).

    Oh as for getting your married spouse into Sweden: To get a married spouse over, the spouse nees to make a Residence permit application and get a personal interview at a Swedish embassy. And, for people in Syria, the closest embassy they can get to is the embassy in Khartoum, because the countries with Swedish emassies that's closer require visa to enter and those countries won't issue Visas to syrian Citizens.

    I wonder if USA also wound't have had more asylum seekers if it was possbile to get into USA by land (by foot and with help over borders by smuggler organizations) from Syria...
    Last edited by aia; 02-21-2017 at 09:21.

  3. #53
    Dominant Ranavolana's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2015
    Location
    Gondwana
    Avatar
    Louise Ranavolana Brooks
    Society
    Stockholm Syndrome
    Posts
    468
    Blog Entries
    2
    Images
    48
    Now that was an interesting post UTube Video by Angry Foreigner.

    It puts Donald Trump's attitudes into perspective.

  4. #54
    Stalker Fifth's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2012
    Avatar
    The "Fifth" Entity
    Society
    The Ministry
    Posts
    2,712
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    263
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranavolana View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Now that was an interesting post UTube Video by Angry Foreigner.

    It puts Donald Trump's attitudes into perspective.
    I agree, it's a perfect starting point for people who never bothered to do any fact checking on their own.

    There's an interesting video that quotes Trump (from his interviews over the years). He always knew how hard, thankless job it is. He knew anyone who goes against the Shadow Government ("Deep State" as they call it now) will most likely end up like JFK (John Kennedy).
    He was against Iraq war, predicted the recession is imminent unless there's a major policy change. It didn't change and there was a recession, etc etc.
    At the same time the overwhelming majority (in both parties actually) inside US and all across the world believe Trump is incredibly stupid, little better than an orangutan.
    So there's a mystery for you, an orangutan who's consistently smarter than the whole government of the most powerful country in the world. How to explain this contradiction?
    Idk, maybe there is no explanation at all...


  5. #55
    Dominant
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Gender | Ingame
    Male | Female
    Avatar
    Xrated La Tina
    Society
    Freelancer
    Posts
    490
    Images
    55
    Someone living close to Rinkeby in sweden?


  6. #56
    Stalker Fifth's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2012
    Avatar
    The "Fifth" Entity
    Society
    The Ministry
    Posts
    2,712
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    263
    Quote Originally Posted by XLT View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Someone living close to Rinkeby in sweden?
    That one's in Swedish without translation, for the rest of us outside Sweden maybe this video would be more useful:



    To put this in wider context, those were events Trump was briefed about (US President obviously has his own sources, he doesn't need to rely on CNN or official Swedish TV channels).
    Next thing that happens, journalists from big US TV channels interview the Swedish authorities about those events.
    What do you think a Swedish politician would tell if he's asked about that kind of events? Admit that Oh yes we kinda have let it all go out of hand there's riots everywhere and we lost control over some areas permanently... Well no, ofc he won't say that. That would be a political suicide. You can't really expect a person commit a suicide, even if it's just a political one.
    And so what they say instead is Oh we have no idea what you're talking about! Nothing's happening here it's all calm and nice and multi-culti!

    What you think CNN will do now? Dig deeper or just turn around n say See! We told you Trump is a liar! Here's proof!
    It's not a very hard decision to make if you work for CNN or BBC provided you're not a total idiot and are not ready to get fired the next day.

    That's how things work now, and nobody really cares if you like it or not...
    Last edited by Fifth; 02-21-2017 at 22:18.

  7. #57
    Guardian Hatten's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2014
    Gender | Ingame
    Male | Male
    Location
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    Avatar
    Erik Hatten Londre
    Society
    Sons of Sweden
    Posts
    257
    Images
    5
    I get sad when looking at those videos.

    It's not at all like that, neither in Rinkeby nor in other parts of Sweden. I've been to Rinkeby several times in different errands and I love it, the presence of loads of cultures provides many great things to experience.

    Let's not turn this thread into a discussion about Swedish immigration policies, especially if you aren't Swedish.

  8. #58
    Stalker Fifth's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2012
    Avatar
    The "Fifth" Entity
    Society
    The Ministry
    Posts
    2,712
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    263
    On a second thought, it's not my business to push reality down anyone's throat.
    People have every right to decide what they do with their lives all on their own.

    *Backs up veeery slowly...*
    Last edited by Fifth; 02-21-2017 at 22:38.

  9. #59
    Guardian Hatten's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2014
    Gender | Ingame
    Male | Male
    Location
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    Avatar
    Erik Hatten Londre
    Society
    Sons of Sweden
    Posts
    257
    Images
    5
    Quote Originally Posted by Fifth View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Don't discuss it unless you agree with me! Like aia--you didn't protest it when he made a long winding post about Swedish immigration policies. Now there's those Swedish people who describe actual events and suddenly we should all shut up and not talk about it.

    Taboo Culture at it's best.
    I was only trying to save this forum from more arguing that belongs somewhere else. This is not the place.

    Those videos are excerpts from a larger and more complex situation. It doesnt mean that we shouldnt talk about it but perhaps we should have a more informed discussion (less trumpified) and place these events in a larger context.

    This is however not the place for such discussions, there a lots of different places to do that but this forum is not of them

  10. #60
    Marauder Mac's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2005
    Gender | Ingame
    Male | Male
    Location
    USA
    Avatar
    Mannanan Mac y Lir
    Posts
    5,503
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    138
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatten View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I was only trying to save this forum from more arguing that belongs somewhere else. This is not the place.

    Those videos are excerpts from a larger and more complex situation. It doesnt mean that we shouldnt talk about it but perhaps we should have a more informed discussion (less trumpified) and place these events in a larger context.

    This is however not the place for such discussions, there a lots of different places to do that but this forum is not of them
    I don't know anything about Sweden but I am curious, is this less trumpified and more informed?

    > For Sale: Stuff <




Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Planet Calypso on Twitter  Follow Planet Calypso on Facebook