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    Unmaxed Journey #2 - A-3 Justifier MK.II Improved

    Hello everyone. Once again, I completed an unmaxed journey of a weapon (with deep morale support from friends) to L100.

    So let's break it down.

    This time I started my journey at L82 Hit, L89 Damage. Until approximately February, I did not have any rings of importance.

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    The full run from December 1st-May 31st (Mixed weapons)



    The detail graph of run



    Here you can see where I switched to the IMK2. Also during this time I started doing very long, extended runs.

    The monthly trending of the run



    Big change once I moved from a maxed M83 (91%TT) to IMK2.

    The candlestick trend of the run



    You can see where I switched to the IMK2 and also left Calypso. It is the camel toe part of the graph. Once you reach double camel toe, loot goes sky high! That's the magic formula... camel toes.

    IMK2 Only Portion of Dec-May



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    Couple years ago I had an IMK2 but my level was in the 60s. People have been telling me that I don't know what I am talking about with unmaxed ped leakage (anal leakage anyone?) concept that I have in my formulas. Well, this formula is accurate. See comparison - note that during this time.. my DPP was 3.12 as I had an MK1 scope, MK2 sight and HC204.

    Summary of L6X IMK2 Grind Circa 2015



    It is very clear the differences. My DPP still 3.1X and thus does not warrant 92%TT. However, I was leaking approximately 60ped an hour according to my formula.

    Detail Graph of L6X IMK2 Grind Circa 2015



    The candle stick graph version of this detailed chart is straight down. The red arrows indicate -1000 or worse days. You can see that with this unmaxedness that this level of loss is frequent. Compared to only a couple red arrows in the above graphs while being around 90 or better and the much more frequent green arrows.

    Nothing really needs to be said here because the graphs speak volumes.

    Hypothesis:

    • Being unmaxed is worse than maxed at the same dpp - CONFIRMED
    • Unmaxed weapons can be offset slightly by dpp - CONFIRMED
    • Unmaxed weapons must be avoided at all costs - MIXED


    3rd item is mixed because I seemed to be okay with the IMK2 (just like the Mako) as I reached and exceeded 9.0/10. However, under no circumstances should you enhance while unmaxed. While being unmaxed and running 4% Crit (which would be 6% altogether), I would regularly be around 4.2-5.1. That is a significant loss of crit potential and lose any benefits to buffs. Also, crits offset the 10% evades - that is its function. Having low CHA means that I am penalized further because if I go on a big evade streak, I cannot recover.

    Further note, this will be the last unmaxed test/journey. I have proven all that I needed to.

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    At minimum this should be marked as a point of reference to new players and those who think using unmaxed non-sib is a good idea.

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    As usual, a very thorough and comprehensive body of work. Nice job my friend, I applaud and appreciate your effort.

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    Very very nice work.
    Im wondering have you built a program for these stats?
    Ive got about 800 runs of raw data i wouldnt mind seing in candlestick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carle View Post
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    Very very nice work.
    Im wondering have you built a program for these stats?
    Ive got about 800 runs of raw data i wouldnt mind seing in candlestick.
    Indeed nice to see! And yes he has a super nice web interface built (on top of AWS?).
    There is (was?) a video of it in some post in the mako log thread.

    Glad you finally made great with the imk2 as well atomicstorm
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    Simply put, if it happens in a pvp area I couldn't care less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicstorm View Post
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    [*]Being unmaxed is worse than maxed at the same dpp - CONFIRMED
    Doesn't this mean that the dpp calculation is wrong, not factoring CHA correctly?

    Edit: It is probably in the buffs and enhancers then, which amplify only specific effects most prominently related to critical hits. Have to see the whole picture.
    Last edited by San; 06-03-2017 at 11:00. Reason: answered own question
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    Thanks for your efforst atomicstorm!

    Now I know how people are getting 90-95% TT returns in 2017!

    @grannykillzalot - I hope you are seeing this thread dude... seriously.

    If using imk2 sub lv70/80 you need to be camping markup mobs exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San View Post
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    Doesn't this mean that the dpp calculation is wrong, not factoring CHA correctly?

    Edit: It is probably in the buffs and enhancers then, which amplify only specific effects most prominently related to critical hits. Have to see the whole picture.
    I can tell you my formula sheet is very accurate as noted on my streams. Here are a couple observations:

    • Crits offset evades to get dpp back in line
    • Low crit periods are offset by higher than average damage or higher than expected hit %


    Both are shockingly predictable. The reason why unmaxed is a problem is because of what the weapon's base dpp means to your loot.

    Sinply stated: the base dpp of a weapon, irrespective of it is being maxed, is a hunting condition slider. The imk2 is beyond quantity giving you its edge. If i use an imk2 of same dpp on a huon young, for example, i will kill it for aeound 4.2ped (or so). This is what the multiplers are based on. If i use a piron pbr25, whose dpp is 2.6x, it could be around 5.5 or more. It becomes a condition slider and would potentially be benefitical in high markup environments but the variance is much, much worse.

    While i havent pinned it down with my other program, it appears buffs also move this slider. I am yet to confirm it.

    Now with all that being said, that is your base dpp. It is constant whether unmaxed or not. The reason wht the unmaxed part is bad is because unmaxed has a suppressive/downward effect on you... this is what i refer to as leakage.

    Let us say I shoot 1000 huon young for 4300ped. If i am maxed or not, the system would only give me credit for the 4300ped. If i am unmaxed, it could be 5000ped. This means my run better be pretty damn lucky because i am leaking 700ped during this time.

    I estimated in my formula that i lost almost 8% of my TT when i was in the 60s and it manifested itself in my chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carle View Post
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    Very very nice work.
    Im wondering have you built a program for these stats?
    Ive got about 800 runs of raw data i wouldnt mind seing in candlestick.
    I built this. Took a long time. Only available to me, for now. I have been toying with the idea to make it a subscription service for a while now but it would take time to do and we already have dozens of log tools and i dont know if folks would care for it.

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    For some of the haters, i did about 800ped an hour. So, during this time, i played over 1,000 hours for 102%. I am definitely not the reason for you having bad returns. You are (most likely). Learn about your activities, get better. Stop going to the scam and conspiracy cop out.

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