good bye guys ..

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This isn't even about the EP4 problem anymore... you shouldn't be lobbing abusing at support... They're not gonna flip a switch for you. You're not special, good loot or bad, and just because it looks like someone else is doing better doesn't mean they are. It just means you're fixated on it.

EDIT: I suspect you'll be back. So see you soon.
 
the point is my account got locked......
and
how curtis is able to get MULTIPLE hits over a few day ...
or jeff squal..

but ah well .. its better that i'm gone, no need to spend any more... i can begin to save up and do other stuff then feed half of the greedy entropia people and MA...

they are probably gonna silence me once and for all too , they probably gonna lock me out of pcf as well and confiscate everything...

this is the reward u get for complaining too much... probably use me as a example that it doesnt matter if u deposit, if you so much as dare to complain too much, get ready to be banned. or locked out, without any reasons...

and since they have half the entropia players on their side ... this will be quick and swift...

Talking about me, I actually lost 200k ped on EP4 in the end but that's fine.

I was basically feeling charitable, and "trolling" MindArk in a way, aswell as contributing to the loot pool and Jan Welter Timkrans retirement plan.

Thank you MindArk for being the greatest ever and also the worst people I ever seen, but that is.. another story.:dunce: :scratch2:
 
You are right such company most likely would not risk that, but company's decisions such as introducing EP4 and thread after thread of ''leaving players'' makes you think otherwise.
Introducing a new feature is something entirely different to what we were talking about, though. I agree they have made several questionable decisions in development, EP being one of the most questionable, but it has nothing to do with people's conspiracy theory assumptions of them fiddling with loot on an individual account basis.

"Thread after thread of leaving players"; if those really are up compared to previous years (there has always been rage quit threads around here) I am pretty sure it has to do with worse returns in general for a relatively large chunk of the players and that I would explain with the average eco of the playerbase going higher and higher (thus resulting in worse returns than before for those who still play with same old setups, failing to adapt, well not even realising they have to adapt) while at the same time markups are down (EP has big part in this). Not due to MA striking down on loot of individual accounts or whatever you are insinuating with your post. Loot 2.0 is an attempt of evening this out, is my take, btw.

There are no 'cursed' or 'flagged' accounts in terms of loot return. Can't we just drop this once for all?
 
Say what you want, but Entropia Universe is one gigantic virtual CASINO, no matter if you play ''smart'' or play with low cost, you still gamble.

It's a common thing... some people refuse to not have everything explained in terms that toddlers can understand.
If you can't understand the basic principles of the game, then it must be a casino; if you can't grasp the evolution there must be the aliens or gods :laugh:

Look I am not saying MA is corrupeted or I don't trust entropia universe or anything like that. I love entropia, but I am just suprised how people are so sure and defending company instead of looking into "good bye" players perspective.

The "good bye" players are usually people described above but with the addition of uber drama. They're not just having this revelation, they hope everyone will follow so they don't feel alone. Well, they aren't, there are plenty of people complete strangers to logic that prefer the "alternative" truth, sadly. (I fear the day when people will stop believing in soap :D )
 
(I fear the day when people will stop believing in soap :D )

People believe in soap? :eyecrazy:


As has been said many times, I think most would be better off if they just set a budget amount of expendable money to play with, having NO expectation of getting anything back but green lines.

If someone is comfortable playing WoW for $15 a month, that should be their budget in PE. Play until its gone, then do something else for the rest of the month, chat, fruit walk, sweat, whatever, but don't buy anything with money you don't have in the budget.

I think a lot of issues would not happen if people didn't play over an expendable budget. Once people start "investing" in their avatar by dumping large amounts of cash into the game, more than they would spend on any other game, their whole attitude of expectations change and they are soon disappointed because they don't have realistic expectations about what they are going to get in return for their money.

There is a lot of blame to go around for setting unrealistic expectations in the game. I remember the old PE movie that talked about the grand project of creating the new virtual world with factories etc. Kind of like listening to NEVERDIE's hype that led you to want to be a pioneer and "invest" in the new world. Then when they login, they see the HOF board and think if they just spend enough they too will be on the board because those people on the board and scrolling through global chat must be making money so they can to if they just spend enough, it doesn't take long to figure out that aint how its going to work and then the butthurt begins.
 
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People believe in soap? :eyecrazy:


As has been said many times, I think most would be better off if they just set a budget amount of expendable money to play with, having NO expectation of getting anything back but green lines.

If someone is comfortable playing WoW for $15 a month, that should be their budget in PE. Play until its gone, then do something else for the rest of the month, chat, fruit walk, sweat, whatever, but don't buy anything with money you don't have in the budget.

I think a lot of issues would not happen if people didn't play over an expendable budget. Once people start "investing" in their avatar by dumping large amounts of cash into the game, more than they would spend on any other game, their whole attitude of expectations change and they are soon disappointed because they don't have realistic expectations about what they are going to get in return for their money.

Ppl believe in all kinds of shit man, it's ridiculous :laugh:

That is the healthiest approach to the game, I wish Mac would be the only mentor for all new players :D
 
You got most likely temporarily locked, and probably for insulting MA for your own choices.

They are doing you a favor, seek help for your gambling addiction.

Come back when gambling behavior in check, and gamble in moderation, expect there to be relapses, and that they are normal. Just make sure to keep it in moderation when you become aware of it.

Honestly kudos to MA for being such a kind staff, going above and beyond to even think of your well being, instead of earning the extra cash from a gambling addict.


There was some sarcasm in there but I'll let you figure out which part it was.
 
Sorry to see you leave in this way!

I wont repeat all the other comments about ingame choices that I agree with but one thing no one has mentioned that I will say is that I find it reassuring that MA have locked your account.

When someone clearly has a gambling addiction and becomes overly aggressive/distressed which it sounds like you have done casinos have a Duty of Care to stop this person from further harming themselves. I'm happy to see MA take this action even if its undoubtedly one of their highest turnover players, its completely the right thing to do.

Whether you decide to come back at a more controlled level or you leave forever, I wish you the best of luck :)

You raise an interesting point cc. As a duty of care from Casino's operated in Australia, they are required to operate a responsible gambling program, be it counselling, literature etc.
I guess the same can't be said of MA (or any online gambling venture) when it comes to identify a problem gambler or even if the problem gambler approaches MA with said issue.
 
Im addicted too that damn clicking too but after lossing 100k in 3 days on the lvl4 i switch to the lvl3! But trust me, that is loss to, only difference is it takes more then 5 min to go broke:laugh:
Most days are shitty for all of us that click that bp but we know this and even tho i get !!!!! time and time again on that slot machine i would never lower myself to cry to support about it, cuz it's logic that just as big and easy it can make you rich it always takes back the double! It's gambling and the house always win.
But no worries Baby, ill save you a spot at ashi oil rig next to the rest of us losers that has clicked ourselves broke:laugh:
 
Very sad that it comes to this.

the House always wins my friend.....

and if you are curious about my losses - i have lost but i churn it all - if the machine give me 68k i give it back - rinse and repeat as i am chasing skills and nothing more.....

if i follow the green then it would lead to envy and thats a dark path to head down - you have hit some dam nice ATH's but the problem is you need an ATH thats bigger than possible to recover.


i am sure they will unlock you - we pay for the christmas party's around here ;P
 
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Very sad that it comes to this.

the House always wins my friend.....

and if you are curious about my losses - i have lost but i churn it all - if the machine give me 68k i give it back - rinse and repeat as i am chasing skills and nothing more.....

if i follow the green then it would lead to envy and thats a dark path to head down - you have hit some dam nice ATH's but the problem is you need an ATH thats bigger than possible to recover.


i am sure they will unlock you - we pay for the christmas party's around here ;P


I understand that you and every one elese lost, I know its long terms lost

but you guys are getting hofs to recycle


note my last ath is 190k on march ... I've since lost that + 60k peds of deposites ($6000 usd in a month) + 20 k , it was actually 8k usd in the last 2 months, and my two biggest assest the ring 14 k and the guns 18k both sold at a lost)

here the catch ,, 190 k + 80k + 30 k worth of total (BASE - peds) ,, .. gone in 2 to 3 months ..

I craft day and night and all the hofs just go to 1 mofo..

best yet when it doesn't go to 1 mofo, it went to multiple mofos except me...

I craft 10 hours straight 1 x 3.5 k, someone else logs in , 1 hour, multiple consecutive hofs ...

you tell me if I'm not pissed, I don't even get the chance to cycle, it just depo, poof, depo poof, depo, poof,

1000s depo,1000s gone 1 hour not even..


I don't care if the house, wins , I just want to hit some thing to continue cycling ...

but nooooo , not me, each time I cycled my depo, someon hits a 2k hof, I re depo and before I could start someone hits a 4 k hof ..

it fking makes no sense..

but any way my account is still locked....

and I'm playing 7days to die .. its free....
 
Very sad that it comes to this.

the House always wins my friend.....

and if you are curious about my losses - i have lost but i churn it all - if the machine give me 68k i give it back - rinse and repeat as i am chasing skills and nothing more.....

if i follow the green then it would lead to envy and thats a dark path to head down - you have hit some dam nice ATH's but the problem is you need an ATH thats bigger than possible to recover.


i am sure they will unlock you - we pay for the christmas party's around here ;P

you lost, u depo u hit big, u lost u depo u hit another, then u hith another then another then another

over 4 days ..


I lost, I depo, I hit NOTHING, I depo more, I HIT NOTHING, I depo even more I STILL FKING HIT NOTHING,
never mind, I wait, I sold my ring, I sold my gun, I craft again, 1 x4k , 2x 4k, 1 x 8k, 1x 3.5k, gone ...

I depo more, gone in 5 minutes, I depot even more, then hofs started coming . for masa for you for 2 other noobs ..
me ? ZIP , ZILCH , NADA , check my entropialife , u see what happened to the $3k ped atleast that I depo , 2x 2k ? was the last or 1x 3.5 k ,, nothing else after ..

$100 use to last a day or 2 bcos I would hit 1 or 2x 4 k and then I would stop for abit hunting some proteron and then repeat , and maybe hit a 3k or something..

now, I can depo $500 and get nothing... 50 clicks of fails on auto click, if I click manually I still get some success,

after I get a small hof like 2k, I run the full load on auto and 80+ clicks fail, a few near successes and 0 success in a couple of runs , this is ridiculous... I have max bp and level 86 skills ... useless but still there is some element of skill ..

then again someone logs in and bam bam bam triple kill in 2 hours ..

after that another one logs in and triple kill ,,

basically I depo and craft get no return, and then someone logs it and gets 35k peds ..

fking ridiculous..
 
if I crafted long hours non stop while someone logs in and I am still crafting .. logic dictates that out of 10 hofs I would atleast get a couple ...

couple of days shows that doesn;t occur this way

I can craft multiple days and muiltiple hours, but if someone logs in and he can get multiple hofs for less crafting time , skill and cycles.

this part here is fked up...



the reason is I believe, either or, and,
1) ma has a method to allocate the loot and or switch it off or on or for certain people/ or groups of people

2) the thing is built into the system, that's means it remembers when u get a ath,
the only plausible reason is bcos I have a very recent ath, the system will "NOT" pay me again . no matter how much I have spent, if you considered ath as big as 100k, bcos if u only consider hofs, then it makes no sense that some can get multiple hofs over 10 consecutive days ...

if number 1 is true, we all are just puppets played by the only unrestricted company in the world who offered the first big ass RCE game with no governing authority..

if number 2 is true then the system is designed to eat your peds, and it gets faster and hungrier as the days pass, try and compare how fast you lost ur peds 3 years ago and today ...

we all know the system IS designed to eat your peds over time, but this time span is getting really short really fast... and the system of dynamic loot pays only people who never gotten ath recently

the time between my 3 major ath is roughly 1 year apart..

then again if u consider junkman's two smaller ath, 73k and 81k within a month, then u find that it debunks this,
if it debunks this , then why a part from all the crafters, trop crafters on entropialife, I'm the only one that barely gets any hofs in a period of time, i crafted 5 days straight i get only 2x 4ks , 10 days , 1 x 8 k and 2x 4ks

where as a number of crafters again the usual ones, gets multiple hofs in consecutive days ..

the differences are i got more skills, and more aths ...
they got less skills and 1 or no ath..

then it goes to say people with ath should just quit the game bcos it limite their chances to get more (hardcoded)
look at solo kunrad, no ath for the amount of money he spent, bcos he had a couple before..



and then there is another guy i forgot his name, and laxy now to go fimd, he has a few 4 ks and 1x 8 or 9 k and two 15ks in 2 days ..
but of course he has no ath...
 
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no body wants to see the truth, bcos they just want to blame it all on me being an addict..

FINE I am an addict , but go for your own sake look at the stats ...

for people like me who craft all day ,, and multiple days non stop,,

look at the common people

masa something hond
Curtis
jeff squall
jeff thors
junk man
afew others,

these are the ones u want to watch how much they craft and what they get,
I dont blame jeff for hitting, he should be hitting for the amount of money he spends ,,
I can see junkman crafting a lot
and so did Curtis , and masa

nothing against masa for the couple of days before I was locked, but I'm still pissed
I was crafting before her, for 2 days
when I'm finally broke, she kept hitting multiple hofs... consecutively over a short period,

look at Curtis he has no ath, and he hits atleast 1 uber a day ...

if anybody was interested and if I recalled properly, a period of time between
mid may till early june ,, I barely hit anything , for a few days straight , only globals no hofs, but at that same time, a few crafters hit non-stop...

and the only reason why is they got no ath,
so yeah a lot of people hates me cos I got ath,
but note, that before I even hit the ath, I've already lost nearly 1.5x that ath before I get it..


one simple way to see is scroll thru the multiple pages of globals I have on entropia and u should see I would hit a couple of 2 ks and 4ks ,

note the dates ,, then compare it to other crafters, and see how lucky they are,
but the only difference between us is my ath ..

bottom line , dun care how much u lose, as long as u have ath, prepare to not get frequent hofs no matter how much time and peds u spent crafting, whether or not u have the skills
 
I understand that you and every one elese lost, I know its long terms lost

but you guys are getting hofs to recycle


note my last ath is 190k on march ... I've since lost that + 60k peds of deposites ($6000 usd in a month) + 20 k , it was actually 8k usd in the last 2 months, and my two biggest assest the ring 14 k and the guns 18k both sold at a lost)

here the catch ,, 190 k + 80k + 30 k worth of total (BASE - peds) ,, .. gone in 2 to 3 months ..

I craft day and night and all the hofs just go to 1 mofo..

best yet when it doesn't go to 1 mofo, it went to multiple mofos except me...

I craft 10 hours straight 1 x 3.5 k, someone else logs in , 1 hour, multiple consecutive hofs ...

you tell me if I'm not pissed, I don't even get the chance to cycle, it just depo, poof, depo poof, depo, poof,

1000s depo,1000s gone 1 hour not even..


I don't care if the house, wins , I just want to hit some thing to continue cycling ...

but nooooo , not me, each time I cycled my depo, someon hits a 2k hof, I re depo and before I could start someone hits a 4 k hof ..

it fking makes no sense..

but any way my account is still locked....

and I'm playing 7days to die .. its free....

i will say a few things on this.

firstly for almost 12 months of depo i got nothing - before this i was in your shoes with OA crafting = i crafted non stop and did very well in the early days but nothing over 14k so i stopped i never moaned or sent tickets to support, i just actually stopped playing for a long while, EP came out and i thought there seems an easy way to skill - i mined alot and hit some decent finds both amp'd and un-amped but was purely living to my means - i remember one of the original OA crafters i wont name him but he hit ATH after ATH and lost his ass within a short space of time and you don't see him click at all now anything.

when you are on a loosing streak in EU no matter how much you throw at it - it turns when it wants to not by how much you throw at it. surely you have witnessed this enough - the 2x4k and 8k ones are the pitty hofs

the upwards curves are the opposite and EP crafters appear to be doing well but they are simply trying to get back loses lready lost but they are gone.......

like i said before i chase the unlocks/skills only and but there is no more for me to unlock i will switch to something else like hunting as mining has become a little boring since i contributed to the 0 markup on ores!

in my almost 12 years in EU my biggest hunting loot is 775 odd which is insane when i think back to my depo amount so thats my next target , to chase my hunting unlocks and try get a damn hunting Uber.

try Project ION as well - you might like that !

peace out man and hope to see you back in the ring........
 
no body wants to see the truth, bcos they just want to blame it all on me being an addict..

FINE I am an addict , but go for your own sake look at the stats ...

for people like me who craft all day ,, and multiple days non stop,,

look at the common people

masa something hond
Curtis
jeff squall
jeff thors
junk man
afew others,

these are the ones u want to watch how much they craft and what they get,
I dont blame jeff for hitting, he should be hitting for the amount of money he spends ,,
I can see junkman crafting a lot
and so did Curtis , and masa

nothing against masa for the couple of days before I was locked, but I'm still pissed
I was crafting before her, for 2 days
when I'm finally broke, she kept hitting multiple hofs... consecutively over a short period,

look at Curtis he has no ath, and he hits atleast 1 uber a day ...

if anybody was interested and if I recalled properly, a period of time between
mid may till early june ,, I barely hit anything , for a few days straight , only globals no hofs, but at that same time, a few crafters hit non-stop...

and the only reason why is they got no ath,
so yeah a lot of people hates me cos I got ath,
but note, that before I even hit the ath, I've already lost nearly 1.5x that ath before I get it..


one simple way to see is scroll thru the multiple pages of globals I have on entropia and u should see I would hit a couple of 2 ks and 4ks ,

note the dates ,, then compare it to other crafters, and see how lucky they are,
but the only difference between us is my ath ..

bottom line , dun care how much u lose, as long as u have ath, prepare to not get frequent hofs no matter how much time and peds u spent crafting, whether or not u have the skills

I actually have 2 ATH 68k odd - i wont complain - but they are not as fat as yours ;)
 
You expect that your own depos come back to you in form of hofs and you're absolutely compelled to click until it happens. I don't know where to begin to set this guy straight, and I'm afraid it would fall on deaf ears anyway. You have a problem, and you're in denial. Nobody here means you any harm, quite the opposite. This includes MindArk.
 
TT value crafting is fixed odds... Cannot do better than 95% TT return because of the 95% CoS...

That's why it is important to craft things with MU or things which drop good bps to make back the peds.


An ATH is a gift, if you had invested it wisely you could have played of the returns.
 
I hope when you leave you do something fulfilling with your extra free time. You can talk about the $ lost, but there is also the time lost. I know if you see it as leisure and fun, it is not lost time. But at some point you realize that it is not entertainment but compulsion that make you click.
 
Loot HAVE to suck big time untill next VU so that 98 % of the players notice a slight improvement :)
 
I bet you think at times had you spent all this in a real casino youd have had way way more wins and returns than this scam casino? I am amazed people feel the need to complain like they don't know what this system is and their past track record is, time and time again how people have been shafted....even people with big tangible assets not just depositors...yet if you still carry on depositing and playing there is no one to blame but yourself for thinking there is any honesty or fairness in this system....its nothing but one big scam and fraud....

Time and time again there have been double standards whether you put in small or big it will all go....If you think those official streamers and profiting and you will to your very wrong...Half the world is watching them not literally, no one could give a flying fu** about this shit...but the ones who are they have to see these avatars profit as if their playing and not profiting it defeats the purpose? so they have to get paid for that purpose...

Some learn at $40k loss aka me some at 100k some more some less but as long as you realise and stop that's the main thing...Play small play for fun and if you hit big its a bonus if you don't you just paid for entertainment...the difference in this place is there is no limit to what YOU will pay for entertainment...you set the price....be careful think before you spend...


And the ones claiming their breaking even and their profiting because they are gaining skills...They use that to justify their incompetency and retardedness...you just spent 10 hours grinding broke even and gained what ever skills that arnt worth SHIT...There is people here who have been trying to sell their skills for years and then there are the ones who are giving them away for tt...BRAVO 10, 12 15 years of grinding to sell skills at TT...

Just like in real life before buying something from a company you check reviews and their track record do the same with these money grabbing (Input your Curse here)

BTW... here is some eye candy for you to report krogfan
 
I bet you think at times had you spent all this in a real casino youd have had way way more wins and returns than this scam casino? I am amazed people feel the need to complain like they don't know what this system is and their past track record is, time and time again how people have been shafted....even people with big tangible assets not just depositors...yet if you still carry on depositing and playing there is no one to blame but yourself for thinking there is any honesty or fairness in this system....its nothing but one big scam and fraud....

Time and time again there have been double standards whether you put in small or big it will all go....If you think those official streamers and profiting and you will to your very wrong...Half the world is watching them not literally, no one could give a flying fu** about this shit...but the ones who are they have to see these avatars profit as if their playing and not profiting it defeats the purpose? so they have to get paid for that purpose...

Some learn at $40k loss aka me some at 100k some more some less but as long as you realise and stop that's the main thing...Play small play for fun and if you hit big its a bonus if you don't you just paid for entertainment...the difference in this place is there is no limit to what YOU will pay for entertainment...you set the price....be careful think before you spend...


And the ones claiming their breaking even and their profiting because they are gaining skills...They use that to justify their incompetency and retardedness...you just spent 10 hours grinding broke even and gained what ever skills that arnt worth SHIT...There is people here who have been trying to sell their skills for years and then there are the ones who are giving them away for tt...BRAVO 10, 12 15 years of grinding to sell skills at TT...

Just like in real life before buying something from a company you check reviews and their track record do the same with these money grabbing (Input your Curse here)

BTW... here is some eye candy for you to report krogfan

Nicely said. And more and more threads are apearing to prove it.
 
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