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    Yes.
    Your first line of thought would probably be something like--no but without peds there's nothing to do and you might even risk getting booted off the system eventually.

    Then again, would you even care, as a ghost? All our motivational systems are biochemical. Without a body you'd have none of this left.

    For a normal earthbound homo sapiens, success generates release of neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin which generate positive feelings (joy, fulfillment). Failure is accompanied with the release of different neurotransmitters that move you towards anxiety and depression.
    That's how our body generates motivation, ensures that an organism tries to survive and strive towards goals that help to improve it's life. There is no motivational system in pure rationality. You can easily figure out what helps you to survive but why survival is better than death, there's no purely logical answer.
    Body-less ghost would most likely keep going for a while by the sheer habit and inertia... but eventually it would reach the conclusion that it all really doesn't matter.

    No PEDs? So what...
    The might boot me off and kill me? So what... Do I look like I care? :P

    It's no joy being a ghost. Literally.

    * * *

    To be fair, there's some utility in preserving the pure consciousness (assuming this is technically possible). You can look at it as means to an end. If there's a hope someday your body can be reconstructed too, it might be worth the effort to try to survive the hard times in the ghost form to achieve the full life once again in the future.

    We don't know to what degree the pheromonal glands, neurotransmitters all this biochemical apparatus differs from person to person. Seems to me it can differ quite a lot, and in many very important ways. This may form the very foundation to what we perceive as our personality, that what makes us us.
    If your body, and the info about it's exact characteristics is lost, you'll be provided with a "standard body". You might lose your personality as a result. Which means you'd effectively start a new life. In a very deep sense it wouldn't be you who resumes his/her life in a new body.

    Then again, you'll be free to choose between XX/XY chromosome based setups... and for some people this option alone might be literally the dream of their life come true.
    You cant compare mechanoid with humanoid, neither should the two be combined more or deeper than wearables. There are some lines that should never be crossed. yet this will happen though and will turn out bad. Unfortunatelly. You see, the irresponsible part , is negating the evil-spirit factor. They prefer the flesh for indulgences though, but. And theres the 'but", the assumption that mechanoid is impervious to these uncontrolable forces? Its not a matter of not knowing what these fools are dealing with, underestimating it with extreme dire consiquences. Its the wrong road to immortallity and leads only to eternal despair. there is a road though, only one way. And this, aint it man.

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    CONNECT THE DOTS!!!



    "You have NOT been given a Spirit of fear, but of Power, Love and of Sound Mind."

    The organic Brain, is in fact a "Ghost-Machine". prone to Highjacking and no passanger limit. But this "machine" alone is NOT solelly the exclusive means or object prone to "highjacking' by invizible "forces". Naguahl sorcerers also know the facts and may refer to it as "manitou".


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    Just a request to admin. ( Considdering the direction this thread may go and/or subject matter.)

    The intent is not malice or insult, but open intelligent discussion and sober minded thinking. All angles , scenarios, etc, to be presented on a subject matter. Is it wise to stifle intelligent discussion with cencorship and strong bias, even though the political or escoteric, may be quite rellevent, to the subjectmatter? Please considder it in spirit of tollerance and putting it all on the table to avoid negating important angles on this subject.

    I did these posts as a impartial poster, only putting on the table and will not discuss , defend or atatck it, as what i had posted, is quite self-explanatory. If okay, others may post their views, which I will NOT challenge.

    Thanks.

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    Entropia Universe wants you to be able to upload your consciousness into its MMO world
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    Swedish developer MindArk, creators of the long-running MMO Entropia Universe, have begun working with AI researchers from several universities on a process for uploading human consciousness to their game. MindArk are working with researchers from ...




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    but if everyone is uploaded on the game whos gonna put the money in?

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    Try this game, it is a theory on this idea and what can go wrong:

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/647570/Transference/

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    What about AI going rogue and taking over the world (also known as "Kurzweil's Singularity theory"), I'm not worried about that.
    Why? Simply put, because it's based on faulty premises.

    Let me explain with an example. People tend to think mathematics is like thinking. And vice versa, thinking is like mathematics. But it's not true, the only time when we really think is when we transform the real world items and events into mathematical variables and decide which mathematical formula would express the situation best.
    From then on, the process is purely mechanical. Even a relatively simple computational machine can run the algorithm. This is the math part, but it's not thinking.
    And, we use the human intelligence once again when we take the result of the calculations and interpret them back into the terms of the real world.

    Can't we write an algorithm that will do the interpretation part also? Well, yes and no. We can ofc write algorithms for anything. So in that sense the answer seems to be yes... Trouble is, the world is unpredictable. This means we should write instructions for the situations nobody can foresee. Which is, obviously, impossible.

    OK, but can't a really smart machine handle the new unforeseen situation on it's own? Again, yes and no. We can use all sorts of clever tricks to push machines a little bit further. We can make them able to look at the situation, create a model for it by combining the already known situations, look at the solutions for the known situations and then create a combination from those. This way we can make a machine that can come up with a pretty good estimate for the solution, most of the time... and fail miserably at other times.

    Because machines can't think. And they never will be.

    The real genius of human thinking is when you exit the system, when you think "out of the box", when you create a glitch in the system. Human intuition, the human ingeniousness, the human thinking at it's best is actually an error (if judged according to the strict rules of the current system). Einstein says space can bend and time can stop. From the viewpoint of the Newtonian physics, this is nonsense, this is pure madness. Faulty processor detected, replace with a new one, fix the error.
    Which is true, whenever glitch like this appear s in a machine, it is an error, nothing more.


    So, I'm not worried about runaway super-AI. But, you don't need a superhuman intelligence to create a chaos in the world. You can control the whole mankind with a swarm of specialized AI systems specifically designed for information management/censorship. Communists in the Soviet Union knew this perfectly well. They called it propaganda. They tried to develop this tech into full blown mind control but they didn't have the right tools. Those tools are developed as we speak. We don't know when they will come online, who will control them or what the world will look like.

    We'll see, I suppose, we'll think of something. Because, machines are fast, but dumb. Always were, always will be.

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    I'd settle to be able to upload animation to screens again.

    I'm sure that this upload consciousness brouhaha has given John Jacobs a hard-on.
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    I'd settle to be able to upload animation to screens again.

    I'm sure that this upload consciousness brouhaha has given John Jacobs a hard-on.
    Reminds me of some primitive tribes who believe taking a photo , captures the persons soul. If you retain the vast knowledge of "sorceries" and escoteric knowledge. it kinda does make sense, actually.

    As for ND, hes married to a Nubian Goddess with a beastlly lebido. I doubt the old man can keep up these days, even when popping perscription Viagra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacejanitor View Post
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    Reminds me of some primitive tribes who believe taking a photo , captures the persons soul. If you retain the vast knowledge of "sorceries" and escoteric knowledge. it kinda does make sense, actually.

    *shrug* I just hate it when major systems of a platform are deprecated at whim.

    As for souls, uploaded entities, etc, my greater concern is that even if they could upload a consciousness, I have little doubt that MA would make the damn thing (L).
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