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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    arent you as a buyer, knowing fully well the situation about this LA, responsible for the handling of this event?

    A bit like buying a house which is rented to people. You get the residents in the sale as well!

    I think you shouldn't even have bought it from him. Your putting your own rep at stake here!
    You where fully aware, so don't hide behind chon!

    *edit* and btw, you're not the messenger here. You're the buyer of a claimed LA.
    No. It's not at all like purchasing a home. But it is like purchasing a piece of commercial real estate.

    Lets talk about Steve, Bob, Susan, burgers, and wings.

    Steve purchases a building and outfits it with commercial cooking equipment. He then puts it up for lease.

    Bob comes along and signs a lease with Steve, and opens a restaurant called Bob's All Beef Burgers. Bob sees other restaurants running loyalty programs and having good success with it, so he chooses to run a loyalty rewards program of his own, and it goes well for him. After a while things change for Bob and he decides it is time to retire from the burger business, so he makes a new loyalty program to make his exit.
    In Bob's new loyalty rewards program he states that every 100th cheese burger you purchase from him will give you a ticket for a raffle with 1% chance to receive at-cost burgers at his restaurant for life, and that the raffle would be held after all the tickets were redeemed.
    After nearly a year things aren't going nearly as well as planned, and the raffle tickets are being redeemed at a much slower rate than anticipated. Bob is already living a retirement lifestyle, the burger joint being the last burden remaining to fully retire. So Bob decides to go ahead and shut down his business altogether and retire.

    Steve, the landlord, then puts the building up for lease again.

    Susan comes on scene and chooses to sell chicken wings. Susan decides to run her own loyalty rewards program.
    While Susan is selling food at the same location where Bob was previously selling burgers, Susan is at no obligation to serve free wings or burgers to Bob's former customers.


    Counter argument: Bob wasn't a tenant, though, he was an owner-operator, and he promised not only cheeseburgers but also the building and the commercial kitchen equipment.

    That may be so, but there are several reasons the new owner is under no obligation to compensate Bob's customers.

    First; Bob's loyalty program never put a lien or any kind of contingency plan in place on what happens if the business is shut down before the loyalty program pays out the building.

    Second; Susan purchased the building and the kitchen equipment, not the Burger business. Susan built her own business within the premises and using the same equipment as Bob's old business.

    Third; Bitter as this may be, Bob's Burger Loyalty Rewards Program specifically stated that the raffle would occur AFTER all the tickets had been redeemed. When Bob finally retired, only a small fraction of the raffle tickets had been redeemed.

    Conclusion; While Bob's most loyal burger eaters may request compensation from Bob, Susan is under no obligation to provide free wings, free burgers, or anything else as a result of Bob's loyalty rewards program - whether or not she chooses to run a loyalty program of her own.

    Are there lessons to be learned here? Absolutely. There are lessons for event managers, LA owners, and event participants.

    Final note; Chong has not logged onto PCF since before the LA sale took place, and a technical issue preventing his logging on has been brought up. It is premature to make accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    arent you as a buyer, knowing fully well the situation about this LA, responsible for the handling of this event?

    A bit like buying a house which is rented to people. You get the residents in the sale as well!

    I think you shouldn't even have bought it from him. Your putting your own rep at stake here!
    You where fully aware, so don't hide behind chon!

    *edit* and btw, you're not the messenger here. You're the buyer of a claimed LA.
    Your anger is misdirected. You should be angry at Chong. She is not responsible for the event terminating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    arent you as a buyer, knowing fully well the situation about this LA, responsible for the handling of this event?

    A bit like buying a house which is rented to people. You get the residents in the sale as well!

    I think you shouldn't even have bought it from him. Your putting your own rep at stake here!
    You where fully aware, so don't hide behind chon!

    *edit* and btw, you're not the messenger here. You're the buyer of a claimed LA.
    Upon further consideration, you could view it like buying a house, but under these circumstances it is nothing like a home that is leased. It is somewhat like buying a house from an owner occupant with a family.

    Jack owns a home. In his home he lives with his significant other and 3 child dependents.

    Jack chooses to sell his home.

    Jane buys the home.

    It is not Jane's responsibility to ensure housing for Jack's significant other or the 3 child dependents, even if they were living in the home when Jack sold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicstorm View Post
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    Your anger is misdirected. You should be angry at Chong. She is not responsible for the event terminating.
    I'm not angry.

    It's just lame.

    You buy an estate of which you KNEW it was part of a price being given away.

    Ok, the rented house story was not the best comparison.
    More like buying a STOLEN house!

    Pudding KNEW the estate was under event and it was a price, so why in the first place did he actually buy it?
    NOBODY should have bought that land from that lame chongf#ck.
    It should have been given away to the rightfull winner.

    Ah well, good luck with that cursed land area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack View Post
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    No. It's not at all like purchasing a home. But it is like purchasing a piece of commercial real estate.

    Lets talk about Steve, Bob, Susan, burgers, and wings.

    Steve purchases a building and outfits it with commercial cooking equipment. He then puts it up for lease.

    Bob comes along and signs a lease with Steve, and opens a restaurant called Bob's All Beef Burgers. Bob sees other restaurants running loyalty programs and having good success with it, so he chooses to run a loyalty rewards program of his own, and it goes well for him. After a while things change for Bob and he decides it is time to retire from the burger business, so he makes a new loyalty program to make his exit.
    In Bob's new loyalty rewards program he states that every 100th cheese burger you purchase from him will give you a ticket for a raffle with 1% chance to receive at-cost burgers at his restaurant for life, and that the raffle would be held after all the tickets were redeemed.
    After nearly a year things aren't going nearly as well as planned, and the raffle tickets are being redeemed at a much slower rate than anticipated. Bob is already living a retirement lifestyle, the burger joint being the last burden remaining to fully retire. So Bob decides to go ahead and shut down his business altogether and retire.

    Steve, the landlord, then puts the building up for lease again.

    Susan comes on scene and chooses to sell chicken wings. Susan decides to run her own loyalty rewards program.
    While Susan is selling food at the same location where Bob was previously selling burgers, Susan is at no obligation to serve free wings or burgers to Bob's former customers.


    Counter argument: Bob wasn't a tenant, though, he was an owner-operator, and he promised not only cheeseburgers but also the building and the commercial kitchen equipment.

    That may be so, but there are several reasons the new owner is under no obligation to compensate Bob's customers.

    First; Bob's loyalty program never put a lien or any kind of contingency plan in place on what happens if the business is shut down before the loyalty program pays out the building.

    Second; Susan purchased the building and the kitchen equipment, not the Burger business. Susan built her own business within the premises and using the same equipment as Bob's old business.

    Third; Bitter as this may be, Bob's Burger Loyalty Rewards Program specifically stated that the raffle would occur AFTER all the tickets had been redeemed. When Bob finally retired, only a small fraction of the raffle tickets had been redeemed.

    Conclusion; While Bob's most loyal burger eaters may request compensation from Bob, Susan is under no obligation to provide free wings, free burgers, or anything else as a result of Bob's loyalty rewards program - whether or not she chooses to run a loyalty program of her own.

    Are there lessons to be learned here? Absolutely. There are lessons for event managers, LA owners, and event participants.

    Final note; Chong has not logged onto PCF since before the LA sale took place, and a technical issue preventing his logging on has been brought up. It is premature to make accusations.
    What a weird example.

    The right example would be something from Half-life 2: Ravenholm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack View Post
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    No. It's not at all like purchasing a home. But it is like purchasing a piece of commercial real estate.

    ...

    Conclusion; While Bob's most loyal burger eaters may request compensation from Bob, Susan is under no obligation to provide free wings, free burgers, or anything else as a result of Bob's loyalty rewards program - whether or not she chooses to run a loyalty program of her own.

    Are there lessons to be learned here? Absolutely. There are lessons for event managers, LA owners, and event participants.

    Final note; Chong has not logged onto PCF since before the LA sale took place, and a technical issue preventing his logging on has been brought up. It is premature to make accusations.
    Pfff go to hell Jack, that guy is a god damn douche bag of an excuse for a human being and I'm keeping it clean for the kids.

    And I'm really disappointed of your position on this, I expected more from you...

    That Chongpha guy is a f*cking prick scammer and I hope MA puts his next withdrawal on hold indefinitely.

    I would never even THINK of pulling something like this. I'm a man of my word and am guided by moral values and these things are extremely important in this type of environment (RCE). Just yesterday someone came into my shop and bought the wrong set of armor. After explaining to me what happened, I took it back and refunded the player, because that's the ONLY MORAL THING TO DO.

    Screw that guy, what a piece of sh*t! And MsPudding should NOT HAVE BOUGHT IT KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN PROMISED AS PART OF AN EVENT PRIZE!

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    So, how is pudding going to solve this issue? Undo the deal and give the LA to the rightful winner?

    Or does pudding have no respect for the player base and give everybody the finger?

    Just pretending to be an innocent "messenger" is not going to stick.

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    one sad example more

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    I hope accounts are locked until MA sort this out .

    This is as bad as it gets peeps

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    #alltradesarefinal

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