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    Quote Originally Posted by GxB View Post
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    people who really want to get off the streets can easily do it. especially nowadays with social media and internet. its easier than ever. just get your fucking ass up.
    There are an estimated 192 million people unemployed and estimated 100 million people that are homeless worldwide, yeah their problem is that they don't get off their lazy asses. If you did have that experience, you think you would be a more understanding person as to the plight of others in similar situations or worse than what your situation ever was.

    Instead your one of those people that makes life harder for others and say its only them to blame for their misfortune. Its like telling someone who has depression to just snap out of it, or hardened up, like they used to say before it was diagnosed as a mental illness. Most likely one of those people that makes other peoples job, the bad days as well.

    Again i need to repeat, that im not saying UBI is the answer or should go ahead, but there is something that can be taken from it and modified to be able to help those whose need it. UBI is not intended for people to just do nothing and collect money, its there to offer everyone the ability to have those things that are essential to living...shelter, food, medical, dental, etc.The idea behind it is good, how it can be implemented to help society is the issue, and not enough testing has gone into that or other ways. But governments also don't allow enough studies to happen and/or for long enough time periods.

    If the government had offered you UBI when you were homeless for that short amount of time, i'm pretty sure you would have been delighted and thankful....unfortunately it now seems like you stick your nose up at others.
    Great example of humanity we have here.

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    Typical Socialist: condemn anyone with an alternative viewpoint.

    Why bring in your made-up stats? Reality is simple. Those who have the willingness can make money. At the age of 6 yrs old, I was going door to door selling ear-rings my Mother made (from sea shells) for .25 cents a pair.

    The main problem with too many people, is that they've been indoctrinated to believe the following:

    1) You're a victim.
    The white guy is holding you down - the business owner hates you - the government owes you a living because yes, you are to lazy to work - your neighbor MUST be a crook because he's successful and you aren't - ALL rich people got rich crushing people like you on their way up - you're black - you're brown - you're red - you're woman - you suffer from mental problems, just pick a "victim" category.

    2) You're too ignorant.
    School "failed" you - you weren't taught how to add, multiply, subtract, read, write, etc - the government won't pay for your college (in spite of the fact you can't read or write) - you've been told, so many times, that your problems are because you just aren't smart enough.

    3) No one ever "gave you a break".
    You got caught cheating on a school test and punished, but that wasn't your fault - you lost a baseball game so you punched the other team's catcher, but it was his fault for diss'n you - it wasn't your fault you got thrown out of school just because you hit the teacher - she was diss'n you - you can't keep a job, 'cause "bosses are just stupid" - you still live in your Mother's basement because no one will give you a break.

    A "hand-up" is NOT a "hand-out". Helping someone in need is expected by humanity. Giving someone a permanent hand-out (UBI) is not "help". It's nothing less than degrading a person into nothing more than a paid-voter.

    And yes, if you want to succeed in life, GET OFF YOUR ASS. You are the Captain of your future. Too many people have fallen prey to the BS of those who would control you. You are way more powerful than you have been led to believe.

    And that's what scares "them". And that's why they push Socialism onto you - they fear what you can do if you take the red pill.

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    Nice to see thread active , please be nice and respect others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Revan View Post
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    There are an estimated 192 million people unemployed and estimated 100 million people that are homeless worldwide, yeah their problem is that they don't get off their lazy asses. If you did have that experience, you think you would be a more understanding person as to the plight of others in similar situations or worse than what your situation ever was.

    Instead your one of those people that makes life harder for others and say its only them to blame for their misfortune. Its like telling someone who has depression to just snap out of it, or hardened up, like they used to say before it was diagnosed as a mental illness. Most likely one of those people that makes other peoples job, the bad days as well.

    Again i need to repeat, that im not saying UBI is the answer or should go ahead, but there is something that can be taken from it and modified to be able to help those whose need it. UBI is not intended for people to just do nothing and collect money, its there to offer everyone the ability to have those things that are essential to living...shelter, food, medical, dental, etc.The idea behind it is good, how it can be implemented to help society is the issue, and not enough testing has gone into that or other ways. But governments also don't allow enough studies to happen and/or for long enough time periods.

    If the government had offered you UBI when you were homeless for that short amount of time, i'm pretty sure you would have been delighted and thankful....unfortunately it now seems like you stick your nose up at others.
    Great example of humanity we have here.
    and how many jobs are there worldwide that are free at the moment? and to be honest, the typical homeless is a lazy, drinking idiot. that doesnt mean all are, but ive seen enough to say that many are. im not drinking alcohol, im not smoking and im not taking any drugs. and ive gotten back up on my feet in a very short timespan. if the first thing i wouldve done is buy some booze with the last money i have i wouldnt have been able to do it. and thats where a big part of the problem lies. and its not only about getting a job. id say that (at least in europe and japan) 99% of the homeless dont need to be homeless as the state has enough safety nets in place to prevent it. most of the homeless people though dont even want to go to the public office to get information on how to better their situation. ive seen it myself in person and in countless interviews that prove this.
    and ive seen many, many homeless go to the supermarket to buy beer with their last money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Revan View Post
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    There are an estimated 192 million people unemployed and estimated 100 million people that are homeless worldwide, yeah their problem is that they don't get off their lazy asses. If you did have that experience, you think you would be a more understanding person as to the plight of others in similar situations or worse than what your situation ever was.

    Instead your one of those people that makes life harder for others and say its only them to blame for their misfortune. Its like telling someone who has depression to just snap out of it, or hardened up, like they used to say before it was diagnosed as a mental illness. Most likely one of those people that makes other peoples job, the bad days as well.

    Again i need to repeat, that im not saying UBI is the answer or should go ahead, but there is something that can be taken from it and modified to be able to help those whose need it. UBI is not intended for people to just do nothing and collect money, its there to offer everyone the ability to have those things that are essential to living...shelter, food, medical, dental, etc.The idea behind it is good, how it can be implemented to help society is the issue, and not enough testing has gone into that or other ways. But governments also don't allow enough studies to happen and/or for long enough time periods.

    If the government had offered you UBI when you were homeless for that short amount of time, i'm pretty sure you would have been delighted and thankful....unfortunately it now seems like you stick your nose up at others.
    Great example of humanity we have here.
    What you're proposing already exists. It's called welfare.
    Welfare is a safety net, and that's a good thing.
    UBI is just free money to make people lazy.

    Don't mix up UBI with welfare.
    The only discussion should be how to build the best welfare system and not how to build a UBI system to give away free money for nothing.


    what I would like to know:
    Why would we want or need a UBI anayways?
    What would be the purpose of it?

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    What you're proposing already exists. It's called welfare.
    Welfare is a safety net, and that's a good thing.
    UBI is just free money to make people lazy.

    Don't mix up UBI with welfare.
    The only discussion should be how to build the best welfare system and not how to build a UBI system to give away free money for nothing.


    what I would like to know:
    Why would we want or need a UBI anayways?
    What would be the purpose of it?
    they want a ubi so everyone can do what they want no matter how good they are at it, or if it is useful in any kind of way. but the problem is people who want a ubi dont see how it will turn out. and it wont work. it never worked and it will never work. because it simply cant work by definition. communism works as long as they got enough money from others to give away. as soon as that stops the system falls apart.

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    Comunism is failed. but...
    Capitalism will fail, too, because there is no infinite growth!

    So why we dont create some thing new, where not 1% own everything. This dont means, that UBI is the solution, but it could be the start point for a new, more fair way. Ubi would need to learn a lot things into the shool, so ppl are inspired to not be lazy. And then, if you do more as been lazy, you will always get more! So im sure, a lazy UBI person just cant afort a car, nor a luxury estimate or other things. So there will be always inspiration to do more, as just been lazy and life relativly poor.
    The UBI or some thing other system, only alow that you can eat, get a doctor and medicine, get able to visite shools and buy cloths and what ever you basicaly need for a human life. But even basicaly. If you wish more, you need to do also more, so been lazy, will not be rewarted!

    The real problem we have, all around the world, is that realy only 1% own everything. Only this causing a lot of the problems we have. The more poor ppl we have, the bigger the problems get! We realy need to find new ways, before all the poorness all around start a new big war or revolution and also terrorism.

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    https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

    Yes, this is political and shouldn't be here, but since it is above page gives quite a bit more historical info and reasons why UBI is an interesting idea than most other sources I've seen online... as well as several examples where it actually worked or is working now.

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    https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

    Yes, this is political and shouldn't be here, but since it is above page gives quite a bit more historical info and reasons why UBI is an interesting idea than most other sources I've seen online... as well as several examples where it actually worked or is working now.
    show me one test where it worked on something bigger than a small city with an already good living standard.
    and all that aside, even if it would work (which it doesnt) it doesnt matter. if you give everyone 1000 bucks more people would outbid themselves on things like apartment prices, rent, food, ebay shit and so on. just watch the auction house in EU and you see where this is going. communism does sound nice on paper but it doesnt work.

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    and on another note: all of these things want to implement a UBI instead of the standard welfare program. doesnt that bsically mean that everyone who already received welfare now gets +- the same amount due to welfare cancel and new ubi while people who didnt get welfare now get the ubi on top. so it widens the inequality gap and makes the rich even richer while the poor stay poor? if u dont pay it on top of everything thats already pay out means its not equal for everyone. and if u keep paying the welfare u paid before means u lose the advantage of the "lower" welfare cost which means u cant even pay for it.
    that yang guy writes so much bullshit... it aint even funny. good thing he has no chance in the 2020 election.

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