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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi View Post
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    A top1000 will give a real estimate with value of where you are at. It will also give everyone the goal of increasing skills rather then selling out to bully in some lower category.[/B][/CENTER]
    Another suggestion, use your progressive system per Cat? Total prize for that Cat is split amongst all participants in that Cat with more going to the top players. It means that current top winners technically get less, but then people who place 11/15/25, etc would get something as well. Each Cat has their own.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Revan View Post
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    Each category is essentially its own event though, you are not going up against the other cats, only the players in your Cat. Your suggestion means that Cat 1 players are now in competition with Cat 10 with a clear advantage to Cat10 players just because they spend more money. Someone in Cat 10 only needs to get around 2500 points (easily doable) to pretty much beat out top in Cat1, who got 24000 points, due to the x10 multiplier for running Cat 10. How is that fair? New players that took the time to compete, invest in their cat gear and do well, get shafted because some player is frustrated that they were not able to reach the top 10 in their cat.

    Essentially you are just saying that those who spend more money & invest in the best gear should get more than everyone else, which was part of the old problem. Currently its broken that chipping down is better than increasing your level, but it's also very hard for any system to be fair for everyone. Perhaps MA should just put a soft cap on skills for each Cat so chipping down is not needed???

    Your proposed system has some merits, but it is by no means the answer to the event issues...imho.
    I agree more with this idea of a softcap. Let the players pick which cat to compete in based on the bankroll they feel comfortable playing at rather than forcing players into higher cost cats just be because they have a higher skill level.

    Here's another thought... What about adding a new type of mayhem event that follows the same idea as the batsim. A unique layout each year where players compete only on skill for completion time.

    I don't know, there is a lot they could do... The question is will they do anything?


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    Why would you want a category for each level? Just to be able to say "yay, I am number 1 in cat1", while there are actually 90 ppl higher then yourself?
    Or is it because it is easier to make money by entering a lower category?

    Both reasons above are funded purely by ego grounds. While the system I'm proposing is for the benefit of everyone, except those who actually get a 1st place somewhere, they might get less.

    My system is based on fairness: you earn what you shoot for!


    Currently, as we all know, a 1st place in cat5, gets more prize money then a 8th place in cat6. And that while the person who gets place8 in cat6 is actually much better then the one who got 1st place in cat5. He is higher skilled, and kills more mobs! This is a dishonest system and no reasoning whatsoever can make this fair.
    Or does someone think it would be fair if I made a new ava, and go win in cat1 all he time, like some ppl do?

    To make it easy, lets set an example:
    I'm taking the summer 2019 mayhem annihilation top10 of cat5-10 as example. As it is now, you can see here:
    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...ghlight=mayhem

    With a system of proportional scoring, it looks like this:

    As you see, people of lower categories who get lucky, now even get more tokens, since they over people of categories above.
    Imo this is the only fair system. You get paid for your points, no matter what level you are. Everyone is equal!
    Last edited by Naomi; 12-12-2019 at 21:58.


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    *The terrain is still a bit outdated though.*

    If you go into the MM instance (Not FFA), then you can see how nicly the new grafic change the terrain look. There you can see that the terrain material no longer look flat, like before. So, im pretty sure, this will also change the terrain at other places. It just need some more time to change this at the current terrain on planets, about this is a lot of work.

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    Thanks for adding my society thread to the list

    Sooooo many things can be done... lets see if they do them...

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    Will we all get "Participation" trophies?

    Gotta be fair, doncha know. Can't anyone be better than the weakest link.

    Socialist hogwash.

    Cats are there to give different levels a chance. Just because some one in Cat 5 gets four 5,000 point stars is NO REASON to compare him against someone in Cat 7. Each Cat has people who just get lucky, and it has nothing to do with their gear, their deposits (at least I hope not) and nothing to do with how they hold their mouth.

    I've got T4 Shadow and a T10 MM. I would have bested Cat 7 last contest, but MA "magically" wiped my score and I got dumped to 10th place. I won't be entering any contest again, till MA starts to give a shit about their mistakes.

    But each player should compete in their own level, with awards equal to their efforts and accomplishments.

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    New CEO maybe the change in 2019 - I'd agree that there has been some fresh air. Far from what I'd like to see, but they quietly push out big updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi View Post
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    Why would you want a category for each level? Just to be able to say "yay, I am number 1 in cat1", while there are actually 90 ppl higher then yourself?
    Or is it because it is easier to make money by entering a lower category?
    Sorry but what kind of BS is this? People set goals, perhaps a new players goal is to be number 1 in cat 1, then number 2 in cat 2 the next year. You're saying that is all pointless unless your number 1 in cat 10, if your not number 1 overall, then your useless?

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    While the system I'm proposing is for the benefit of everyone, except those who actually get a 1st place somewhere, they might get less.
    Your system benefits those in Cat 9 & 10, those in cat 1, 2 & 3 have no chance at getting any decent amount of tokens, not even enough to cover their costs selling the pills....yeah seems fair to everyone.

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    Imo this is the only fair system. You get paid for your points, no matter what level you are. Everyone is equal!
    Yeah we get it, in your opinion this is the only fair solution, which shows you haven't thought through your solution enough. Stop being biased to the top cat's, think of the players in the lower cats as well, those people may be casual and take years and years to reach level 100. They need goals and targets with rewards that are in line with their costs. Not everything should go to the top players in the game. They still need to have separate cats and levels for players, but your progressive system could be useful if implemented per cat, not overall.

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    This is my last reply to Darth, since he keeps twisting my words. It is unfair when people do that.

    Above, Darth said: People set goals, perhaps a new players goal is to be number 1 in cat 1, then number 2 in cat 2 the next year.
    This is unfortunately, totally untrue. With the current system peole don't want to advance to the next category, on the contrary, people even chip out to get to a lower category today. This is common knowledge. This fact halts economy and evolution in Entropia.

    A top1000 for an event gives people reason to give their best and grow in rank every time, while the category system makes people sell out skills to dominate a category under their abilities, which makes it close to impossible for people who actually belong to that category to get a decent place, because people who should be in higher categories chipped out to come to theirs.

    In the post above Darth said: You're saying that is all pointless unless your number 1 in cat 10, if your not number 1 overall, then your useless?
    Those are your worths Darth, not mine. I find your language offensive towards all people who compete. What I said is totally different.
    Perhaps you read my words from your own perspective, while I try to see the big picture, with keeping in mind the hundreds of people who have quit mayhem events because:
    1 - their category was taken over by ubers who chipped down
    2 - their category was already full by people with uber gear (like myself and 50+ others who stand no chance in cat10, being over lvl105)

    As it is today, it feels like a big middle finger
    towards all of the people who cannnot compete due to the current category system.
    Basically this system says to people who have a highly skilled avatar due to having played Entropia often more then 10 years: your avatar is useless. You can even get better prize money if you create a fresh noob account.


    And last:
    Why do you think that a cat1 winners should get more tokens (2000) then for instance a cat4 7th place (1600), who has been shooting way more ammo with a heavier weapon etc? In what way is that fair to you?

    Effort should be rewarded, as well as skilling, making some profit in Entropia and upgrading your gear. The current system does the opposite: it prevents people from doing exactly that towards mayhem events.

    The above is not only the case for the higher categories, it is valid for the whole spectrum of players. If it were only me, I would not post this. I made this post because I get daily messages of people who tell me that they can't or won't compete, because the category system excludes them.

    It is simple: imagine you are in cat6, but only have L gear. You simply don't stand a chance. The top4 of cat6 is most likely going to be filled with people who belong in cat7-8. The other 6 spots are taken by people who have money for expensive weapons...

    Still, it would be fun for the cat6 person with L gear to participate. He doesn't need a huge prize, but his avatar being made 'redundant' for the event isn't very motivating to play indeed. I think MA is missing quite some revenue there.


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    lots of great ideas here... but like Einstein said, anyone can make something more complicated.... all they have to do is fix the levels of mayhem... its obvious they put the max level cap where it is to make it so only people using uber expensive and rare weapons would win. for instance, in level 5, 65 level cap. you would have to use a level 55 gun apx to have your gun maxed. how many level 55 guns are there with 80 to 84dps..... hmmmmm

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