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    Quote Originally Posted by ~ Cirrus ~ View Post
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    By the way, lot of people lately wonder what is happening..
    I mean we are used to bad loots, but it's even worse now.

    Most of you did notice that ALL Deathifier lands have been taken back by MA manager few months ago.. (that's alot of lands whith huge total value)

    For whatever the reason, these lands went from Deathifiers' hand to MA's.

    Do you think Deathifier kindly gave them to MA for free ?..
    Could be seized from an inactive account, could be going to "deeds", could be anything. You have no idea. You just need to wait and find out and not bring up unrelated scenarios to prove your "bad loot" cry.

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    Could be seized from an inactive account
    This must be a joke..

    could be going to "deeds"
    What ?

    could be anything.


    But it's only one thing.

    You just need to wait and find out.
    I don't "need" anything..
    Just because you have trouble understanding the big picture doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

    and not bring up unrelated scenarios to prove your "bad loot" cry.
    I can't care less about bad loot now, since unlike many people I act more than I talk..
    But will continue to expose unfairness, cause that's what I do.

    Don't try it, stay on your side, truth don't pay.


    It seems that you like to talk a lot so that you don't say anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukat123 View Post
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    I'm pretty sure i know why, but i'll keep it a secret :p
    in fact i remember you doing those also for recycle bps, good job i bet you ended up very well thats why all your post here are a complain
    .........

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    Guys, you have to get out of the mindset that MU makes everything ok.... it doesn't. It can make you ok but it equally makes another worse. From a game/population basis MU makes for a small scale game for rich folk where a few wandering poorer folk lose.

    The problem with a real economy is that it needs large numbers to dilute and even out... EU does not have large numbers due to the economy - the end game is no game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alina View Post
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    in fact i remember you doing those also for recycle bps, good job i bet you ended up very well thats why all your post here are a complain
    You remember wrong, i only craft them if MU is high or i need some for other crafts. Recycle BPs is just a bonus for me
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    the real problem has been identified for a long time; it is that of the deed.
    creation of CLDs then of all the other deed.
    a deed is to be considered as a loan; they are issued, it brings money into the coffers but from there MA must return part of the winnings.
    if the establishment of the deed is there to finance an investment allowing to increase the income it is tenable; but that didn't seem to be the case.
    if the money collected by the owners of deed is fully used to fuel an active game, the harm is less. it should not be the case, just like real estate, the deed are owned by a large part of rentiers who do not actively participate in the economy and there it hurts for MA.
    the deed are slowly killing the game economy.
    MA must drastically reduce the remuneration level of these to 3% MAX on the basis of the introductory price of 1000ped and not on that of current 2000, and reinject the difference in the pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflap View Post
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    the real problem has been identified for a long time; it is that of the deed.
    creation of CLDs then of all the other deed.
    a deed is to be considered as a loan; they are issued, it brings money into the coffers but from there MA must return part of the winnings.
    if the establishment of the deed is there to finance an investment allowing to increase the income it is tenable; but that didn't seem to be the case.
    if the money collected by the owners of deed is fully used to fuel an active game, the harm is less. it should not be the case, just like real estate, the deed are owned by a large part of rentiers who do not actively participate in the economy and there it hurts for MA.
    the deed are slowly killing the game economy.
    MA must drastically reduce the remuneration level of these to 3% MAX on the basis of the introductory price of 1000ped and not on that of current 2000, and reinject the difference in the pool.
    That literally makes zero sense.

    CLD owners get a split of profits from activity/decay that would otherwise go to Calypso owner (aka. Mindark). CLDs (and deeds) in general have positive impacts to the game as the game needs investments/ability for avatars to build assets in semi-stable or stable means. The existance of CLDs do not create a reduction of "loot pools".

    I highly suggest reading up on the concept of parimutuel betting for which this game is mostly based on. From there, you can start to form a better understanding and get rid of all this other non-sense thinking.

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    your thinking is insane; how can you believe that the deed have no repercussion on the game?
    since the creation of the CLDs, MA has paid in interest the equivalent of what it received by selling them at the time.
    you sincerely believe that the owners of CLD are active people who participate in the activity of the game, it's good to believe it again and it's only up to you.

    the economic activity of the game has slowed considerably because the game becomes much too expensive and the cause is that the returns are decreasing.
    if you do not understand that MA is in a delicate financial situation and therefore that allows him to recover more income and also to have a more redistributing pool; it is you who are blind.

    I am indeed advocating that the income of the CLDs at least be considerably lowered to give the game a chance to survive.

    thank you for your lesson, i'm ingame since 2004 and i know the history on CLD and the way the economy works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflap View Post
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    your thinking is insane; how can you believe that the deed have no repercussion on the game?
    since the creation of the CLDs, MA has paid in interest the equivalent of what it received by selling them at the time.
    you sincerely believe that the owners of CLD are active people who participate in the activity of the game, it's good to believe it again and it's only up to you.

    the economic activity of the game has slowed considerably because the game becomes much too expensive and the cause is that the returns are decreasing.
    if you do not understand that MA is in a delicate financial situation and therefore that allows him to recover more income and also to have a more redistributing pool; it is you who are blind.

    I am indeed advocating that the income of the CLDs at least be considerably lowered to give the game a chance to survive.

    thank you for your lesson, i'm ingame since 2004 and i know the history on CLD and the way the economy works.
    You're forgetting that deeds also kept many players in the game that would otherwise have left long ago.

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    Obviously, deeds have a direct impact on long-term returns.

    Don't listen to what atomicstorm says.
    He compares EU or deeds with pari-mutuel betting... and then he dares to call other people's posts nonsense..

    Believing that MA pays dividends by cutting back on profits is stupid.
    It's probably one of the only companies in the world that can make a direct choice about the amount of its profits.

    That's the main reason they're still here after 15 years.

    There's a kind of slider between "milking the cows" and "feeding the cows" that they play with.
    Because in order to keep milking cows, you have to make sure that they don't all run away or die.

    There are laws for casinos regarding mandatory minimum returns, there are none regarding EU.
    That's why they can do this.

    So yes, the deeds dividends come directly from the losses of the players, which could be considered as profit first.
    But of course they get a percentage (or even all of it) back, by pushing the slider closer to "milk the cows", when they feel their profit won't be enough.

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's the way it works.

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