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    Ok, i'm lost and confused on this, can you please elaborate and put me on the right track as i can't make heads or tails on how this works.

    You want to buy deeds and put them in the share system and create a fund.
    So lets just use CLD for now as an example with a value of $2K ped per deed (to make it easier for myself, i know they sell for more right now). Say someone has 10 deeds which gives a value of $20K.
    They then trade this in for $20K plus 10% annual ROI for 5 years, so they get an additional $2K annually for 5 years.

    You will then sell off 76% of the fund shares ($15,200) to community, where they will get some sort of dividend return themselves. 23% of the fund shares goes into a business fund, where its used to maintain the 10% ROI annually. There is 1% ($200) that i guess is a management or setup fee and is lost (goes to you).
    I don't know where the cash for the 23% or the 1% comes from though, unless you liquate some CLD for it, which reduces the effectiveness of the fund.

    So now we have a fund that has 10 CLD broken out into 4600 shares (23% of 20K inital shares) and $15,200 liquid ped. It has a commitment to give 10% annually (2K ped) to the inital CLD holders. Lets say the CLD's generate on average 7% annual ROI, thats $1400 ped.

    We also have those community members who purchased shares and will expect a return as well along the lines of CPS/CLD, etc. So they will want a 7% ROI. But we can't just give those members 7%, the system will most likely give every shareholder an equal amount, so for the 76% community members to get 7%, each share needs to get 7% ($1400).

    So essentially the CLD will pay for the 7% return of all shares ($1400).
    From this $322 (23% of fund) will go toward initial CLD holders, so $1678 is required to be able to payout the remainder. We have $15,200 ped to use for this, which means we need 11% ROI on these funds to generate that return.

    Where does the 20K funds to pay the initial shareholders come from? Or are you splitting the cost over the 5 years as well?
    How will it maintain a 10% ROI to inital CLD holders for the 5 years?
    What exactly is going to be done with the funds to generate this 11% return on the liquid funds?
    11% is quite a high % to achieve yearly.

    Please don't say "trading" unless you can provide a spreadsheet with years of trade data that includes what was traded an with whom, etc.

    Perhaps i have over thought all of this, or completely missed the mark.
    Which if i have then i apologise and please spell it out in an easy to figure out format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Revan View Post
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    Where does the 20K funds to pay the initial shareholders come from? Or are you splitting the cost over the 5 years as well?
    How will it maintain a 10% ROI to inital CLD holders for the 5 years?
    What exactly is going to be done with the funds to generate this 11% return on the liquid funds?
    11% is quite a high % to achieve yearly.

    Please don't say "trading" unless you can provide a spreadsheet with years of trade data that includes what was traded an with whom, etc.
    I think I've got it figured out.

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    ...if you were offered a value of 100% of 10% ROI for you Revenue Deeds ...so long as you received a profit...if you were told that they would be used to fund the creation of 1 million to 10 million shares that assure a 10% ROI of initial sale value of the share for 5-7 years and have exponential potential of growing...

    This... business plan is not logical and it is all about manipulative schemes...

    Really I am wondering how many people...would sell their shares to a good cause...

    I know I am terrible and ruining it for everybody, but I am just entertained by seeing how this responds...

    If my shares system is approved, how this is going to be done might clearly be defined or explained, but I assure that if the system is introduced, that it will be secure...


    I have not expanded greatly on how this will be done, if the business share system is approved... This is not a discussion of a investment...
    It looks like 74% is sold off to build equity, 23% is "retained" to juice ROI on the 74% that was sold, guaranteeing a 10% ROI for 5-7 years (until the initial 74% is used up in juicing ROI).

    The 1% "personal use" funds ensures the fund manager some personal profit for all his hard work.

    The 23% is fairly unclear as to where the money comes from (if there's any money backing the other 23%) or what it's actually used for, aside from parties and "jobs".

    At least that's what I've gathered from one of his other wordy replies. I've clipped it down to the pertinent bits here....

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    Let me see if I can't expand...
    I am going to dumb down investment inquiries. though it might construe some beneficial information...

    ...10,000 Shares. $10,000
    76% of shares will be SOLD to the community. 7,400 Shares. $7,400.
    23% of shares goes to a security Business fund. 2,300 shares.

    ...Use of these funds will maintain the 10% ROI on all 10,000 shares until the shares become self-sustaining...

    1% of shares will be for personal gain. 100 shares, $100.
    This is will be mainly used for community involvement and creating jobs until the Shares become self sustaining…

    The $7,400 secures a 5 to 7 year guarantee for a 10% ROI on the payouts of the deeds, as 23% of 10,000 shares is being used to maintain a 10% ROI on the $1 value...

    I think that just about covers it for what little information I am willing to provide at this time...

    So in essence... Swap out your CLDs/AUDs/CP Shares into his fund's shares for a guaranteed ROI for 5 years, after which point there's no ROI guarantee and so he can allow the fund to manage itself for the rest of the fund's life and walk with whatever shares he's managed to squeeze out of the community.

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    I am glad that you all are clearly understanding what I am saying, lol.
    You are catching onto key details that I am leaving out.

    Darth Raven: You are right, only 76% of shares are ACTUALLY Sold, so that means, where is the funds for the other 24% of shares coming from to secure and utilize the 10% ROI on 100% of shares.

    -All the funds from selling shares would need to be spent before the shares start giving out revenue in order to meet the criteria that I have specified. So, although I believe the shares would be bought up within 3 days time, even if it was $7,600,000. There was a request for a minimum of 30 day withhold time on the payout of the shares.
    This time is spent purchasing Revenue opportunities and spending any money earned from the Revenue opportunities on additional revenue opportunities, so that the fund is secured... I mean, based on Entropia Universes' past activity, It would be great if I could withhold payments on the Shares for up to 5 months because... Who knows how long it would take for me to procure on spending ALL the funds on Revenue opportunities.
    -Another thing, while shares are being sold, the funds would be used to purchase revenue opportunities, payout on the shares wouldn't begin until 30 days after the last share is sold unless, for example, not all the shares have been sold within 3-5 months... But, if all the shares are not sold, that gives more told to spend the gathered from selling shares on purchasing more revenue opportunities and building a money yield for when payouts begin.

    --The value of which the 23% that is used to secure the 10% ROI and search for additional Revenue opportunities isn't important other than assuring that it's value is high enough that is can maintain the 76% in the circumstance that it might fall under the investors expected 10% ROI.

    I am also discussing other ideas in the overview i sent to MindArk/EntropiaUniverse that discusses additional security measures.

    and that 23% of shares is used to assure that the 76% of assures maintains a minimum of a 10% ROI as well as seeking out additional revenue opportunities. (These funds from the 23% of shares is to never be used for gaming and cannot be withdrawn from the game)(It may in the the nearer future once the Shares maintain a 10% ROI without use of funds obtained from the 23% of shares, be used to create jobs and engaging events within the community that offer a lot of rewards)

    I think that covered everything, I am a little heated right now.

    Captain Jack: I see that you noted that you think there is going to be no ROI guarantee after 5 years. That is not true. The fund is ALWAYS investing in further revenue opportunities, the ROI would never stop going up unless revenue opportunities stopped being available, of which I assume would take much longer than 5 years.
    Last edited by Kain Dewey Fall; 01-07-2020 at 00:29.

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    u think u could sell 7.6 million usd worth of shares in 3 days? so you rate your little scam project higher than planet calypso? xD i guess its time this scammer gets banned and his threads locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain Dewey Fall View Post
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    ...You are catching onto key details that I am leaving out.



    --The value of which the 23% that is used to secure the 10% ROI and search for additional Revenue opportunities isn't important other than assuring that it's value is high enough that is can maintain the 76% in the circumstance that it might fall under the investors expected 10% ROI.


    ...and that 23% of shares is used to assure that the 76% of assures maintains a minimum of a 10% ROI as well as seeking out additional revenue opportunities. (These funds from the 23% of shares is to never be used for gaming and cannot be withdrawn from the game)(It may in the the nearer future once the Shares maintain a 10% ROI without use of funds obtained from the 23% of shares, be used to create jobs and engaging events within the community that offer a lot of rewards)
    Okay so you still haven't covered the 23% question. Are you personally funding this? You're talking about a 23% stake in the "company" which is not being sold to investors, but talking about it as though it has value, without claiming to be funding it personally.

    Who funds the 23% of the "company" that is not sold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack View Post
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    Okay so you still haven't covered the 23% question. Are you personally funding this? You're talking about a 23% stake in the "company" which is not being sold to investors, but talking about it as though it has value, without claiming to be funding it personally.

    Who funds the 23% of the "company" that is not sold?
    It is just a percentage of the shares, it isn't sold. It is used to retain the $1 10% ROI initial value of 76% of shares until a 10% ROI is achieved on 100% of the shares, in which then the offer would be put on the table to DELETE a portion of 23% of shares to increase the value of remaining shares or keeping/ retaining a portion of that 23% of shares to continuously invest in further revenue opportunities.

    That is why all the money from selling shares would have to be spent before distributing revenue and about 30 to 150 days to invest in additional share opportunities with the revenue generated before revenue distribution to the shares.
    At 76% all ready being covered, with additional revenue opportunities being included at the time of Revenue Payout to the Shares, as well as 30 days security of funds. That leaves leg room after paying 10% ROI to the 76% of shares to still be able to invest daily on additional revenue opportunities.

    According to a chart I made though, the shares will have reached a secure 10% ROI after 3 months. although expected to payout a stead 10% within the first couple of days. That is why a security of 30 to 150 days is needed. Because I know those revenue deeds, like AUDs, are putting out between 1 to 3 pec per deed and so a security would be needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain Dewey Fall View Post
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    It is just a percentage of the shares, it isn't sold. It is used to retain the $1 10% ROI initial value of 76% of shares until a 10% ROI is achieved on 100% of the shares, in which then the offer would be put on the table to DELETE a portion of 23% of shares to increase the value of remaining shares or keeping/ retaining a portion of that 23% of shares to continuously invest in further revenue opportunities.

    That is why all the money from selling shares would have to be spent before distributing revenue and about 30 to 150 days to invest in additional share opportunities with the revenue generated before revenue distribution to the shares.
    At 76% all ready being covered, with additional revenue opportunities being included at the time of Revenue Payout to the Shares, as well as 30 days security of funds. That leaves leg room after paying 10% ROI to the 76% of shares to still be able to invest daily on additional revenue opportunities.
    I'm lost again.

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    I'm a bit lost with all this as well to be honest.

    Out of interest, what would you be putting into the fund Kain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GxB View Post
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    u think u could sell 7.6 million usd worth of shares in 3 days? so you rate your little scam project higher than planet calypso? xD i guess its time this scammer gets banned and his threads locked.
    500,000 - $500,000 shares sold in 13 hours...
    hm.
    500,000 X 2 - $1,000,000 1 day.

    Oh I am sorry. No doubt that it would sell within 8 days. Although the only reason more money wasn't spent was probably because there were no more shares and it wasn't exactly all ready known to everyone that the shares were put on sale... You know... The 13 hours that they were for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain Dewey Fall View Post
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    500,000 - $500,000 shares sold in 13 hours...
    hm.
    500,000 X 2 - $1,000,000 1 day.

    Oh I am sorry. No doubt that it would sell within 8 days. Although the only reason more money wasn't spent was probably because there were no more shares and it wasn't exactly all ready known to everyone that the shares were put on sale... You know... The 13 hours that they were for sale.
    Those were for Crystal Palace, which had over a decade of proven performance before the shares ever came on the market.

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