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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofaces View Post
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    "Community" expectations from the looks of it. As discussed in other loot threads, if someone is expected 95-98% TT long-term, they can't really expect MA to sustain that long-term. The norm has always been closer to 90% across professions even if it seemed like we had a surge across professions just last year. If that was a change by MA that got rolled back because it wasn't really sustainable, then that rollback is just going back to the norm.
    No, that is NOT what the norm is.
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    some hunting statistics from me
    https://imgur.com/a/0HUYwbG

    2017: 156k spend, -11k lost (-5.5k after mu)
    2018: 480k spend, -31k lost (-2k after mu)
    2019: 310k spend, -21k lost (-13k after mu)
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    You will always loose. No matter what. Especially after Loot 2.0


    MindArk is a company. A business. They hire 40+ people. Those people need to make money. They have families, mortgages, financial obligations. Company must pay taxes, health insurance, pension contribution, rent, bills.
    You must pay MindArk more than they pay you to keep them alive.


    You may try to make up some losses by getting money from other players (markup) or trading (reselling). That is all.

    The House always wins.


    Get over it or leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
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    You will always loose. No matter what. Especially after Loot 2.0


    MindArk is a company. A business. They hire 40+ people. Those people need to make money. They have families, mortgages, financial obligations. Company must pay taxes, health insurance, pension contribution, rent, bills.
    You must pay MindArk more than they pay you to keep them alive.


    You may try to make up some losses by getting money from other players (markup) or trading (reselling). That is all.

    The House always wins.


    Get over it or leave.

    Aren't casino's the same?

    Would you play at a roulette table when there a 0, 00, 000, 0000, 00000, 000000 and 000000 as extra numbers?
    In other words, if the rake gets to high, people won't play anymore.

    And MA should very carefully look at that rake.

    Yes sure, MA is a company. But a companies sole right of existence is their customer base.

    And "get over it or leave" is not the most customer friendly attitude a company can have.

    Maybe if they would have product people would kill for, but let's be honest, staring at the same mob going pfew pfew 24/7 is not exactly a killer product, is it?

    So MA should better listen to their customers if they want to keep paying the salaries of those 40+ people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    Aren't casino's the same?

    Would you play at a roulette table when there a 0, 00, 000, 0000, 00000, 000000 and 000000 as extra numbers?
    In other words, if the rake gets to high, people won't play anymore.

    And MA should very carefully look at that rake.

    Yes sure, MA is a company. But a companies sole right of existence is their customer base.

    And "get over it or leave" is not the most customer friendly attitude a company can have.

    Maybe if they would have product people would kill for, but let's be honest, staring at the same mob going pfew pfew 24/7 is not exactly a killer product, is it?

    So MA should better listen to their customers if they want to keep paying the salaries of those 40+ people.
    Of course I would not play such casino game. One 0 is all i can accept. That is why I took a break from EU till March. MA should better listen but they won't. They are known for their ignorance and lack of respect for customers.

    Nothing will change. "Get over it or leave" is not customer friendly, yes. But that what you should do if you do not accept the current state of Entropia. Moaning and crying over your returns will change nothing. We have already had hundreds threads like this and nothing changed. Loot is still strange, boring, bad, exhausting, brings no fun.

    There is no reward for effort. I play other games because I know my effort will bring me prize that gives me pleasure from playing.

    I see no reason to go from Animal Looter 12lvl to 54lvl just to see same or even worse returns and still extremely low chance to loot anything interesting.

    EU is just a product, one of many. There are many things, including gaming, out there and God help me but I just have spend 36 USD on Tennogen items in Warframe and I am glad cuz my warframes look good and I am happy. I could deposit that but I didn't. I dont have to pay for product I dont like. I am OK with loosing, I am aware that casino house always wins. The issue is that we don't get much prizes for our efforts. That how you loose motivation to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
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    Of course I would not play such casino game. One 0 is all i can accept. That is why I took a break from EU till March. MA should better listen but they won't. They are known for their ignorance and lack of respect for customers.

    Nothing will change. "Get over it or leave" is not customer friendly, yes. But that what you should do if you do not accept the current state of Entropia. Moaning and crying over your returns will change nothing. We have already had hundreds threads like this and nothing changed. Loot is still strange, boring, bad, exhausting, brings no fun.

    There is no reward for effort. I play other games because I know my effort will bring me prize that gives me pleasure from playing.

    I see no reason to go from Animal Looter 12lvl to 54lvl just to see same or even worse returns and still extremely low chance to loot anything interesting.

    EU is just a product, one of many. There are many things, including gaming, out there and God help me but I just have spend 36 USD on Tennogen items in Warframe and I am glad cuz my warframes look good and I am happy. I could deposit that but I didn't. I dont have to pay for product I dont like. I am OK with loosing, I am aware that casino house always wins. The issue is that we don't get much prizes for our efforts. That how you loose motivation to play.

    exactly!
    But, people only moan and cry if they care about something.
    If they wouldn't have cared, they would just have left without the crying part.

    So I guess MA should cherish our cries and prevent us from leaving.

    But yeah, you're right, MA shows very little signs they care about their customers.
    I've seldomly seen companies with worse style of customer service and communication than MA.
    I'm not mentioning the support team, because I do think they try to help as good as they can, but on management level this company is totally ignorant, or at least looks totally ignorant towards it's customer base.

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    This is what players wanted. Can't have the cake and eat it too you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Abomb View Post
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    ... My main melee set up lately has been Genesis Sparkbite with Eco enhancers, Melee VI amp so I can convert shrapnel to get the 101% I unlocked commando with swords so on larger mobs I still use them.

    Ranged I use Isis LC 55 CDF from token trader with Mayhem Gamma Amp for 3.16 Dpp

    MF since I am working on Intuition I am using a Corrosive 8 UL Chip with 6 amp
    This is some really low efficiency gear you are using there. DPP is totally irrelevant when it comes to tt return. Improve efficiency, gain some more looter levels and grind more, it took me ~1M cycle last time until i did hit multiple nice hofs that produced expected long term returns
    take my advice, i dont`t use it anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by allarom View Post
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    This is some really low efficiency gear you are using there. DPP is totally irrelevant when it comes to tt return. Improve efficiency, gain some more looter levels and grind more, it took me ~1M cycle last time until i did hit multiple nice hofs that produced expected long term returns
    No, it's normal efficiency. Efficiency with which I got 95-96% tt return over 100's of thousands of peds cycled previous to recently.

    91% should only happen with shit like Swine Deluxe.

    Something is wrong and the game is fucked up and I'm fed up with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allarom View Post
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    This is some really low efficiency gear you are using there. DPP is totally irrelevant when it comes to tt return. Improve efficiency, gain some more looter levels and grind more, it took me ~1M cycle last time until i did hit multiple nice hofs that produced expected long term returns
    yeah, you were right. The loot has lost it's volatility.

    Instead of constantly shfting from 60% to 130% it's now set to a steady 60~70% return.
    And if you're extremely lucky to get the multiplier on the right mob, it might lift you to the +90% return.

    As it is now, loot seems totally broken.
    For small time hunters (regardless of level) it doesnt make sense to do any daily missions except the daily 1.
    You will get the usual 60% return on the 2 and 3 dailies and a 90% on the daily 1.

    So unless you hunt the same mob endlessly, as you wrote a "~1M cycle" dont bother to do anything at all, since it will just bleed you completely dry.

    But hey, since I'm just the only small time hunter around and everybody else can easily cycle a million ped, who am I to judge, right?

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