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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukat123 View Post
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    What's more important, if nothing work consistantly, then there is no knowledge that allows you to stabilize/improve your tt-return.

    Ah, but there is. That's the adaptability part that everyone sneers about.

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    Ah, but there is. That's the adaptability part that everyone sneers about.
    lol.
    Yeah, i did adapt by switching from playing EU to playing ESO & BDO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukat123 View Post
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    lol.
    Yeah, i did adapt by switching from playing EU to playing ESO & BDO

    Ok just like the other dude that ragequit and still feels the need to post here - like, why?

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    Ok just like the other dude that ragequit and still feels the need to post here - like, why?
    Because i want EU to become great again!
    Oh and I did not ragequit. I left because i got tired of the shit MA made.

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    If you have a lot of non damage attacks then you haven't done your math.
    When you figure out what to use against a target non damage attacks will be a minimum.
    10% of your attacks will be evaded/dodged/jammed... period...

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    My solution has been to hunt smaller stuff, that way I get the same entertainment value for fewer $ per hour I'll never see again...
    .... just one man's opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsina View Post
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    Even boxes are not gambling, as the tt value is set. It is the mu - the value to other players - that may get you into profit.
    Let me explain how gambling associations view it because this logic is wrong. ( no disrespect )

    Sorry boxes are 100% gambling and setting a TT value doesn't change that. It's still buying a lottery ticket to win a big prize doesn't matter who sets the value it is still considered gambling. Which is why they are being removed from games and cracked down on because the entire nature of boxes is a text book definition of gambling. Loot boxes will be removed from every game. Eventually they will be outlawed here because the dance around this gambling law is coming to an end.

    Don't see it? Well let me paint the picture for you then in an example and why it is gambling!

    Tom buys 50 keys to open his 50 boxes in hopes of getting a shiny Christmas Ring. To no avail he doesn't get one.

    Now Tom knows that is all the money he had to try and get his prize but it calls to him. The precious!!! The ring would totally change his hunting and complete his Avatar!!!!

    Now Tom buys another 50 over extending himself in an attempt to get the Ring. He knows it's coming it has too!! It's been awhile since one dropped!! Again to no avail Tom misses.

    Now Tom is out of Boxes and Keys. So he goes to bed and he is laying there reading and trying to predict the loot waves for a ring and thinking that he can just skip out on paying one bill this month because if he wins this Ring it will change EVERYTHING!!!! (this is what gambling associations look at and define gambling)

    Tom thinks he cracked the code, and is doubling down! Now he buys 100 boxes from a trader and gets 100 keys from the website and starts opening when he thinks the time is right!

    Again Tom misses and doesn't win because he is a gambling addict and the gambling of boxes has claimed another victim.

    Tom now has a late payment on a card and is well on his way to losing the important things in his real life because he gambled. However Tom thought he was sure to win!! If only there weren't boxes that preyed on Tom's gambling addiction with the prize looming over his head.


    This ^^^^ This is why gambling laws are in place and why their associations are removing boxes from video games as they fit perfectly the definition of gambling. It still causes gambling addicts to lose everything. It is still preying on people and in some instances in some video games, children that don't know about gambling or the addiction of it yet. They are 100% gambling because they have a Prize so it preys on people like Tom. Laws are in place to protect gambling addicts like Tom in video games. Which is a good thing, don't you agree?


    If you love boxes fine, if you love gambling fine, just realize they are gambling because you are trying to win a prize and that is the gamble. That is people overspending and taking out mortgages on their house to gamble on boxes. You are buying a ticket for the lottery of winning the big Prize. In Entropia that is a Ring. ( This is why keys can't be bought in some places, eventually it will be no more boxes anywhere. )

    Please understand this, there is no way around it. Loot boxes are gambling because the gamble is the prize. Hope that is clear now
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    Let me explain how gambling associations view it because this logic is wrong...
    I don't know why this thread deviate on the subject of gambling, and I pretty much agreed with everything you've said so far.
    But I just want to say that technically boxes are 100% NOT gambling in term of laws.

    I say "technically" because actually, it can be played as gambling, but it's not.
    Anyway I guess gamblers can gamble on anything...?

    Whith boxes you pay $1, you get $1 back no matter what.
    This is definitely not gambling.

    Of course we are all looking for a rare item, but for this one you will only receive the amount of money that another player decides to give you.

    MA is not even directly responsible for the MU of the items.
    They only set "rarity", and then players estimate what it's worth to them.

    It's almost comparable to the Art market.

    Also you talk about boxes, but then why don't you think that hunt (or mining or whatever ingame) is gambling ?
    I mean each time you kill a mob, you hope for a loot that worth more than cost to kill, and also for a good rare item.
    This would be alot more gambling than boxes, since most time you get less than what you spent.

    In gambling you can loose. (you can bet 1$ and get 0.5$ back)
    Whith boxes, you can NOT loose. (you "bet" 1$ and get at least 1$ back everytime)

    The only planned way to make you loose whith boxes, is UA inside that you are forced to play, and this is probably where you'll loose.

    Anti gambling laws should be more worrying about TT returns ingame (hunt, mining etc..) than for the boxes.

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    Let me explain how gambling associations view it because this logic is wrong. ( no disrespect )
    Thank you Abomb, but I think I out-nuanced you - and probably even myself there, so your answer is quite understandable. I think I was trying to say what EU could argue from a legal standpoint - and may even have done so to investigators at a time before boxes came in. The paragraph was this:
    "On why EU isn't gambling: it's an interesting idea that the formulas are set up so that you cannot win. [new add-in edit: formulas include data on each player's specific ped-delta, i.e. balance.] However, noobs can, or could, get the welcome global, for example. It is still possible that it is not classified as winnings, but as a 'present', however - thus still NOT gambling! Guaranteed losses in general, so Yay! Even boxes are not gambling, as the tt value is set. It is the mu - the value to other players - that may get you into profit."

    One of the problems is indeed the definition of gambling in relation to what addiction is. The nature of boxes is that buyers addict themselves into buying more than they planned to for the outcome they want. Addiction and gambling are not the same thing, though.

    I am no fan of boxes as operated by MA, by the way, but for different reasons. I agree with Cirrus that actually, the way "we" perceive the game, hunting is closer to gambling based on how I frame the definition of gambling than boxes are. It interests me how MA may have satisfied investigators on that one (see my quote above). My boxes comment was a simplified continuation argument. Cirrus is also right here - with boxes the value is only technically 1:1, as you have to turnover the unlimited ammo personally in the game to 'wash=launder' it into something with withdrawable value. Edit: That is where the losses take place.

    But thanks for the longish answer. The topic is certainly close enough when talking about expected returns from an activity to look at a comparison with gambling, no matter what may have officially been agreed as definitions and outcomes for MA's unusual overall business model (and other games which don't have an RCE but did put in boxes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~ Cirrus ~ View Post
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    Anti gambling laws should be more worrying about TT returns ingame (hunt, mining etc..) than for the boxes.
    Some good points by Cirrus and Jestina

    To stay focused on topic and not shift into something else since the focus is Hunting loot and how looter and efficiency aren't working in the state they are proposed. ( sorry not a fan of gambling in video games, so was stating my 2 cents )

    This is why the looter profession should visually be affecting the loot. You should be able to explain your returns with math using a formula of Looter and Efficiency etc. Your logs should be able to prove their exact effect on your activity.


    This is why in my other thread I proposed one method that visually shows looter working and increases the minimum amount of loot you can get on any one mob. You literally can see it working. Higher looter kill one mob get more than someone with less looter guaranteed. ( Stabilizing TT returns )


    There really needs to be some very clear transparent system though. (whatever that is ) Instead of made up numbers by MA that don't have any data backing them. It's impossible to prove the effects of Looter and Efficiency. So here we are. Yes the comparison of hunting to slots is understandable. Even in that great Economy video that just came out on Entropia, they said all professions are the same as a Casino and you are gambling. A very fair objective video.
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