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  • The cap removal was intentional but volume was not

    12 17.65%
  • It was a completely intentional move

    17 25.00%
  • It was a mistake and not intentional

    17 25.00%
  • I don't care

    22 32.35%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jambon View Post
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    This about sums it up. Was it intentional? Obviously yes - at least on some level. When you program something it doesn't just magically change unless you change it.

    However, I'm sure they didn't consider that 95% of the released Redulite would be found in such a short time and just end up in the hands of about 10 people that are more than likely going to hoard it until they can sell for an unreasonable markup. (And of course a flawed scarcity system makes this possible).

    Clearly MA's attempt to correct the markup of Redulite failed due to their ignorance of the 10th rule of acquisition: Greed is eternal.
    Easy solution: drop more until people stop hoarding - and I hope thats exactly what MA is and will be doing.

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    Every company out there who depends on people depositing money is gonna hold on to those money like Scrooge.
    MA does not benefit from high MU stuff and alot of access to it. That will make people withdraw money from game as they can " win" on the situation. That is why I think it was a mistake with all that Redulite pushed out on market just as well as the mounstrous claim of Rugaritz years ago also was a mistake.
    MA benefits from low MU as that makes people cycle their peds over and over again and its the same for casinos. A big hit every now and then is ok but if people find a way to " win " over and over again the Casino is gonna try and stop it.
    Why and what happened with Redulite recently I dont know but im sure the turnout was a mistake. No way MA had in their minds to fill the pockets of a few miners like it happened beacuse it will for sure result in a few very big withdrawals of money from the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImUp2Mischief View Post
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    It has always been said observation is one of the most important skills in entropia, I just never realised before that I needed to observe which threads MA employees are reading on the forum.
    He just popped into this thread too.

    I addressed this in the other thread, but I will put it here as well to make sure it is seen properly:

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    Just to clarify something here; my job at MindArk is that of community manager/liason. I do not have any interaction with (or influence on) the loot systems or any other ingame systems.

    However, my job does include reading and moderating the forum, which means that there is a high chance that I will have read any given thread at some point Especially if there are many new posts in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludvig|MindArk View Post
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    Just to clarify something here; my job at MindArk is that of community manager/liason. I do not have any interaction with (or influence on) the loot systems or any other ingame systems.

    However, my job does include reading and moderating the forum, which means that there is a high chance that I will have read any given thread at some point Especially if there are many new posts in it.
    But isn't part of being the community manager/liaison reporting to Mindark data of interest in regards to community input? I mean isn't the definition of liaison "An instance or a means of communication between different groups or units of an organization".

    While you may not directly affect things like the loot/in game systems, if you report back saying "lots of people in the community are concerned about excess Redulite dropping" wouldn't that have a indirect impact of forcing the team member responsible for those systems to take a closer look at it and potentially make changes?

    I mean as a more extreme example: if all of a sudden someone on the forum posted some weird issue like "only mining towers are dropping! Every probe is resulting in a mining tower". Wouldn't you report this to others at Mindark? And as such wouldn't they then look into fixing that issue if it was in fact deemed to be an issue that needed to be fixed?
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    MA does not benefit from high MU stuff and alot of access to it. That will make people withdraw money from game as they can " win" on the situation. That is why I think it was a mistake with all that Redulite pushed out on market just as well as the mounstrous claim of Rugaritz years ago also was a mistake.
    MA benefits from low MU as that makes people cycle their peds over and over again and its the same for casinos. A big hit every now and then is ok but if people find a way to " win " over and over again the Casino is gonna try and stop it.
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    We are supposed to "win" though. If people don't win and withdraw then it isn't a game. When people win or withdraw money that is fantastic for the game. The door always has to swing both ways and I think we should look at winners or people that withdraw as something that is healthy for any stable economy. If more people win then more players will join and MA makes money that way. You always get more flies with honey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jambon View Post
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    But isn't part of being the community manager/liaison reporting to Mindark data of interest in regards to community input?
    Yes, that is also part of my job. If there are any issues (or suggestions and other feedback) that comes up on the forum, I make sure to forward it to the dev team for proper review and consideration.

    What I am addressing here is the idea that seems to exist that I would be able to see something on the forum and sponteanously act on it by going into a room and pressing some buttons to change ingame systems. All intended changes seen in the game have been carefully considered before being implemented, and can not be predicted by which threads I have happened to read.
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    A little bit of hoarding of your own personal finds is totally fine and that is not the issue that MA is targeting. When hoarding is done on a massive scale, where you're also buying up everyone else's finds on the auction with a specific intent to control the entire supply, then it just becomes market manipulation.

    The problem: certain individuals in Entropia have realized long ago that there is a certain mechanic in the game that can be used which will allow them to essentially control the entire supply for a given resource. Once that supply is under their control, they can sell this resource at whatever markup they want to because they essentially have no one that is capable of under-cutting them since they own the entire supply.

    Mechanic being abused: that mechanic being the capacity limit for specific resources in the game, i.e. how much of a particular resource is allowed to 'exist' in the game at any given time. What this means is that at some point, no more can be found until some of it is actually used up, either through crafting or tiering, or just TT'ed.

    I don't think that this sort of market manipulation is ok, I don't think it is fun or adds anything of value to the game, I think it's a scourge, a drain, an exploit really. It frustrates many players who need these resources for crafting or tiering, especially when you understand what is truly going on, and MindArk should put an end to it.

    I'm of the opinion that MindArk knows full well what is going on with Redulite and Opals, and I think that the ONLY thing we can be sure of with regards to all this Redulite dropping recently is that there is a will on the part of MindArk to try and do something about it now.

    I don't think that removing the cap is going to be the one and only response, I think it's just a first step so that they can fully understand what to expect when caps are removed. If it was the one and only response to hoarding, they would not have done it only for Redulite, it would have been done across the boards, for Opals and other resources that are currently being hoarded as well, all at once.

    So I think this is just part of the experimentation that they need to do in order to arrive at what will eventually be the best long-term solution for everyone. And there is no intent to target any particular hoarder specifically, it's the exploited game mechanic which is being targeted.

    So like I said in the other thread, I think MindArk has just fired the first warning shot. They can and will re-balance it because there is more to gain by doing so then to leave it alone.

    For those of you that are still stockpiling Redulite, still buying it at 300% or more, you are placing a bet on MindArk stupidity and I think that is a very bad bet, I think that's a losing bet.

    But we'll have to wait and see what happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludvig|MindArk View Post
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    Yes, that is also part of my job. If there are any issues (or suggestions and other feedback) that comes up on the forum, I make sure to forward it to the dev team for proper review and consideration.

    What I am addressing here is the idea that seems to exist that I would be able to see something on the forum and sponteanously act on it by going into a room and pressing some buttons to change ingame systems. All intended changes seen in the game have been carefully considered before being implemented, and can not be predicted by which threads I have happened to read.
    Ahhh I see.

    But but... tin foil hats, conspiracies, superstitions, magical things happening! People need to believe!!!


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