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  • The cap removal was intentional but volume was not

    12 17.65%
  • It was a completely intentional move

    17 25.00%
  • It was a mistake and not intentional

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  • I don't care

    22 32.35%
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    Stupid IRL for not letting me log on at this time

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    maybe unlock this material can improve the global economy? and keep it hight is just bad for 99% ppl
    MA make great job for make the economy healthy again. it take time. maybe it's a new step in this direction.
    so perhaps more attachement bp are coming at hight level too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legends View Post
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    A little bit of hoarding of your own personal finds is totally fine and that is not the issue that MA is targeting. When hoarding is done on a massive scale, where you're also buying up everyone else's finds on the auction with a specific intent to control the entire supply, then it just becomes market manipulation.

    The problem: certain individuals in Entropia have realized long ago that there is a certain mechanic in the game that can be used which will allow them to essentially control the entire supply for a given resource. Once that supply is under their control, they can sell this resource at whatever markup they want to because they essentially have no one that is capable of under-cutting them since they own the entire supply.

    Mechanic being abused: that mechanic being the capacity limit for specific resources in the game, i.e. how much of a particular resource is allowed to 'exist' in the game at any given time. What this means is that at some point, no more can be found until some of it is actually used up, either through crafting or tiering, or just TT'ed.

    I don't think that this sort of market manipulation is ok, I don't think it is fun or adds anything of value to the game, I think it's a scourge, a drain, an exploit really. It frustrates many players who need these resources for crafting or tiering, especially when you understand what is truly going on, and MindArk should put an end to it.

    I'm of the opinion that MindArk knows full well what is going on with Redulite and Opals, and I think that the ONLY thing we can be sure of with regards to all this Redulite dropping recently is that there is a will on the part of MindArk to try and do something about it now.

    I don't think that removing the cap is going to be the one and only response, I think it's just a first step so that they can fully understand what to expect when caps are removed. If it was the one and only response to hoarding, they would not have done it only for Redulite, it would have been done across the boards, for Opals and other resources that are currently being hoarded as well, all at once.

    So I think this is just part of the experimentation that they need to do in order to arrive at what will eventually be the best long-term solution for everyone. And there is no intent to target any particular hoarder specifically, it's the exploited game mechanic which is being targeted.

    So like I said in the other thread, I think MindArk has just fired the first warning shot. They can and will re-balance it because there is more to gain by doing so then to leave it alone.

    For those of you that are still stockpiling Redulite, still buying it at 300% or more, you are placing a bet on MindArk stupidity and I think that is a very bad bet, I think that's a losing bet.

    But we'll have to wait and see what happens

    I think your entire premise is wrong. I have never believed in a cap on resources. The only thing MA control is drop rate, entirely separate to how much of anything there is in the universe.

    I don't believe MA removed a cap, I think MA increased the drop rate. Simple

    I have never seen evidence of hoarding anything reduces drop rates. They are not linked.

    IMAO

    EDIT: i should clarify, i am only talking about ores and enmatters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Flyster View Post
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    I think your entire premise is wrong. I have never believed in a cap on resources. The only thing MA control is drop rate, entirely separate to how much of anything there is in the universe.

    I don't believe MA removed a cap, I think MA increased the drop rate. Simple

    I have never seen evidence of hoarding anything reduces drop rates. They are not linked.

    IMAO

    EDIT: i should clarify, i am only talking about ores and enmatters

    Rgds

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    To clarify since i have also used the term "CAP" , i do mean the cap on the size of the find ( amount of resource dropped during a wave) and not a cap in terms of total resources in the game. I am with you on the fact that there is no cap on amount of resources being a limitation.

    On topic of hoarding, low cap on resource drops like redulite or opal is something where hoarding works because the person hoarding can buy the resources and increase markup. Example : If 100 peds of redulite drop/hr if i start buying redulite i can easily buy 10k peds tt of it and increase markup from say 250% to 400%. Which is when i stop buying and let it stabilize at that point netting me a 50% gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinity View Post
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    To clarify since i have also used the term "CAP" , i do mean the cap on the size of the find ( amount of resource dropped during a wave) and not a cap in terms of total resources in the game. I am with you on the fact that there is no cap on amount of resources being a limitation.

    On topic of hoarding, low cap on resource drops like redulite or opal is something where hoarding works because the person hoarding can buy the resources and increase markup. Example : If 100 peds of redulite drop/hr if i start buying redulite i can easily buy 10k peds tt of it and increase markup from say 250% to 400%. Which is when i stop buying and let it stabilize at that point netting me a 50% gain.
    The total TT value of resources dug up from ground that " redunight" was just as normal but diffrence this night was that most of it was in form of Redulite instead of Belk, lyst, duru etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strakkan View Post
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    The total TT value of resources dug up from ground that " redunight" was just as normal but diffrence this night was that most of it was in form of Redulite instead of Belk, lyst, duru etc etc.
    There was also lyst/belk/duru to be found if you did not have the appropriate depth. Removing the cap from droprate of redulite can easily lead to what happened the other day. My best guess ( and it is a guess at this point because only MA knows what really happened) would be that the cap was removed in terms of wave duration and in doing so the pent up accumulated redulite that was supposed to have dropped by now ( which could not because of the low timings earlier) dropped all at once.

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    The commonly held belief a while ago was that if hoarders had anything pretty much maxed out - mob loots or mining - then crafting with a maxed mat at a very quiet time of day and quickly returning into the 'field' would get you a lot of the stuff back in the next couple of loot waves.
    Has anyone ever done a 'time of day/night' analysis to see if that claim holds water?

    I've experienced enough of MA to have ZERO preference on this poll, apart from that I DO care! lol

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    Some blabla history

    If that helps, I can say that ever since i started to mine back in 2010+ and camped redu, I have seen all kind of changes on this ore. It was a time back in 2012+ when i was called the redu king. There was 2 main crafters back then. Auktuma and NZR. Any other crafter back then were under one of those. The MU of lvl13 were to a big degree controlled. Crafters were fighting for redu miners.

    There were time where i was thinking to make a redu coat lol. When it hitted 120% and i had tons of it
    I don't mind oversupply as long as there is a goal for this and more benefit from using / clicking this ingot.
    Just make sure to edit the description on redu to not stand "this rare ore is not found often" to "is found often"

    Redu was as rare as it is today, meaning if u mine with right tool/skill now, u wil lget all from 3-6% hit rate. Fact is this hit rate NEVER changed even thru lyst wave or not. Only thing that changed is, was the remove of lyst. Lyst made thing very much interesting and that is to me a very good way to protect any ore in game from oversupply and control MU, gj on this one MA!

    Changes came. Lyst were put in redu area for a while to test while redu cap was not removed, meaning u could still hit global if lucky during little gap of wave with even lvl13.

    Changes again happened. It was raining back in 2012-2014 (cant' really recall, but check for Squallxx spam with lvl13 back in days). Then it calmed down.

    To me this was very much expected to come. I actually was prepared that it will rain sooner or later (was thinking after summer it would thu), but it came sooner than that

    Btw i had almost 100% redu hit with no lyst during the redumania.

    My hope is that more items/upgrades/missions, BPs will use this ore since it is the "top ore" any miner can mine and should be limited as it is. Any newbeginner miner should have a goal to mine this with right and heavy tools/skills, just like for hunting. Take Mulciber; u cant ask a noob to hunt it and benefit from any special drop it give. Same should the high end ores in game be too. There have to be a focus and a goal. No goal = a dead game. I have long ago stopped mentoring ppl just because of this.


    At the end i want to say that:
    This HAVE happened before and WILL happen again! Mark my words.

    Regards, the redu king

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    From reading the other comments, it seems like this is more of an award for prepared high level players rather than an attempt to drop redulite MU. Which is cool to see.

    MU is now in the hands of the players with majority supply. Happy profits then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Flyster View Post
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    I think your entire premise is wrong. I have never believed in a cap on resources. The only thing MA control is drop rate, entirely separate to how much of anything there is in the universe.

    I don't believe MA removed a cap, I think MA increased the drop rate. Simple

    I have never seen evidence of hoarding anything reduces drop rates. They are not linked.

    IMAO

    EDIT: i should clarify, i am only talking about ores and enmatters

    Rgds

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    Good, I'm glad if there is evidence showing that resource caps are not real. I also am more of a believer in drop rates then caps, but when you are told enough times by people who should know, then you start to believe them.

    All of the other arguments in my post are still valid however, since, as Divinity stated, hoarding is still a thing and still works for some individuals who are controlling the supply and thus the markup.

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