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    Post LEGEND's TIER'ed ARMOR SETS! - Twin Peaks Mall, 2nd Floor


    Thank you for checking out my new "TIER'ed Armor Sets" shop where I plan to put on offer some of the better Unlimited Armor sets with tiers 2 and above!

    All about Armor Enhancers


    First let's talk about Armor Enhancers and what they can do for you. When it comes to Armors, there are only 2 types of Enhancers available: Durability and Defense. In order to get the most benefit from each one of these, it's important to understand how they work and what they do exactly. In one very brief and concise statement, here's what they do:

    Durability enhancers reduce protection costs. For UL armors, the decay savings amount to ~0.3%/tier, for (L) armors, they add up to ~1.3%/tier
    ~ • ~ ~ • ~
    Defense enhancers raise protection values on all armors by 5%/tier
    Allow me to explain how that works exactly:

    Durability Enhancers:
    When you add a Durability Enhancer to a piece of Armor, it increases the Durability of that piece of Armor by 10%. So if you are adding a Durability Enhancer to a Tiger Helmet (L) for example, the Durability on that helmet will go from 13,500 to 14,850 (because 13,500*1.10=14,850).

    The Durability number on a piece of armor is what determines how much it will decay per point of damage absorbed, the higher the number, the cheaper it will be. Some testing was done many years ago to determine what the exact costs were, what was found is:

    Decay = damage * 0.05 (1 - durability/100000)

    When you add a Durability Enhancer to a piece of Armor, it increases the Durability of that piece of Armor by 10%. So if you are adding a Durability Enhancer to a Tiger Helmet (L) for example, the Durability on that helmet will go from 13,500 to 14,850 (because 13,500*1.10=14,850). Since 1000 points of Durability is equal to approximately 1% in protection costs, this additional 1,350 points of Durability will amount to approximately 1.35% reduction of the protection costs.

    This 1.35% may not seem like much, but it adds up, especially on Limited armors that have a high markup. For example, if you had let's say a half tt set of Perseus that was tier 4 and added Durability enhancers to all the pieces, your savings when factoring in a 140% markup for Perseus would add up to approximately 50 PED. On Supremacy (L), if we assume an average markup around 150%, the savings could easily add up to well over 200 PED, depending on how fast the parts tier up.

    However for Unlimited armors, we get a completely different picture. If we were to add a Durability Enhancer to a piece of Adjusted Jaguar, our Durability of 3700 only goes up to 4070 and that would reduce the decay costs by only ~0.30%. But is it possible to realize a savings by using Durability enhancers on Unlimited armors? In order to answer that, we need to understand the following:

    a) MindArk has stated that all defensive costs are now compensated for in the loot of the mob at a rate of approximately 95% since the launch of Loot 2.0 in June 2017 (that includes both armor and FAP decay)

    b) The tt of enhancers is refunded with shrapnel when they break

    c) Enhancers break randomly and it is not possible to predict the break rate with absolute certainty

    Since Durability enhancers seem to cost on average 250% these days, we will need to accomplish a savings of at least 90 PEC otherwise it would not be worth using them. In order to accomplish that savings, we need the armor to decay at least 18 PED before 1 Durability enhancer breaks (18*0.05=0.90 PEC of decay not returned in the loot of the mob).

    I have not done the research yet to determine what the average break rate is for Durability enhancers, but I think it's unlikely that any net savings can be achieved. When I have more data, I'll update this thread with my results.

    Defense Enhancers:
    A Defense Enhancer will increase the protection values of an armor piece by 5%, so for example, if we were to add Defense Enhancers on Tiger armor, we get this:

    Tiger
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Impact
    25
    26.2
    27.5
    28.7
    30
    Cut
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    Stab
    17
    17.8
    18.7
    19.5
    20.4
    Burn
    19
    19.9
    20.9
    21.8
    22.8
    Penetration
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Cold
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Acid
    8
    8.4
    8.8
    9.2
    9.6

    Defense Enhancers are the better option for unlimited armors, and they are very useful on limited armors as well, especially the high-level ones where a 5% increase to the protection adds up to a lot. For example a tier 10 Perseus Harness, when filled with Defense enhancers, will give you 75 Impact, 60 Cut and 64.5 Stab protection, which is like wearing both Chronicle (which currently has the highest Cut/Stab protection available in the game) and Carramone (which has the highest Impact) at the same time.

    One thing to keep in mind however, is that you will pay for that extra protection, at the same rate as the rest of the protection on the armor. What that means for Limited armors is that it might only last you about 67% as long as what you are used to, because they will be absorbing a lot more damage and therefore decaying faster (depending on how much damage the armor is absorbing of course).

    And what it means for Unlimited armors is that adding a bunch of enhancers on Tier 4 or 5 Ghost for example, though it might give you a nice boost in protection values, will be a very expensive setup for hunting in the long run because of the low Durability on Ghost armor which is only 2000, so you can expect your decay bill to be significantly higher than what you are used to.

    What Armor Sets are worth Tiering up:
    Since Tiering up an Armor set is a big investment both in terms of time and PED (in the form of hunting losses assuming a hunting tt return of about 96%-97%), then a good question to ask is "what armors are worth the time and money to Tier up?"

    Though I haven't really researched this very thoroughly, I have given it a lot of thought. There are a few things to consider in order to give a complete answer:

    1. Is the set useful, versatile and popular?
    2. Is there an upgrade mission associated with this set?
    3. Does that set have a decent Durability stat?
    4. Is it Avatar bound?

    So for 1 above, I would not waste my time tiering up a set of Dragon armor for example since it isn't useful really, it's more of a vanity/collectors item, so it's very unlikely that anyone would ever recognize any added value from it being tiered. For 2, I'd stay away from tiering up sets like Vigilante and Nemesis since most of the buyers are interested in just upgrading it to Adjusted, which means they will not recognize any added value for tiered pieces since the tiers are lost when the upgrade is performed. For 3, if the Durability is low like on Ghost (2000) or Hunter Mentor Edition (1680), it's just not a good investment because the added protection will just be expensive in the long run. And for 4, obviously if you can't sell it, then it would be impossible to get your money back from the investment, but of course for your own personal benefit, Stolen Imperium and Modified Viceroy are very useful sets and are worth tiering up.

    Some Unlimited Armor sets I think are really worth Tiering up would be:

    1. FEN Angel
    2. Mayhem
    3. Shadow
    4. Lion
    5. Liakon
    6. Tiger
    7. Ghoul
    8. Gremlin
    9. eMINE
    10. Mah'ketta

    And of course rare uber Unlimited armors like: Ethereal, Carramone, Supremacy, Modified Shadow, Modified Angel, Rx OpTac, Eon, Imperial Hazen, Wormslayer, Vain, ...

    I've left out Adjusted Jaguar, Adjusted Boar, Adjusted Angel, Adjusted Nemesis and Modified Vigilante because I suspect that MindArk will someday make an upgrade mission available for these, but these are all very good sets and I don't think it's a waste of time at all to tier them up, especially the Adjusted Boar, Jaguar, Angel and Modified Vigilante. All of the armors listed though should be safe from ever having an upgrade mission associated with them.

    In Summary:
    Armor Durability enhancers are best used on Limited armor, and the biggest savings and benefits to be obtained would be when used on Limited armors that have high markup, like Supremacy (L), Mayhem (L) and Shadow (L) for example.

    Armor Defense enhancers are of benefit on both the Limited and Unlimited armors. The largest gains will be when used on the highest level armors in each category, so for example Sentinel and Carramone for Impact, Chronicle for Cut/Stab, Perseus for Impact/Cut/Stab, Pegasus and RX OpTac x2 for Burn/Penetration and Imperial Hazen for Acid/Cold/Electric.

    Armor Skill Mod enhancers would, once introduced, only be of benefit when used on an Unlimited armor.

    ---
    I hope you have found this guide informative and helpful. Please do check out my inventory in the next post below. I've created tables to show what the protection will be at each tier so it's easier to see what a set might have to offer at higher tier levels.
    Last edited by Legends; 03-20-2020 at 06:25.
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    So there are some decent benefits to be had from tiered unlimited armor, in the form of increased protection through the use of Defense Enhancers. Unfortunately it can take a very long time to get an armor piece from tier 0 to tier 1 and above, thousands of PEDs will need to be spent on hunting and probably well over 100 hours of hunting.

    The idea with my "TIER'ed Armor Sets" shop is to offer hunters a shortcut, a way to fast forward to a good set right now, at a reasonable price. By offering sets that are already tier 2 and above, I'm providing you with a chance to start out with an Armor that you can boost by 10% using Defense Enhancers, making that armor set much more useful overall.

    Here are the Armors currently in stock at the shop:

    Liakon (F) - Phantom (M)


    Phantom
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Tier 5
    Impact:
    25
    26.2
    27.5
    28.7
    30
    31.2
    Cut:
    15
    15.7
    16.5
    17.2
    18
    18.7
    Stab:
    14
    14.7
    15.4
    16.1
    16.8
    17.5
    Burn:
    18
    18.9
    19.8
    20.7
    21.6
    22.5
    Cold:
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    15
    Electric:
    11
    11.5
    12.1
    12.6
    13.2
    13.7
    * I've omitted the Acid, Shrapnel and Penetration protection from the Phantom table above since those values are so low to begin with that defense enhancers won't really make any significant difference on them

    Liakon
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Tier 5
    Impact:
    21
    22
    23.1
    24.1
    25.2
    26.2
    Cut:
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    25
    Stab:
    19
    19.9
    20.9
    21.8
    22.8
    23.7
    Cold:
    31
    32.5
    34.1
    35.6
    37.2
    38.7

    Adjusted Vigilante (F) - eMINE (M)


    eMINE
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Impact:
    19
    19.9
    20.9
    21.8
    22.8
    Cut:
    19
    19.9
    20.9
    21.8
    22.8
    Stab:
    19
    19.9
    20.9
    21.8
    22.8
    Burn:
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Penetration:
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Shrapnel:
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    Cold:
    7
    7.3
    7.7
    8
    8.4
    Electric:
    7
    7.3
    7.7
    8
    8.4

    Adjusted Vigilante
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Impact:
    9
    9.4
    9.9
    10.3
    10.8
    Cut:
    14
    14.7
    15.4
    16.1
    16.8
    Stab:
    14
    14.7
    15.4
    16.1
    16.8
    Burn:
    18
    18.9
    19.8
    20.7
    21.6
    Penetration:
    18
    18.9
    19.8
    20.7
    21.6
    Shrapnel:
    10
    10.5
    11
    11.5
    12

    Jarhead (M)


    Jarhead
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Impact:
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    Cut:
    21
    22
    23.1
    24.1
    25.2
    Stab:
    14
    14.7
    15.4
    16.1
    16.8
    Burn:
    10
    10.5
    11
    11.5
    12
    Penetration:
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Cold:
    4
    4.2
    4.4
    4.6
    4.8
    * I've omitted the Acid, Shrapnel and Electric protection from the Jarhead table above since those values are so low to begin with that defense enhancers won't really make any significant difference on them
    Zombie (M)


    Zombie
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Impact:
    17
    17.8
    18.7
    19.5
    20.4
    Cut:
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Stab:
    10
    10.5
    11
    11.5
    12
    Burn:
    10
    10.5
    11
    11.5
    12
    Cold:
    10
    10.5
    11
    11.5
    12
    Electric:
    10
    10.5
    11
    11.5
    12
    * I've omitted the Acid, Shrapnel and Penetration protection from the Zombie table above since those values are so low to begin with that defense enhancers won't really make any significant difference on them

    Perseus w/high tier numbers


    Perseus (L)
    Damage Type
    Base Protection
    Tier 1
    Tier 2
    Tier 3
    Tier 4
    Tier 5
    Tier 6
    Tier 7
    Tier 8
    Tier 9
    Tier 10
    Impact:
    50
    52.5
    55
    57.5
    60
    62.5
    65
    67.5
    70
    72.5
    75
    Cut:
    40
    42
    44
    46
    48
    50
    52
    54
    56
    58.5
    60
    Stab:
    43
    45.1
    47.3
    49.4
    51.6
    53.7
    55.9
    58
    60.2
    62.3
    64.5
    Burn:
    27
    28.3
    29.7
    31
    32.4
    33.7
    35.1
    36.4
    37.8
    39.1
    40.5
    Penetration:
    18
    18.9
    19.8
    20.7
    21.6
    22.5
    23.4
    24.3
    25.2
    26.1
    27
    Acid:
    24
    25.2
    26.4
    27.6
    28.8
    30
    31.2
    32.4
    33.6
    34.8
    36
    Electric:
    13
    13.6
    14.3
    14.9
    15.6
    16.2
    16.9
    17.5
    18.2
    18.8
    19.5

    --

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    --- My other Armor Shops:

    For Burn & Penetration protection, please visit my Robot Armor shop thread

    For Impact, Cut and Stab protection, please visit my Animal Armor shop thread

    For protection well suited for the upcoming Mayhem, please visit my Mayhem Armor shop thread
    Last edited by Legends; 03-14-2020 at 00:01.
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    The following sets are currently available at the shop:

    Liakon (F)
    Helmet - tier 2.89
    Harness - tier 3.19
    Arms - tier 2.89
    Gloves - tier 2.09
    Thighs - tier 2.39
    Shins - tier 2.29
    Foot - tier 1.59

    Phantom (M)
    Face - tier 1.85
    No Harness
    Arms - tier 2.00
    No Gloves
    No Thighs
    Shins - tier 1.96
    Foot - tier 2.79

    eMINE (M)
    Helmet - tier 2.39
    Harness - tier 2.72
    Arms - tier 2.41
    Gloves - tier 2.11
    Thighs - tier 2.13
    Shins - tier 3.09
    Foot - tier 1.89

    Adj Vigi (F)
    Helmet - tier 2.80
    Harness - tier 3.10
    Arms - tier 2.69
    Gloves - tier 2.69
    No Thighs
    Shins - tier 2.89
    Foot - tier 3.09

    Jarhead (M)
    Face - tier 3.09
    Harness - tier 3.10
    Arms - tier 3.69
    Gloves - tier 2.29
    Thighs - tier 3.29
    No Shins
    Foot - tier 1.79

    Zombie (M)
    Face - tier 2.39
    Harness - tier 2.69
    Arms - tier 2.09
    Gloves - tier 2.09
    Thighs - tier 2.39
    Shins - tier 2.39
    Foot - tier 2.39

    Gremlin (M)
    Face - tier 2.79
    Harness - tier 3.59
    No Arms
    No Gloves

    Thighs - tier 2.99
    No Shins
    No Foot


    I've also got a full set of tier 2 Tiger (M) available but I'm not putting this one in the shop because I don't want to risk that someone will come along and just buy 1 part and break the set, so if you are interested, please send me a private message.


    Tiger
    Damage Type
    No Enhancers
    with 1 Defense Enhancer
    with 2 Defense Enhancers
    with 3 Defense Enhancers
    with 4 Defense Enhancers
    Impact
    25
    26.2
    27.5
    28.7
    30
    Cut
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    Stab
    17
    17.8
    18.7
    19.5
    20.4
    Burn
    19
    19.9
    20.9
    21.8
    22.8
    Penetration
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Cold
    12
    12.6
    13.2
    13.8
    14.4
    Acid
    8
    8.4
    8.8
    9.2
    9.6

    With 5B plates:


    Here are the tiers for each part:

    - Helmet is tier 1.85
    - Harness is tier 3.00
    - Arms are tier 2.41
    - Gloves are tier 2.01
    - Thighs are tier 2.54
    - Shins are tier 2.40
    - Feet are tier 2.39
    Last edited by Legends; 04-04-2020 at 14:20.
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    The following sets are currently available at the shop:

    Liakon (F)
    Helmet - tier 2.89
    Harness - tier 3.19
    Arms - tier 2.89
    Gloves - tier 2.09
    Thighs - tier 2.39
    Shins - tier 2.29
    Foot - tier 1.59

    Phantom (M)
    Face - tier 1.85
    No Harness
    Arms - tier 2.00
    No Gloves
    No Thighs
    Shins - tier 1.96
    Foot - tier 2.79

    eMINE (M)
    Helmet - tier 2.39
    Harness - tier 2.72
    Arms - tier 2.41
    Gloves - tier 2.11
    Thighs - tier 2.13
    Shins - tier 3.09
    Foot - tier 1.89

    Adj Vigi (F)
    Helmet - tier 2.80
    Harness - tier 3.10
    Arms - tier 2.69
    Gloves - tier 2.69
    Thighs - tier 2.59
    Shins - tier 2.89
    Foot - tier 3.09

    Jarhead (M)
    Face - tier 3.09
    Harness - tier 3.10
    Arms - tier 3.69
    Gloves - tier 2.29
    Thighs - tier 3.29
    No Shins
    Foot - tier 1.79

    Zombie (M)
    Face - tier 2.39
    Harness - tier 2.69
    Arms - tier 2.09
    Gloves - tier 2.09
    Thighs - tier 2.39
    Shins - tier 2.39
    Foot - tier 2.39

    Gremlin (M)
    Face - tier 2.79
    Harness - tier 3.59
    No Arms
    No Gloves

    Thighs - tier 2.99
    No Shins
    No Foot


    ---
    Tiger (M)
    Helmet is tier 1.85
    Harness is tier 3.00
    Arms are tier 2.41
    Gloves are tier 2.01
    Thighs are tier 2.54
    Shins are tier 2.40
    Feet are tier 2.39

    --TIGER SOLD AS A SET ONLY - PM IF INTERESTED--

    Added 3 parts of Gremlin (M) in the shop today.

    Cheers o/

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