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    Quote Originally Posted by hogfather View Post
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    +rep for a well researched and informative post with a lot of value for players.

    Only comment I would make is that maybe you'd want to include the 'lowering protection' part of UL armors in your decay/cost calculations, since after a point in a hunt, especially with low TT and durability armors new players use, the difference in protection is going to manifest as added healing costs.
    Thanks hogfather, I really appreciate your positive feedback

    I did allude to this in the 1st post, under 'Limited vs Unlimited armor'

    1. Unlimited Armors provide less and less protection as they decay:
    One particular feature that MindArk introduced (VU 9.1 I believe) for Unlimited Armors is that they will provide less and less protection as they decay. You still only pay for the damage that is absorbed by the Armor, so this doesnít affect your protection costs in any way, but it can sometimes be an inconvenience and require that you heal more often (using a FAP which in many cases is less economical then Armor) as your hunt progresses, or that you travel back to a repair terminal to fix your Armor so that it will provide full protection again.
    I will take another look and see if there's anything more I can add in the decay/cost calculations as you suggested, but this may prove very difficult as there's no way to know or predict what the actual added costs might be without knowing what healing tool is being used since they all have different costs (hp heal/pec).

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    Nicely done, thanks for all your info +1 rep!

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    An amazing amount of work there Legends and a great value to the community there.

    I have doubts about that armor decay returned in loot part though. They are all based on a random assumption. Even though i understand the reason behind such an assumption (we do not have any other data to base it on), i would like to see a more thorough research be done on that aspect. If anyone would be willing to do a thorough research on that topic i would be willing to "compensate" for the time spent on that. The data and the methods would of course need to be shared to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack View Post
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    Good looking guide Legends, very nicely done.
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    Amazing guide, will bookmark this for disciples
    Many things I didn't know!

    Thanks guys, your positive feedback is very much appreciated. Hoping to have the Armor Upgrades section posted later today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel O2 Mercer View Post
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    Be careful then and do your own research, every PEC put into markup is gone bye bye (same goes for L weapons, L amps, etc) while pure TT decay is mostly compensated in loot, markup is not.

    I'm not saying L armors are bad, they have their place but newbies and disciples should not waste MU on (L) armors.

    It's just my opinion.
    That is correct, the loot system never accounts for markup and I have a section which explains this in detail in the 2nd post which goes over Durability and the Economy of Armors (both Limited and Unlimited).

    Of course I encourage others to do their own research, this always helps greatly in solidifying one's understanding. I will also provide a write-up on how to test for exact decay shortly in the article on 'Further Research'. I also would welcome others to share their own methods and results, as the more data points we have the clearer the picture becomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan View Post
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    Nicely done, thanks for all your info +1 rep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DraKil View Post
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    An amazing amount of work there Legends and a great value to the community there
    Thanks Drakil, yes this was indeed quite a bit of work but it feels good to get it all out of my head, and now that it's done, it's easier to see where our understanding is poor and more data is needed.

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    I have doubts about that armor decay returned in loot part though. They are all based on a random assumption. Even though i understand the reason behind such an assumption (we do not have any other data to base it on), i would like to see a more thorough research be done on that aspect. If anyone would be willing to do a thorough research on that topic i would be willing to "compensate" for the time spent on that. The data and the methods would of course need to be shared to the public.
    Indeed, this is something I've been thinking about more and more. Charlie's statement is a bit vague on this and that's really all we have right now. We need to test this and gather some data so we have a better understanding of what this so called 'compensation' actually consists of.

    I will add this to the article on 'Further Research'

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    Tremendous work!

    Tremendous work. Thorough, clearly written and well presented. This work of yours is a model or all future documentary contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramses View Post
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    Tremendous work. Thorough, clearly written and well presented. This work of yours is a model or all future documentary contributions.
    Thanks Ramses
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