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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket192 View Post
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    Serious question. Been having some serious issues with this game since returning as it pertains to observed resource caps and lack of multipliers.

    I arguably cycle more than 98% of the miners here per day at less than 1% markup input and I can't for the life of me seem to get to 90% tt
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    Here's some data from my sheet, think it's around 50-50 unamped vs level 5's and "regular" finder:
    Total probes (including amp decay) TT dropped: 243909 PED
    Total resources out: 249538.23 PED
    TT return rate: 102.30%

    Numbers above do not include extraction decay (old TT extractor) and finder decay, think this adds around 1% to costs.
    This also does not include my latest tower which I got on planet with regular finder and level 5 amp (6700PED or so)

    Think I will be on a down swing soon.

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    Maybe the markup areas are overmined thus the lower tt return %.
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    this awesome feeling when you get 3 SOOTOs (1 PED TT , 2.3k% MU per) in a row of 3 50 PED runs , but the TT-return is just 50% or lower
    the payback hof is a lie

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    You mentioned resource caps.....

    you must be mining on Caly.

    Leave Caly and mining will be better overall. I assume you are running standard markup areas as well (belk, redulite ect) Which will only be normal return a fraction of the time due to lyst/oil coming out after cap is reached.

    Caly is currently resource capped and it definitely affects returns as there will be a point in most areas in which you get only lyst/oil, destroying any averaged positive runs or targeted loot runs.

    I never run into this issue on Ark or RT., once you have those planets mapped its very easy to target markup and get exactly what you came for without lyst/oil messing it all up.

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    In my >1million PED mining experience, heavily mined areas generally have lower tt.

    I have been advertising Ashi as a good mu spot for sometime now... and I can see the gradual increase in overall players there, as well as my own tt / other's tt decrease proportionally. However, if you mine only waved Ashi, you can still do well at 75%tt.


    There are certain resources not as available to bigger amps, yes. But the mining world has changed and quite a lot in the last 8 months.


    Small amps = best overall mu/ped spent
    Big amps = deplete waved resources faster, best ped/time spent

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    I've read through the responses here.

    I mine a lot of RT and ark planetside, i also do some indoors unamped (ignis and gazz bruhhhh) and I'm still just not hitting multis, that's the issue. The system refuses to pay out multipliers in anything that isn't complete TT food.

    I don't mine treasure, lyst, oil, force nexus, narc, cald, etc.... Markup is king and if the system in it's current state refuses to pay out ~90% TT returns for practicing good efficiency and applying good knowledge then there's a a flaw in there. I'm not going to meme drop on foma for the 1-2 towers/day we get there because i know there's no positive expectancy for that.

    Ashi is fine and all, and i've dropped almost 50% of my TT there, looted a fuck ton of pyrite, still have most of it in storage (probably why it's up from 195 to 215% now) but honestly it's boring as fuck and grinding that every month for maybe a 1-2% profit margin can seriously fuck off because my time isn't worth that.

    Also if the mods are gonna change the title they should have changed it to: "how do get 90% TT without mining useless garbage"

    that being said, I am still at 86.61% TT return. I'm breaking even after markup (barely) but i spend 8-10h/day dropping probes and MA obviously nerfed some basic dynamics to prevent situations in the past where I was able to squeeze out 92-93% TT and 118-121% markup output and profit five figures on almost a monthly basis. MA has said before they do nothing to tamper with markup as it's set by the players, adjusting the TT returns by never permitting a multiplier on 95% of the resources in game is a good way around that wording.

    Regardless I don't see an edge here. Should have seen that coming when everyoen and their mother wanted to sell their UL amps, which as i've said several times since 2017, are completely worthless relative to their price. Remember pre-2016? Remember Eve basically bankrupting MA with that UL7 cycling 300k+/month and ripping out 125% markup output? lmfao. UL amps were great then, now they're mostly just a meme for reselling as you can use L amps for 1% input or less thanks to shrapnel and modified finders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket192 View Post
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    The system refuses to pay out multipliers in anything that isn't complete TT food.
    It works the other way around - anything that the system is willing to let you have big multipliers in becomes TT food soon.
    There are many ways to skin a cat but just one way to boil a frog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket192 View Post
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    Regardless I don't see an edge here. Should have seen that coming when everyoen and their mother wanted to sell their UL amps, which as i've said several times since 2017, are completely worthless relative to their price. Remember pre-2016? Remember Eve basically bankrupting MA with that UL7 cycling 300k+/month and ripping out 125% markup output? lmfao. UL amps were great then, now they're mostly just a meme for reselling as you can use L amps for 1% input or less thanks to shrapnel and modified finders.
    Guess MA's motive? One way to bring MU up is decrease the tt. L players won't be able the survive well in the transition.

    Back then MU was higher across the board for all 3 major professions.

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