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Don't switch from one mob to another so fast. Stay biting the same tit for a long time. Example check the data of a winning Uber such as "Enpeba kike xp", note that he does not release his mob until his return.

And if you cannot keep hunting the same mob in quantity - for example killing more than 1500 or 3000 mobs, it is best to downsize the mobs that you hunt :wtg:
 
i feel ur pain

hope u damn good luck in this migration..

plz getting hof from eomon/LT:bowdown: (ath)
 
mix in 200-300 puny mobs/very low click-cost/tt-finder drops in every now and then and see if that helps.

I know, it's quite silly having to do beginners stuff with higher levels just to get somewhat okay returns, but what you gonna do...
 
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First of all, i have run multiple 1M cycle tests with various efficiencies and can assure you that there is something wrong either in your return calculations or cycle

With your looter level and ~65% eff. your CURRENT projected tt return should be around 93,31%. Since you started with lower looter, we can easily take away 1% from the returns that leaves you with the 92,31% tt return average so far

Loosing as much as -65k, you should be around 845k cycle, and this is without looting any MU (which is unlikely unless MU input consumes the MU gain)

And tbh, above still is the best case scenario, but i can assure you and everyone else, that cycling this amount of PEDs, it is impossible to get 75% returns in hunting

All of these calculations are based on my personal observations that happens to reflect returns as stated by MA
 
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Mulmun loot was atrocious for me too yesterday.

Killed over a thousand with one global.

-Sityl

wizz said:
talking about broken loot.

Can mayhem mulmun actually global? :scratch2:

Just passed codex Rank 8 and not a single global yet. in 8 ranks I got a 33 and 37 pedder and the rest all below 10 ped.
Mulmun 3 and 5.

Screw this bullshit mayhem.
It only causes mayhem on your ped card :mad:
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From what I have noticed the game punishes you if you play too much! I noticed it last summer vacations and also now during the pandemic quarantine. I only play for 12 years so I must be wrong of course. It's like you paying for each online hour you spent playing. It's weird but is what actually this game promote, casual playing. Take a few weeks off, if that is too much for you maybe just 2/3 days. Every time I come back after those mini vacations the loot is almost always better. It's sad but it's what it's. The game changed when they introduced CLD and the "investment" where you earn money by waiting others to do the activities, not you! Most drastic change was in 2013 with the multi cap on almost everything. This is not the same game when I started playing. I try to adapt but sometimes we have weak times.
 
Fanan said:
From what I have noticed the game punishes you if you play too much!
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i disagree - my TT returns/variance always improves the more hours/day i pump into cycling.

holding your belief would suggest that maybe you're in the right place at the right time more than not.
 
Rocket192 said:
i disagree - my TT returns/variance always improves the more hours/day i pump into cycling.

holding your belief would suggest that maybe you're in the right place at the right time more than not.
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for me it's the longer i play the worse it gets as well. The first 20-30 minutes are quite okay, after that multipliers etc. usually become non-existant.
 
Im sorry for your losses...

I just wanted to drop in and offer something intriguing...

It is of my opinion that the community at large has never really figured out some of the nuances of loot 2.0

In the past we have had a very active subset of players that would analyze everything (publicly)

I can tell you this:
I too Akon have played less this past year because of irl (its all good!) But before i left, I was testing loot 2.0 quite heavily.. and I can tell you guys I started to find some things that are not common knowledge (yet). Im not trying to be mysterious, my testing isnt done and now i have a gap to fill (MA might have tinkered)

Either way, I think there are some mysteries yet to be discovered in 2.0
 
atm i can only say this actually i have a return of 65% last 2 weeks (and the 65 % is only ammo+weapon rep Decay on armor or Mu for enhancers not includet ) have hunted Muluk Hir Elite ,Artrox and some other Mobs arround lvl 20 to 50 my runs mostly longer ones 1-2 Hours a mob then cnange to another one for a hour and back to the first .on the elite Mukuk Hirs the return startet good for me the first 3 days i hit 5 times 7-850 ped Hofs and last 10 days i had mostly phases with 12-17 ped return on 45 ped Mobs in a row last 5 runs on the elites was 1300 ped spend and around 700-1100 ped return the biggest loss was a 20 mob run with one 170 ped swirl 2 40+pe loots and rest 17 under 25 ped but atm ist not only on this Muls with this return ist also on all my other activitys or Targets . Problem in my eyes is simply why i should Hunt for Hours with significant losses and without any Chance to hit something big ? and if i Hit something bigger why is it 90% shrapnel with a Mu of 100,5 if u find a buyer ?!

and yes i see same Things you hunt a creature for Long time someone jumps near you kill one to 3 Mobs and hit high or become 2 bigger swirlson 3 Mobs where u have killed xx without a global woth the Name...
 
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Arckaf said:
atm i can only say this actually i have a return of 65% last 2 weeks (and the 65 % is only ammo+weapon rep Decay on armor or Mu for enhancers not includet ) have hunted Muluk Hir Elite ,Artrox and some other Mobs arround lvl 20 to 50 my runs mostly longer ones 1-2 Hours a mob then cnange to another one for a hour and back to the first .on the elite Mukuk Hirs the return startet good for me the first 3 days i hit 5 times 7-850 ped Hofs and last 10 days i had mostly phases with 12-17 ped return on 45 ped Mobs in a row last 5 runs on the elites was 1300 ped spend and around 700-1100 ped return the biggest loss was a 20 mob run with one 170 ped swirl 2 40+pe loots and rest 17 under 25 ped but atm ist not only on this Muls with this return ist also on all my other activitys or Targets . Problem in my eyes is simply why i should Hunt for Hours with significant losses and without any Chance to hit something big ? and if i Hit something bigger why is it 90% shrapnel with a Mu of 100,5 if u find a buyer ?!

and yes i see same Things you hunt a creature for Long time someone jumps near you kill one to 3 Mobs and hit high or become 2 bigger swirlson 3 Mobs where u have killed xx without a global woth the Name...
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Love these posts so we are at 65% now . Can we get to 50% ? Anyone ?
 
People have forgotten the old quote from MA support about returns.. "you need to cycle more to see steady returns, BUT its not guaranteed"
 
Funny how players can easy believe in 75% returns but don't believe in 100%+...

:scratch2::scratch2:
 
ATTK.

I can relate directly to your scenario for ped cycled vs return %'s and instances where I have been cycling ped for hours without that money shot, and some dude will just waltz in take a nice loot or few of them and never seen there again.

I have tracked my spend in last 12 months and my returns have been at the same percentages for ped spent. Not going to delve how deeply I spend but the %'s are the same for return.

What I have done even further to check my numbers is I started hunt one mob for a long extended time that to me is good to hunt for my gear and skill and I prefer to not heal but will use MF healing if I inclined to. I track globals on EL and compare those to my own notes I keep offhand in a sheet. I grind for 8 hrs weekdays and up to 12 - 16 weekends. Also work full time and I support family so I am quite cut on my time spent on the pc's.

Often I use F key to just target and go, but I have found when hunting just one mob I have found some relation to spawn patterns and chase those exceptional loots. Having said that it I Do Not have solid proof but I believe in it. So long story short, when I tally up monthly it doesn't add up either. But, I'm still here and grinding.

And also got look at all the locked threads.

RicK
 
I have decent/good setup 85 effi, 3.540 dpp, speed and crit cap from rings + mod viceroy, i have almost 0 healcost. My runs are 1kped and takes about 1hr, a 0 global run for me is 300 ped loss and means i need 300 ped in just globals every hr to just pull even, this 0 global thingy can happen several runs in a row. Ppl aspire to reach 90% return as its a good thing, 90% return for me is 1k ped loss every day. I actually been doing decent the past year and havent deposited to play for a long time, but as soon as i made a deposit a few months ago everything turned to shite 70% run after 70% run. Like a free for all MA smash and grab.
 
Shilda said:
Funny how players can easy believe in 75% returns but don't believe in 100%+...

:scratch2::scratch2:
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Depending how they calculate their return.

We had a soc mate who was complained about his bad returns, we asked him how and what happend.
Ofc i cant remember the exact numbers from months ago, so i will use example number's:

He said he used 1000p ammo and ended up like 600p in return.
After asking him more, we find out it was the way of his calculation was the issue.
He hunted the 1000p ammo, convert back, and again and again a few more times.

So it was really an 5000p cycle and return was 90%+, but 5000 cycle with 90%+ return is really 600p at the end, if you only had 1000p at start.
If you count like this, the 65-75% is possible, but with properly tracked returns i would be surprised if its possible in long term.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?314963-Afroman-s-Hunting-Log-2020&p=3755726&viewfull=1#post3755726

Perfect example of what is the lower end of the hunting tt return, with 40lvl looter and L stuff.
Yes, sure +/- a few percent is ok, but -20% hardly believable in long term.
 
Love these posts so we are at 65% now . Can we get to 50% ? Anyone ?
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hey i dont know how it works out for you bit if i spend for a Run 1k ped ammo and 400 ped Rep my runs is a 1,4 k ped Run and if i get on this a TT return of 800 ped in 8 of 10 Run´s the one Breakeven and the + Run mostly a 16xx ped Run dont bring me near the 90 + % of return that i should have … and just to imagine startet 2 weeks ago with lvl 0 in Muluk-Hir and atm im at lvl 19.3 so you can imagine how many of these Creatures ive Hunted last Days . I dont know exactly but the 0.25 % Returns on a Creature hit me very often last days and im not sure if MA atm is filling the lootpool for the Event but if you circle 10 k peds day this return break your Ped Card fast .
 
75% seems really bad here, I looked at most posts and there are some informative things hidden in there.

but even at my worst times, im hitting 88% returns. and when they stay 88 for a while (200k cycle) usually hit something large afterwards.

thing is though, if u shoot 16k peds a day, as I can do on some weekends, that equates to a 2k ped loss in 1 day. on 200k cycle that's 24k peds lost.

bank roll management should be no.1 priority, not ur skills or weapons u own. make sure you can afford the lulls.
or deposit more if needed.

and remember, you are not the only person playing the game. I know this is hard thing to wrap your head around, but im usually 50-150 top hunters. at a cycle of about 125-150k a month. now multiply that by how many ppl are playing. the top 50 are cycling more then me. the top ten, A LOT more then me. I would say in a month something like 10million+ peds are being cycled globally. Hunting only.

out of those 10+ million how many are you cycling?
95% on 10 millions peds is 500,000peds lost :)
 
urgh Today start like last 2 Weeks 1st Run was relativ ok for me with a return of 93.2% but then 2nd rund 1460 ped spend and a return of 780 ped (53%) , 3rd spend 813.6 ped and a return of 560.75 (68%) if this goes on this way i come closer and closer to the old times before 2.0 ...
 
I can feel the pain of you guy after loosing 3.6k tt in 10 days which is just under 97%tt i could imagine like 24k-27k tt loss if i had 75% tt. and i would just rage quit.
 
don't you worry, you may get a hof or two in a couple years or a decade to make up for it :D

(the last time i've been at 95% return was 3 years and the last hof was 2,5 years ago)
 
I've got some shitty returns myself for the past weeks, hope you hit something
It's better to have some side games after all goes to shit :)
 
Sorry for letting the thread go without answering. My son was born this weekend. I'll get back to y'all when i get more time.
 
Konvicted said:
My son was born this weekend. I'll get back to y'all when i get more time.
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Sounds like you solved the problem. You won’t have time to lose PED now :laugh:
Congratz!
 
This game and its returns have been a sick joke over the last 2 weeks. I've cycled roughly 30k peds and have taken a 6 to 7k loss in just TT alone, add In mu spent and gets even more depressing. Add the losses I've already taken prior to this event and I just feel like quitting, honestly. Just today I cycled about 1500ped and took a lovely 400ped loss :yup:. I cant seem to get a decent loot to at least recover some losses, after all I know I have to pay to play, but this is getting out of hand and ridiculously expensive. My biggest loot came after 3 days of playing this game, the get hooked a depo HOF?? :scratch2: (so it seems in hindsight). Up to then I had deposited £10. Now my deposits are in the thousands after only 5 months playing and its just been loss after loss after loss. I'm now level 47, only hunting mobs up to about 1000hp, this last week went a little bigger to take part in some events like Mspuddings. I'm actually scared to hunt any bigger mobs! Its like a taboo to talk about bad returns, people just say to cycle more and it will get better but the more I cycle the faster I go to 0. Its no wonder player retention is so bad, this is the amazing gaming experience new players are having in 2020 (or am I alone??). I know I don't have high skills and my setup is only at about 68% eff, so is this all I can expect at this level?

Any other newer players having the same experience as me? If this goes on any longer I will be gone for certain, its a joke having to spend $30 or more a day to play this game.
 
I watch people when I go to the casino(maybe 1-2 times a month before covid), mainly because it amazes me how much $ they are willing to put in a video slot machine...couple bucks a spin, I watch them burn through hundreds of dollars, if they do win, they put it right back in... My wife and I will walk in with what we expect to lose, maybe $100-$200 and when its gone we leave, occasionally we walk out with the same $ we brought, and once a blue moon we walk out ahead maybe a few hundred.... due to covid we haven't been this year at all, which is $ saved. I essentially approach this game the same way, I deposit $5-$25 once a week..Sometimes I go bust pretty fast and maybe sweat and hunt punies for awhile, sometimes I'm able to play the whole weekend on a deposit, and occassionly I have peds left over at the end of the weekend I usually use to buy gear as I use limited guns and healer. Last weekend the peds evaporated pretty fast, so this weekend I down graded the gun I usually buy (LR-30 to BC-25) to slow ammo burn rate and put more of my $20 into ammo. Dry spells have always been part of this game, you have to adjust your play style to slow the ped burn rate or be willing to lose a lot. I am not willing to lose a lot, so I adjust my gameplay and spend less time in game hunting at my max level. I know some think they should be able to hunt at their max level all the time and get that mythical 95% TT return, I just don't see that as a possibility...
 
Xavier Target said:
... Dry spells have always been part of this game, you have to adjust your play style to slow the ped burn rate or be willing to lose a lot. I am not willing to lose a lot, so I adjust my gameplay and spend less time in game hunting at my max level. I know some think they should be able to hunt at their max level all the time and get that mythical 95% TT return, I just don't see that as a possibility...
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What he said is correct. It is necesary to note: Unlike other games, this is a game that is played for real money. Therefore, it is not must played at the professional level of their avatars, but must be played at the level of the wallet of the persons behind the avatars. Do not forget that if you play with a lot of intelligence you will receive a rate of return of 95% but there allways will be a 5% gap that if you do not have it controlled will also make you suffer. Example, 5% of 20K USD is 1000 USD! Therefore, do not attempt to play this game at a level other than yours.
 
Genlyk said:
This game and its returns have been a sick joke over the last 2 weeks.

Any other newer players having the same experience as me? If this goes on any longer I will be gone for certain, its a joke having to spend $30 or more a day to play this game.
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Last weekend im too noticed bad returns so i stopped the cycle's earlier than i planned.

About the newer player part, i think im still newer player, Account Created 2019-08-05

Im in the + range since hunting puny's at camp icarus, not much, a few K ped max, but as long as its +, its great.
Ofc i dont rush skilling that fast, after almost an year, my highest is still just lvl35 with around 113k total skills.
Also if i can make some ped, to cover the hunting loss, i will do it.

I dont say you should be a trader that standing 7/24 at twin buying everything, but 1-2 good trade per week / month is sure can help recover some of your losses during the way to uber levels.

Hunting at low lvl looter, low efficiency (68% i count as low, its just a common armatrix and amp and you at 68% probably) is just leveling up with a cost for me.
I will track my hunting when i get my hand on a 90%+ efficiency weapon, maybe there i can have a break even with mu, and if my looter skills goes up, maybe even some profit after mu, but till that, i wont even dreaming about break even. When i go out hunting now, i expect to loose 5-10%.

Only exemption is the mayhems, when i do the mayhem's, i expect no loss at the end, prize's always covered my losses in previsious mayhems, i love them.

You want to reduce your loss, slow down a bit, or improve your gear, with UL BP20 Fen, BC30 mod or LP40 perfected, those are 80-91% eff, or start to do something that can cover some of your losses.
 
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