don't get me wrong, but :
Golun said:
Its absolutely not a good idea to frustrate the ppl starting out in this universe,
atm we have a quitting rate of 70-80%, and this is not just because of hunters who bother the sweaters
most simply don't like sweating, (boring, bad paid) and quit after 2 days
to confirm this, in my 1 year mentoring i had 200 disciples, and 170 who quitted, some are still unsure
Golun said:
they don't, that is why they are sweating
i have to say that i have nothing against non depositer, and i even have some active ones as disciples (exactly 2 atm, 3 when you say fairly active)
i started as sweater too btw, and later deposited, so i know the feelings of both sides (for the records, i never shot a mob that was sweated, unless the sweater followed me and started sweating, what was his risk then, but as long the mob doesn't deal too much damage i wait until the sweating is over before i kill in those cases)
Golun said:
they are the ones that need clothes, guns, armour, and u are frustrating them in their effort to get just that. ...buy armour ,the stuff you looted and sell with a nice markup.
worst you can do as sweater is buying clothes, since they have no use instead of looking good, wasted money for sweaters
gun
always the tt stuff is recommened, neither crafter (and this way miners),hunters nor resellers have something from guns
armor, pixie cost 12.4 , goblin 33.13 ped fully repaired (not full repaired armor has less protection, so no use to wear not fully repaired armor, then you wouldn't need the armor) without markup
let's say the standard newbie makes it 2 days, (what i can confirm too) and plays 4-16 hours before he quit
hard to afford goblin, maybe pixie, shogun is close to impossible
means, you can sell possibly selling goblin and pixie to sweaters before they quit, for this there are enough traders out there, and most hunters won't stand for hours on the market to get +1 ped (if they get it at all)
so, just resellers have something from sweaters
Golun said:
They skill with 10 k of lyst and oil, stuff U mined.
crafting is the most expensive profession
standard loss to get bpc is around 1000 ped, thats 100 000 sweat
Golun said:
and u think u have priority over them and have the "4 pec opalo shot right" to potentialy frustrate them out of the game.
there are usually no hunters needed to frustrate them out of the game, just to mention the boredom, the deaths, and the bad payment
most sweaters get around 5 ped cash, buy an opalo, and want to start earn $$$$ like all the ppl in the all chat who finds a load of cash all the time
but
surprise
the loot is bad
and they think "what a
game, i quit"
maybe even shot some mobs of the sweaters first to calm down?
(not all are annoying the sweaters then, but some for sure)
and yes, hunters have priority
there are 2 options
first, the hunter is a depositer and paid for his hunting trip with rl cash
even if you don't like it, he spent in 99% of the cases more rl cash then the sweaters, and has something to lose
second option, even better
the hunter is a sweater, who sweated hours after hours for a fully repaired goblin armor, the opalo, and the 1k ammo
who has more rights, the newbie insulting him that he shoots his mobs, and in most of the cases a newbie who is simply pissed that this "earning free cash" game is not that easy and will quit anyway in the next 2 hours and just searching a victim to let his frustration out?
or the hunter/sweater who worked hard for this equipment and accepted this?
Dutchie said:
Couldn't disagree more...
There are plenty of mobs out there. If someone is working on one (whether he is sweating or hunting), I leave it alone, unless asked to assist.
It is really irritating if one is sweating and the mob dies. Of course if you start to sweat a mob that is already under attack, it is your risk (I normally do not do that anyway).
Killing a mob that someone is already sweating is just plain rude. Typically the sweaters use the low end mobs and there are plenty of these.
Btw I tend to use sweating to attract the mob in my direction away from the herd before attacking it (I'm into melee).
right, it is inpolite to shoot such a mob, but as long the hunter just use the sweater as human shield to save decay, see my last post
it is indeed inpolite to kill a mob that is sweated actually, especially with enough mobs nearby, but atm you see a sweater invasion in troy, sometime hard to find a target which is "free"
but, see my last point if the hunter just uses you to save HP and decay
here another tactic btw, get some friends, and surround the mob
either the hunter can't get a clear a shot, hits you, or the mob will be trapped and the hunter will lose cash too
all 3 options unacceptable for the hunter
as last tactic, what you should really just use, when the hunter stays, and really gets on your nerves, simply stand in front of him
zoom out to see in which direction he is watching
or get some friends to "trap" him
you shouln't overdo this too, the hunter can report you, harassment, you will be banned, but if he shots your mob all the time, and is just waiting until you are attacked by the next, you have to teach him a lesson
