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A new continent for noobs / non depositors?

A new continent for noobs / non depositors?

  • Yes, a separate continent for noobs / non depositors is a good idea!

    Votes: 38 14.5%

  • No, I like living on the same continent as noobs / non depositors

    Votes: 194 74.0%

  • I don't mind either way

    Votes: 30 11.5%
  • Total voters
    262
I dont like the idea of segregation in any way whatsoever. My initial draw to PE was the game was free to play but I was more than ready to deposit an initial 50$ after a week (like a trial run to see if i liked it enough)to 1.supplement my enjoyment of the game 2.I would have paid more than that if it came in a box set. 1 year later i have put in 12k US and my net worth is worth over 13k (Recent inflation made me very happy indeed as I could walk away up rather than down).

Some people cannot deposit due to whatever IRL circumstance and thats fine in my opinion, I just feel that to withdraw from the economy, you must have put into it first. There would be rules applied to this to make it as fair as possible but there really isnt much argument against in my opinion, or one that ive heard, that has changed my mind on this. My simple reasoning is this: If you decide to play EU as a free game, without ever depositing, why suddenly change your view when it comes down to withdrawing. Also I have heard many non depositors saying that in their opinion the game isnt worth paying into and then fine, leave, go away and dont come back. Thats not the kind of player that is wanted in EU anyway.

Whatever has been said in this thread is purely thearetical anyway as the games foundations are built on the fact that you dont have to or need to deposit to play. And thats the way it will stay until the pyramid collapses.
 
EarlVonKippler said:
if there was a noob area, i;d make it one way. you join, you learn, you leave. no fee, no conditions, you leave when you are ready.
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I agree, There is another game that does a similiar thing if I recall correctly, though I do believe it gives you an option to skip. I also believe that once you go out you can't go back...
 
I do not agree with the idea of segregation of nondepositors. While I agree that only people who deposited should be allowed to withdraw, nondepositors generate value as well by generating markup and also by just being someone depositors can interact with.

On the other hand, I wholeheartedly support the idea of a "newbie continent" with (for example) 1000x increased skill growth and 10x increased loots. Newbie could just join, get some free starter gear and knock around for a limited amount of time (30 days maybe, people who would stay there forever = dead bandwidth) to experience all the good stuff Entropia has to offer. Once the trial period was over, he would advance into the "real" Entropia. I think this would greatly increase the incentive for an initial deposit.
 
As mentioned many times before ... this idea sucks

I see no point in locking out all the nondepositers or small depositers from the real game. Why should they deposit 1k to be able to play? I for sure would have never started to play and a lot of ppl doing small deposits is as good as a some with big wallet...

Also it is part of the fun in our little universe to interact with all kinds of ppl!!

gen i realy had respect for your work at your LA but the way you behave here is just inappropriate - if 1k$ is nothing for you ok then do whatever you like but there are other ppl too...

PS: according to your rule i would be able to use the whole world but whats the point???
 
gen said:
How can MA afford it? Hmm. I think it's because people DEPOSIT not because people are sweating.
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Oh, I am really sorry that you dont get your extra 1 pec in your loot....so sorry...:rolleyes:
 
Hmmmm...at the risk of feeding the troll......

I really don't understand wtf you are on about Gen.

Yet again it's a case of 'Only for the elite' :rolleyes: (a fictional group of players that you seem so eager to be considered part of). You've bought your way into a game that for most others means hours of dedication. You can afford to swallow chips, buy big weapons and other toys. But why do you think this is what everyone wants? After all, you don't appear to be too satisfied with what you've found.

Why should you care if non-depositors take out money that depositors put in? You're hardly minding the pennies yourself are you?

I remember when you started, you bought a hangar, and offered to take noobs to CP for a few ped. You started a society, you offered to take noobs on hunting trips (even though you'd been playing only a couple of weeks yourself). What happened to that guy? :confused:

You've made purchases that maybe weren't the most sensible (apartments, hangar, LA etc.), you've tossed money into a slot mahcine trying to get a crafting ATH. How about a continent just for stupid, boastful wannabees?

-rep for being such a prat

Oh, and please don't moan at others for bringing your LA into the argument, as you do pretty well to mention it at every given opportunity :laugh:

JC
P.s. No I have never been to your LA....I had intended to, but I'll make sure i avoid it for good.
 
Scourge said:
do these have a RCE?
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All commercial based mmorpgs are RCE if they take money from the public.

What's a Real Cash Economy?

An Economy which is run by "real" money. If you've never deposited why should you be allowed to be part of the Real Cash Economy part? Sweat and sell to people fine, provide services to people fine. Buy in-game items and hunt, profit fine. Withdraw back in the real world a definite no.

Time = Money (PED) for non depositors and this is where the money should stay.

For depositors Time is spent AND money is spent.
 
nvcK said:
I do not agree with the idea of segregation of nondepositors. While I agree that only people who deposited should be allowed to withdraw, nondepositors generate value as well by generating markup and also by just being someone depositors can interact with.

On the other hand, I wholeheartedly support the idea of a "newbie continent" with (for example) 1000x increased skill growth and 10x increased loots. Newbie could just join, get some free starter gear and knock around for a limited amount of time (30 days maybe, people who would stay there forever = dead bandwidth) to experience all the good stuff Entropia has to offer. Once the trial period was over, he would advance into the "real" Entropia. I think this would greatly increase the incentive for an initial deposit.
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A continent for new starters where you could choose to skip if wanted, leave at any time, and leave without keeping any item gained from the starter continent. Officially booted into EU at agility 20 or thereabouts. I suppose that would work without too much problems and it would greatly decrease the amount of players who join and leave within a week from reaching Calypso, if the skip newbie continent function was taken away and everyone was forced into playing noob continent for a time it would also decrease 2nd avataars being made. Food for thought.
 
nvcK said:
On the other hand, I wholeheartedly support the idea of a "newbie continent" with (for example) 1000x increased skill growth and 10x increased loots. Newbie could just join, get some free starter gear and knock around for a limited amount of time (30 days maybe, people who would stay there forever = dead bandwidth) to experience all the good stuff Entropia has to offer. Once the trial period was over, he would advance into the "real" Entropia. I think this would greatly increase the incentive for an initial deposit.
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Yes which would benefit MA and the depositor.
 
gen said:
Many far more ESTABLISHED mmorgs are run like this. One continent for the newbies / non depositors , one for the depositors who can choose to interchange between continents.
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And why you think I dont play there?

And from my personal point of view you get dangerously close to this:

For xenophobia there are two main objects of the phobia. The first is a population group present within a society, which is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries. This form of xenophobia can elicit or facilitate hostile and violent reactions, such as mass expulsion of immigrants, or in the worst case, genocide.
 
gen said:
All commercial based mmorpgs are RCE if they take money from the public..
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Well actually No there not, most are service providers

gen said:
What's a Real Cash Economy?.
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What I do find funny ,is as a depositor you don't know !
gen said:
An Economy which is run by "real" money. If you've never deposited why should you be allowed to be part of the Real Cash Economy part? Sweat and sell to people fine, provide services to people fine. Buy in-game items and hunt, profit fine. Withdraw back in the real world a definite no.

Time = Money (PED) for non depositors and this is where the money should stay.

For depositors Time is spent AND money is spent.
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No, put simply: $1 USD = 10 PED & 10 PED = $1 USD that what it a RCE.
 
Theren Strange said:
A continent for new starters where you could choose to skip if wanted, leave at any time, and leave without keeping any item gained from the starter continent. Officially booted into EU at agility 20 or thereabouts. I suppose that would work without too much problems and it would greatly decrease the amount of players who join and leave within a week from reaching Calypso.
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Yes. =)

I wouldnt take the "skip newb continent" function away, not that hard to wait 30 days after registering your alt but quite the annoyance if you are starting a first avi and already have RL friends in the real Entropia. However, the loot and experience multipliers would have to be explicitly stated so some people dont get surprised and start whining about a scam when they find out how hard breaking even is...
 
Rowdoc said:
Well actually No there not, most are service providers


What I do find funny ,is as a depositor you don't know !


No, put simply: $1 USD = 10 PED & 10 PED = $1 USD that what it a RCE.
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No, that's what people call an exchange rate.
 
Btw i dont quite get the people waving xenophobia and boycotts around. Discussion is good mmkay?
 
nvcK said:
Btw i dont quite get the people waving xenophobia and boycotts around. Discussion is good mmkay?
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Hehe and yes I'm well aware that my idea will "most probably" not be implemented but as you said discussion is good.
 
I am amazed that a few people actually voted pro this...
I mean, even if its another continent...isnt it the same game? Will not those newbies still sweat and sell their sweat?
What would happen if someone would even got an ATH there? Wouldnt you all go nuts?
I must be missing something here...:scratch2:
I mean: how would the game improve anyway?
EDIT: ok, the lag...but that would be implied only by the few number of people playing... you will have less lag for sure.......and a deserted game
 
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nvcK said:
Btw i dont quite get the people waving xenophobia and boycotts around. Discussion is good mmkay?
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This could mean lag created by loads of Noobs and Non depositors are restricted to one Continent (A small farm of servers) and won't affect the rest of community that pay-to-play.
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Yes all of them - including the well off traders / resellers who have made it big time but have not deposited.
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The first is a population group present within a society, which is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries.
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Compare and see why I bring it into the discusion.
 
BlackMagicWoman said:
I am amazed that a few people actually voted pro this...
I mean, even if its another continent...isnt it the same game? Will not those newbies still sweat and sell their sweat?
What would happen if someone would even got an ATH there? Wouldnt you all go nuts?
I must be missing something here...:scratch2:
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If the idea were to be implemented of course new rules for that continent would be applied. E.g whilst you are tasting what EU is like Loot from hunts, manufacturing, mining Etc. is limited to 50 PEDs and in addition if you are a non depositor you would not be allowed to withdraw funds from your account back into RL.

Yes, funny how there are people who are pro this idea isn't it? You should also be asking why there are those who don't mind the idea too. A total of 25% who don't mind or would like this implementation isn't a small percentage is it? :D
 
nvcK said:
Btw i dont quite get the people waving xenophobia and boycotts around. Discussion is good mmkay?
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Misguided animosity.

Democracy only works if there is an argument for and against but to neg rep someone whilst calling him names, well, come on people grow up. Agree or dissagree but do it intelligently.
 
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gen said:
Yes, funny how there are people who are pro this idea isn't it?
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No, its not funny.....its sad :(

Hmmmkay, I want to add something personally here:
I run a society of great people, we recruit newbies from time to time to help them learn about the game, etc. I have come to meet a lot of wonderful personalities in this game and guess what? They were noobs in the majority. Most "depositing" ubers around here have that abnoxious arrogant attitude that I dont appreciate much, so I would rather go for a newbie's company.
So, mr. Gen, if this would ever be done, I would rather move into the ghetto with them even if I would deposit milions of dollars. If this will ever happen, the game would suck for me in such a degree, that I would quit it in a blink!
 
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BlackMagicWoman said:
I am amazed that a few people actually voted pro this...
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Well BMW, the options in the poll don't accurately reflect the discussion being had. Many have said a continent for new players to find their feet on is a good idea, that it not the same as a continent for non-depositors.

It seems that the OP has shifted the focus of the debate from noobs to non-depositors, but the poll options still include both.

JC
 
BlackMagicWoman said:
No, its not funny.....its sad :(

Hmmmkay, I want to add something personally here:
I run a society of great people, we recruit newbies from time to time to help them learn about the game, etc. I have come to meet a lot of wonderful personalities in this game and guess what? They were noobs in the majority. Most "depositing" ubers around here have that abnoxious arrogant attitude that I dont appreciate much, so I would rather go for a newbie's company.
So, mr. Gen, if this would ever be done, I would rather move into the ghetto with them even if I would deposit milions of dollars. If this will ever happen, the game would suck for me in such a degree, that I would quit it in a blink!
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Like I said before if you were a depositor (in your example where you have deposited millions of dollars) you have the choice of whether to move between the noob / non depositing continent and that of the depositing continents.
 
Java JC said:
Well BMW, the options in the poll don't accurately reflect the discussion being had. Many have said a continent for new players to find their feet on is a good idea, that it not the same as a continent for non-depositors.

It seems that the OP has shifted the focus of the debate from noobs to non-depositors, but the poll options still include both.

JC
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I agree. The poll option of a seperate continent is 100% wrong and there must never be any form of discrimination against any player full stop. Segregation leads to discrimination. My opinion of course.

The discussion has evolved though into whether a noob continent would be a good or bad idea....not a segregated non depositor continent which the current poll implies. Maybe a new thread should be started reflecting this idea.

I whole heartedly dissagree with seperate continent for the paying and non paying players but a continent aimed at helping the nubs, giving them their first experiences and making the move onto calypso less of a minefield AND on top of that weeding the new players from the interested 24 hour tourist is worth a debate.
 
gen said:
Like I said before if you were a depositor (in your example where you have deposited millions of dollars) you have the choice of whether to move between the noob / non depositing continent and that of the depositing continents.
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I already knew that. But my soc mates wouldnt have that posibility and that just wouldnt seem normal to me...
 
Theren Strange said:
I agree. The poll option of a seperate continent is 100% wrong and there must never be any form of discrimination against any player full stop. Segregation leads to discrimination. My opinion of course.

The discussion has evolved though into whether a noob continent would be a good or bad idea....not a segregated non depositor continent which the current poll implies. Maybe a new thread should be started reflecting this idea.

I whole heartedly dissagree with seperate continent for the paying and non paying players but a continent aimed at helping the nubs, giving them their first experiences and making the move onto calypso less of a minefield AND on top of that weeding the new players from the interested 24 hour tourist is worth a debate.
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So let me get this right, you agree to separate the noobs from the non depositing community and depositing community to benefit the noobs but you disagree about separating the noob and non depositing community to benefit the depositing?

The noob / non depositing continent would be similar to continent of Eudoria / Amethera / CP / CND with the exception that loot is capped at 50 PEDs and no RL withdrawals are possible.
 
I dont believe in segregation full stop. I think that a startup continent like a demo almost, like some games have training levels, is a great idea as it would show the nubs (who are the future depositors right?) how to stand on their own 2 feet prior to entering calypso. I also think it would weed out the folk who are just here as tourists for 24hours before they decide to leave and play something else.

I also, as you well know, wish that everyone made some form of input into the economy or else not be able to take out. But I dont believe in segregating anyone from anywhere, like non depositors or not, its the foundations of the game and it IS marketed as a free to play game.

And im talking a few dollers, not hundreds and certainly not thousands.
 
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Just a reflection,

Most Online casinos has a starter bonus when you deposit and you can´t withdraw it unless you play for a certain amount...

Just a sidenote from me.
 
Theren Strange said:
I dont believe in segregation full stop. I think that a startup continent like a demo almost, like some games have training levels, is a great idea as it would show the nubs (who are the future depositors right?) how to stand on their own 2 feet prior to entering calypso. I also think it would weed out the folk who are just here as tourists for 24hours before they decide to leave and play something else.

I also, as you well know, wish that everyone made some form of input into the economy or else not be able to take out.

And im talking a few dollers, not hundreds and certainly not thousands.
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The 1000 USD I plucked out of thin air in order to create the response that has been seen in this thread.

Yes, I'd be happy if non depositors became depositors whereby a few dollars, whatever would result in them dare I say it, be classed as depositors!

I still think that the possible loot you can get is tied into how much you have deposited. For $1 you can buy a lottery ticket and win millions, for 0$ you can't buy a lottery ticket and the chance to win the said millions.

I've heard of casinos where you can play on tables for $1, $5, $10, $100, $1000 but I've never heard about one where you can put $0 on the table and win $100,000 back.

Yes, I'm well aware this is a game. Just an example.
 
gen said:
I still think that the possible loot you can get is tied into how much you have deposited. For $1 you can buy a lottery ticket and win millions, for 0$ you can't buy a lottery ticket and the chance to win the said millions.

I've heard of casinos where you can play on tables for $1, $5, $10, $100, $1000 but I've never heard about one where you can put $0 on the table and win $100,000 back.

Yes, I'm well aware this is a game. Just an example.
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I think you are viewing things in a very simplistic manner with these weak analogies.

No "non-depositing noob" has a chance to win $100,000 by sweating alone. They must bust their butts for hours and hours to acquire enough sweat to sell and buy a low level weapon and some ammo (or a low-end mining tool and bombs/probes), then get pretty lucky to become self-sustaining in order to give themselves a chance to have some "luck" down the road.

They have invested their valuable time in sweating to provide a service to other participants (the tedious and undesirable task of collecting sweat and/or fruit and dung). If they use the proceeds from that effort to take a chance on a small hunt or mining run, I say they deserve any loot or claim they find in that hunt just as much as someone who deposited.

This is Sweat Equity in action, and is one of the most brilliant and well-conceived aspects of EntropiaUniverse, in my humble opinion.

As others have pointed out, today's sweatmongers are tomorrow's depositors (or at least a portion of them). By changing this fundamental dynamic of EU, one risks also upending the foundation of the whole EU economy from bottom to top.

As many others in this thread have done, I strongly disagree with your proposal (and I highly doubt Mindark has plans to make such changes in any case).
 
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