FYI: Proteron Hunting Classroom - FREE For Everyone

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Inspired by the "Uberness" of this thread:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?234204-Is-it-fair-proteron-hunting

I decide to Open a Proteron Hunting Classroom for Everyone, no charge. Free for all except "stupid uber hunters, and you know who". To be qualified for this classroom, the requirement is:

  • 70 Agility at least, the higher the better.
  • Some little weapon, p5a+104 is alright :silly2:
  • A Naked Body.
  • TT Fap :yay:
  • Final but important, you are not any uber hunter :wise:.


Why is this not exploit?


Although some "ubers" (uber rich and ignorance) call it is exploiting, I would say not. The reasons are simple, let's check the requirements to perform the technique:
- Your bare hands.
- Standard keyboard, and we use "A,W,S,D,E,1,2,3,4,5", no more special keys.
- Standard mouse, right click and left click.
- No 3rd Party Program.
- No Vehicle in-game use.
- No help from second avatar.
- No help from obstacles in environment (hill, trees, river).
- A cup of tea or coffee.
- Finally, your brain. This is what ubers do not have :laugh:.

If you think all of the above requirements are exploiting, you should go back to playing Mario :eyecrazy:.

This technique can be applied to all mobs that your agility allows you to OUTRUN it.
When I have a decent amount of qualified registered participants. I will PM you the time and location. Any spy from ubers are welcome to frap me :yay:.
 
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teach me pls. i will be at big industries tp hunting ambu tyvm...:)
 
its also possible with SR47 or SR51, and its more eco than p5a :) ( atleast SR51 )
 
Pff. If anything people should thank me for revealing it to the masses for my 1k PEDs. If the strafing method is fine from MA perspective the guys hiding the method are the evil! You can thank me also for the existence of this thread.
P.S.
Add one thing to the list of things needed, no recognition of right vs. wrong, or morale.
 
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its also possible with SR47 or SR51, and its more eco than p5a :) ( atleast SR51 )

Yes, its actually better with sr51, less shots per min so u can run more and turn less :D
Pretty great gun gotta say as owner of one, 160m range n 2,95+ eco
 
P.S.
Add one thing to the list of things needed, no recognition of right vs. wrong, or morale.

where should we draw the line?

is it ok to use the range of a weapon to an advantage? , is it ok to use the high dps of a weapon as advantage?

its not like they are vtol hunting.
 
Betting on "moooooooaaaaan, why they neeeerfeeed proterooons oaaaaaa they movee so faaaast now" in a couple of months, from same.. cerebral person who todays call other stupid.
 
Pff. If anything people should thank me for revealing it to the masses for my 1k PEDs. If the strafing method is fine from MA perspective the guys hiding the method are the evil! You can thank me also for the existence of this thread.
P.S.
Add one thing to the list of things needed, no recognition of right vs. wrong, or morale.

The reason for me to quote this is to make sure that the post will not disappear in the future. I have no intention to reply to unworthy post.

What I can guarantee you that the technique I teach in classroom is an improved version of the normal strafing which some "smart" guy pay 1k peds to learn. You can share it later to your friends. However it is recommended not to share to some ignorant people.

If you like to learn just add me as a friend in game. I craft and afk mostly but I will contact you when I get back. Some people just too idiot to understand the common sense.

This technique is applied not to only Proteron but to any mob that you can outrun. So if Proteron is nerfed and a 80 agi guy cannot outrun it, the 100 agi guy still can. It is of course still unfair.
 
There are no rules that obliges the player to stand in front of mobs.

In the past, we were running like 4 or 5 times faster, and nobody was complaining,
so why look for a cheat now when there is nothing.

Just strategy imo.
 
I bet we will see "Damage is diminished while moving" message in few weeks lol.
 
I bet we will see "Damage is diminished while moving" message in few weeks lol.

This probably belongs to the MISS Features To Do List :)
(i've been thinking of it).

+ Add a new yellow message : You are not allowed to jump when using a weapon.
 
I have no intention to reply to unworthy post...stupid uber hunters, and you know who...Some people just too idiot to understand the common sense.
Of course you can't reply in any logical way except for calling me an idiot :) Your post appeared only because of my post. Enjoy your 2 minutes of glory which I paid for. Very unlikely this method would have gone public if it weren't for me.
normal strafing which some "smart" guy pay 1k peds to learn
Please don't lie, never paid 1k peds to learn "strafing". I paid 1k peds to find out how one particular guy was killing mobs he could not kill direct contact and hiding killing them. My idea was vtol hunting or using server borders to not get hit. I was most likely wrong so apologized for the accusations and paid my dues.
 
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Common sense.
  • If the intention was for strafing&jumping to work for running away from mobs and continue shooting, why was the walking backwards ever made slower?
  • If vtols were ok to use, why did MJ get a tempban for using them?
I think the problems exist because of the 2 environments, pvp and hunting. Add a feature to one, quite likely exploited in the other.
Range / dps are different because you have to pay to get them.
Also, did not get a chance to reply to Nighthawk on the other thread. I think MF is a legit way to use to run quicker etc avoiding mobs. Exactly because you pay&skill to get the effects.
where should we draw the line?

is it ok to use the range of a weapon to an advantage? , is it ok to use the high dps of a weapon as advantage?

its not like they are vtol hunting.
 
Of course you can't reply in any logical way except for calling me an idiot :) Your post appeared only because of my post. Enjoy your 2 minutes of glory which I paid for. Very unlikely this method would have gone public if it weren't for me.

Please don't lie, never paid 1k peds to learn "strafing". I paid 1k peds to find out how one particular guy was killing mobs he could not kill direct contact and hiding killing them. My idea was vtol hunting or using server borders to not get hit. I was most likely wrong so apologized for the accusations and paid my dues.

All the logical arguments were already posted in the opening thread.

You paid 1k not to learn the technique but to learn that there is a way to hunt slow moving mob like Proteron. Omg, it is even worse. Now everyone can see that my classroom is more valuable. One guy paid 1k only to know the existence of the technique, so how much value the technique itself is? Add me as friend in-game ASAP. :smoke:
 
Well, now what's gonna happen?

MA surely is getting all kinds of complaints about this. And I am positive that they do not approve of this technique since it implies less revenue for them. But at the same time, if they change game mechanics once again, there will be most likely a player outrage.

Since now everyone will go out and hunt proterons, using this technique... Mindarks solution most likely will (and should) be a loot nerf on those. And loot nerf doesn't automatically imply less loot for everyone. It could also imply giving less loot in general, and move it towards big hofs.

If I worked at MA, that's what I would do.
 
All the logical arguments were already posted in the opening thread.
And that's why you created this 2 minutes of your glory thread? Way to go!
You paid 1k not to learn the technique but to learn that there is a way to hunt slow moving mob like Proteron.
Wont go as low as you and call you names, guess you are just slow. Will repeat it one more time just for your super smart brain to catch up. Paid the peds because I thought one guy was using vtol or server borders, or something along those lines and instead found out it was most likely something else.

Apologized for it, paid the peds though my criteria was "show how its done in a fair way" and fair being questionable, Paladin not doing the kill himself as requested, and no video posted on forum as requested so could have dodged paying quite easily. Still I didn't which kinda defines the difference between me and the opposing folks. I don't consider it right to dodge hits in a questionable way.
 
Can you please move your @.. out of here please? I do not want to raise any Personal Conflict with anyone because 711 or Mods can have the reasons to lock this wonderful classroom. You are just flaming. You can create your own thread to criticise but not here. I know that the majority of people here support me not some rich @...

This technique is not only used for Proteron but for any mob that you can outrun. So as long as there is a mob that you can outrun, you can apply this. You can also appy it in other mob to make your hunt more interesting.
 
And that's why you created this 2 minutes of your glory thread? Way to go!

Wont go as low as you and call you names, guess you are just slow. Will repeat it one more time just for your super smart brain to catch up. Paid the peds because I thought one guy was using vtol or server borders, or something along those lines and instead found out it was most likely something else.

Apologized for it, paid the peds though my criteria was "show how its done in a fair way" and fair being questionable, Paladin not doing the kill himself as requested, and no video posted on forum as requested so could have dodged paying quite easily. Still I didn't which kinda defines the difference between me and the opposing folks. I don't consider it right to dodge hits in a questionable way.

So will Nlnforever post a youtube here? Then it's certainly going to get "corrected" in a way that it hinders all other "normal" hunters.
Maybe 711 should close this thread too and we hope Mindark didn't see it
 
All the logical arguments were already posted in the opening thread.

You paid 1k not to learn the technique but to learn that there is a way to hunt slow moving mob like Proteron. Omg, it is even worse. Now everyone can see that my classroom is more valuable. One guy paid 1k only to know the existence of the technique, so how much value the technique itself is? Add me as friend in-game ASAP. :smoke:

Dude calm down a bit,theres no reason to be cocky,Smilgs has explaind and say his sorry for his misstake.

But i think you both have a point here,but Smilgs point feels more in right direction imo.

//WL
 
This exploit is really the same thing as the VTOL exploit and I don't see why the same people that showed so much hate when Mary Jane did the vtol exploit does not show it now. This is using a game function in a way it's not intended and is of that reason to be considered as an exploit just as much as the VTOL exploit.

"Your inquiry has been registered as Support Case ID"
 
This exploit is really the same thing as the VTOL exploit and I don't see why the same people that showed so much hate when Mary Jane did the vtol exploit does not show it now. This is using a game function in a way it's not intended and is of that reason to be considered as an exploit just as much as the VTOL exploit.

"Your inquiry has been registered as Support Case ID"

You will achieve nothing, I have asked support many months ago if runing from the mob shoting it is exploit, and they said no, and even if you manage to change that somehow by your rage, so whats next, your going to cry ping-pong is exploit also cus you evade being hit ? come on turn your brains on and done be such a ...
 
this mob is so slow a lot of times it can be killed without it reaching the hunter. So nobody should care if a bunch of noobs can kill it with no decay. and if you are an uber you should want to hunt a uber mob next to a bunch of noobs:tongue2:

This is a video of star hunting a huge mob ingame with no armor a fap helper with a 1 pec 160 heal. and you people cry about a noob standing in front of a mob give me a break! [video]http://stargazingeu.weebly.com/quartermasters.html[/video]
 
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How long does it take to kill a mob like this compare to decent armour/fap?

I guess when we get 2 people shooting the same mob we'll find out ;)
 
You can create your own thread to criticise but not here. I know that the majority of people here support me not some rich @...
Man, get some sense of decency or just grow up. You call me an idiot at least 3 times in the opening page, lie about the reasons to create the other thread and give out the money. And then my answers to the thread containing no calling names in the way you do are "flaming".
"some rich @..." - if any moderator arrives, please could you review these statements. I am certainly not rich, just more ready to invest in this game.
 
You will achieve nothing, I have asked support many months ago if runing from the mob shoting it is exploit, and they said no, and even if you manage to change that somehow by your rage, so whats next, your going to cry ping-pong is exploit also cus you evade being hit ? come on turn your brains on and done be such a ...

Maybe by describing it more accurate and with many supports they will realize that if VTOL exploit is a reason for ban then this also is (they should fix it tho not ban ppl).

Rage? I could not care less. I can hunt these without the reaching me with a ML-35 easy peasy and so could girts. It's about right and wrong.

No I'm not going to cry about ping pong nor about other good tactics but this isn't a good tactic. This is pure exploiting of game mechanics using them in a way it's not intended.
 
How long does it take to kill a mob like this compare to decent armour/fap?

I guess when we get 2 people shooting the same mob we'll find out ;)
According to some of the Paladins hunt logs, around 2.5 minutes to kill an old. That's the reason why I am still doubtful for what he is using.
Proteron Old 193 2012-10-25 00:16:31
Proteron Mature 66 2012-10-25 00:14:01
 
IMO if you can strafe backwards as fast as you run forward, somthing is wrong, that shouldent be possible in any way.
So in my point of view this is taking advantage of a bug in game mechanics.
 
This is pure exploiting of game mechanics using them in a way it's not intended.

As official sources has obviously said the tactic is OK, then we must come to the conclusion that it is intended. Just like we must conclude that VTOL tactics (which is a completely different thing altogether) is not intended, or OK.

If moving away from the mob is to be considered an exploit, then all movement while hunting would be considered an exploit. Backing away from a Traeskeron would be considered an exploit since you can walk backwards faster than it moves forwards, etc.



IMO if you can strafe backwards as fast as you run forward, somthing is wrong, that shouldent be possible in any way.
So in my point of view this is taking advantage of a bug in game mechanics.

Strafe backwards? Strafing is moving to the side (which is as fast as running forwad), moving backwards is backwards and slower. There is no bug.
 
the person smilgs talk about do not strafe backwards.. iv seen him in act and did make a supportcase to MA about it.


He make himself lagg so much and tp around the feald, its even hard to record it for his "lagg tping"


Edit: Might not be the same person after some research!
 
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All the reasons why this is not an exploit explained in the opening thread. This is too much different from using VTOL.

Again, I request that Gritsn stop posting in this thread. I do not welcome you.
@... can be interpreted as anything that you like. Only dirty mind sees dirty words through it. Again, please stay away from my thread.

I am happy to teach almost everyone except ignorant people.
 
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