Pricecheck: Omegaton Ranger Scope MK I/MK II & Omegaton Laser Sight MK I/MKII

I have already mentioned the following:
This is true for you, because your MM T10 consumed as much enhancers, that you do not have time to buy them, lol. For other weapons (especially for me with ML-35) enhancers are consumed much less often, so their savings with this scope is not relevant. I'm doing my hunting differently. I do not use a FAP and armor, and only work with clear dps of weapon, and for maximal range as possible. Thus dps of weapon is more important to me than the enhancers price. These 10% for critical hits cannot change eco for me, just a little change the range in which I kill the mob (and leads to little increasing of possible mob HP). All savings I do - is in missed decay of FAP and armor. And if you think that these savings is worth nothing - you're wrong. It's just a different style of hunting. Yeah, my hunt is not so eco as yours (my additional losses are about 10%), as you have noticed, but full absence of all other losses compensate me these eco-losses.

And think about this. A year later, we will see 100 additional sights in the game. How much will they cost? 15K? Do not live now - think about the future.

And think about this, I will leave this to your trolling......I gave you a reasonable explanation. The buff isnt your biggest issue when shooting a nonsib UL weapon :)))
 
And think about this, I will leave this to your trolling......I gave you a reasonable explanation. The buff isnt your biggest issue when shooting a nonsib UL weapon :)))

I can assure you: it is not a trolling, and calculator is my best friend. I'm usually in profit with my non-SIB ... by TT value. :rolleyes:
 
I can assure you: it is not a trolling, and calculator is my best friend. I'm usually in profit with my non-SIB ... by TT value. :rolleyes:

ofc and then you go and profit even more with level 13 amps ...we all profit in this game, dont we?
 
ofc and then you go and profit even more with level 13 amps ...we all profit in this game, dont we?

If you see people who do not fit into the general scheme, you usually think, that they are idiots.
But often, these people are much smarter than you.

Profit from the 13 lvl amplifier is possible, but I not tell you how and where.
 
Lol whats this drama about?

Those sight/scope are meant for grinders only. If you don't hunt much, then it is not for you. As simple as that!


Get over it!
 
In addition, I do not participate in mayhem events, my job is easier - to take as much as possible loot to myself at events such as Shared Loot from maximum range distance (without any additional decay). This works. Also this works for several mobs like Proterons.

You also can calculate how often this sight is needed in this case (Shared Loot)? And whether or not to pay for it 15,000 on the condition that the boosters are just 5 ped for half hour duration?

And with the magic crapnel in the loot that price (15k) is really funny
15,000 ped for scope
5 ped for half hour booster

5 ped per booster... 4 hours hunting per day... 1 year = 15K ped, same price as scope!

15K for 1 year, or 15K forever? hmmm tough call! :scratch2:
Do not live now - think about the future.
I hope I made math easier! :thumbup:

by the way, only hunting at distance and not taking hits will severely limit your advancement! There's a lot of HP giving combat skills you'll miss out on (and Evade), which will slow your progression a lot! Healing too (and the Anatomy that comes with it)!... although, if you will never get hit anyway, and your only concern is loot, and you are content with staying at your level and progressing very slow... "whatever floats your boat" :silly2:

people who shoot mobs that are going to reach them eventually are going to get something out of using the scope... those are the people that will advance on to bigger mobs faster than you, and have a better shot at larger loots than you... if the scope is useless to you only due to your preferred style of hunting, it doesn't mean it's useless to those who will use it properly and gain an advantage by doing so! Maybe you shouldn't be trying to put a low price tag on an item that is irrelevant to your style of play simply because you have no personal interest in it?
 
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15K for 1 year, or 15K forever? hmmm tough call! :scratch2:

There are different buffs, just compare it. Boosters are much better! (like Sight Mk.I + Scope MK.I) And I do not plan to live 'forever'

by the way, only hunting at distance and not taking hits will severely limit your advancement! There's a lot of HP giving combat skills you'll miss out on (and Evade), which will slow your progression a lot! Healing too (and the Anatomy that comes with it)!... although, if you will never get hit anyway, and your only concern is loot, and you are content with staying at your level and progressing very slow... "whatever floats your boat" :silly2:

Hunting style, which I use now, implies an increase in all combat professions I need (Anatomy grows too), except for defensive and paramedic skills. They simply become unnecessary.
An elementary calculation shows that the decay of armor (with plates) during 1 hour hardcore Proteron hunting is at least 10-20 ped (yes, it is different for everyone and depends on the level of Evader), but I think not less than 10.
This means that if you always avoid these losses, you can do thus:
1. Do savings on purchase armor. You can buy one set of armor Trooper Shock and use it for several years.
2. Do savings on purchase FAP. I'm using I / 0 Pulse Unit (usually not needed, only rare when I doing a mistakes) and quite pleased with it. Also I have Gyro Combat FAP-30 (L) for fast healing (when close to me was spawned a ninja mob)
3. Do savings on purchase of limited weapons. I do not pay MU and therefore 10% of the losses that I have due to the inability to use all damage from UL SIB, are paid off by the missing MU.
4. Reasonable style of hunting that does not mean hardcore grinding and choosing mobs compatible with this style.
5. When I need more dps, I can always call my friends, and we together can deal about 300-600 dps, for fun and bigger loot (Events like Weekend Mayhem).
All this allows me to confidently move forward in the development, having fun and spend money only on ammo, boosters (for TT value) and enhancers, mostly manufactured by myself.
Is this bad?

Lol whats this drama about?

Those sight/scope are meant for grinders only. If you don't hunt much, then it is not for you. As simple as that!

Get over it!

Drama only in that not all people agree with different opinion, and consider it as trolling.

I said 'thank you for answering' two pages back, until in thread came trolls Piotr and das (and then others), and they together have started to write nonsense, mixed with the pathos of their existence.
Once again, thank you all for your answers, useful and not useful.
So, gl and have a nice day :)
 
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Hmm...

1% extra crit chance would mean about 50 extra crits per night for me. That would be about 5000 damage or so at the very least, meaning a saving of 17 PED per day at current state. Scope would pay itself in less than three years (even though it would get more and more useful during that time).

I think I'm going for one. Slapping it on my current weapon with some accuracy enhancers and an earth shock set would rock. Can't see any more Eco solution at my level.

Was it agreed that the MkI goes for roughly 15k?
 
Sceptic,
Last conversation in thread was about Sight MK.I (+10% critical damage, not for 1% chance), and about asked price in 15K for it. For chance I would agree to pay much more, if I need it :)

Also, you can buy your 17 PED savings by using Neurostim-X (10 PED/hour). ;)
 
Sceptic,
Last conversation in thread was about Sight MK.I (+10% critical damage, not for 1% chance), and about asked price in 15K for it. For chance I would agree to pay much more, if I need it :)

Also, you can buy your 17 PED savings by using Neurostim-X (10 PED/hour). ;)

Aah, I moxed the scopes up

Edit: apparently I did more mixing up. Ignore me.
 
Iam an owner of Both mk2 scope and mk2 sight.
Used to own a mk1 and claimed it would only leave my avatar when selling out or upgrading too mk2.

Ofc there is a big risk buying these items for massive ammounts of peds (same goes with anything else ingame)
But from my point of view and yours ive made then investment already so for every hour i spend with the items it gets cheaper from the orginal purchase price.

My gear atm is M83 T7 with Overcharged a204.
It packs an avarage dmg on 182 per shot.
Hunting massive mobs with an fapper my max ammount of shots per hour is 2220.
My crit % over 100ks of shots are 4% (bit higher 4.1 but could be deviance in volume)

But when calculation avarage dmg the orignal 2% crits are already taken into account.
So the free dmg from the scope alone is
0.02x2220=~44.5
44.5 x 182 = 8080 dmg
My setup has 2.962 DPP so its 8080/2.962=2728 pec
Ofc the enhancers arent for free and those shots would set me back.
0.8 (enh) TT x 7(slots used) x 2.5 (MU at buying at big bulk) = 14 Ped on avarage per 2k shots
14 x 1.11 =15.5 ped.
And the scope and laser does also decay and are around 3 ped for this ammount shots.
Totals the cost of enhancers and scope too 18.5 ped per hour.

Alone i wouldnt give much for the lasers since the ES is an cheap and great armor but in combination with and MK2 the parameters change.

All the crits are taken into account.
20% added ontop of 182 is 36.4 dmg stronger crits.
89 x 36.4 =3240 dmg
3240/2.962= 1093 pec.

There is that black on white.
When using the mk2scope and mk2laser i does not only get my enhancers payed but even get payed per hour doing so.
18.5 ped cost and 38.21 free damage.

Other examples.
M83 unenhanced with overcharged 204.
114.5 avgdmg x 44.5 = 5093 DMG
22.89375 20% more dmg per crits x 89 = 2037 DMG
Total DMG at 7130/2.962=2407 pec.
Tho this time its only 3 ped cost at the items and resulting in a saving per hour on 21 ped.

But your boosters arent as efficent.
114.5 avgdmg x 22,25(its only 1% more crits) = 2547 DMG
12% added gives 13.74 dmg per crit.
13.74 x 66.75 = 917 dmg
3464 dmg Added / 2.962 = 1169 pec.
And for this you pay 10 ped, resulting in a saving in 1.7 ped per hour while the 1% scope and 10% laser that you claim is equal would save you about 7 ped instead.

And if you want the Cadilac of free dmg its mk2 scope and full es armor on a mob like those cyrene crabs.
Basicly the same stats ive listed just mutlipy the laserdmg outout by 3
Enhanced minus the costs = 43.3 ped Free dmg per hour
Unenhanced minus cost of scope only(approx 1,2 ped yes laser got higher decay) =32 ped free dmg per hour.

Correction
It has come to my attention that enhancers are not breaking at 1k uses but at 2k since the MA tweak.

So ive corrected the numbers in the post.
 
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carle,
thank you very much for your explanations and calculations!
+rep
 
carle,
thank you very much for your explanations and calculations!
+rep

Conclusion
If you have to pick one go with the scope even if it cost more its gonna payback it self faster and you can combine it with Earthshock.
Laser on its own is not that cool but using them combined gives the 1+1=3 effect.
 
Conclusion
If you have to pick one go with the scope even if it cost more its gonna payback it self faster and you can combine it with Earthshock.
Laser on its own is not that cool but using them combined gives the 1+1=3 effect.

Yes, I understand you perfectly, but as part of my way of hunting, and the amount of time spent at it, I think at the price of sight in the 15k, it not needed for me.
 
Well, not everything can be perfect for everyone.
 
Who cares, I'm here since '06
All you do is talk down mu's.. & that's a fact, not trolling

and who cares about your 06 (since you want to diminish others with some ridiculous time of how long you been here), I been here off and on since 03, and you sir, are trolling and that's a fact.

For the record, yes I am trolling the Troll's comments. That also, is a fact (and at least I fess up to it Das). He just has a rich history of trolling and I'm not a fan :)
 
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There are different buffs, just compare it. Boosters are much better! (like Sight Mk.I + Scope MK.I) And I do not plan to live 'forever'

so you don't plan to live 'forever'... do you plan to play for more than 1 or 2 more years?

do you plan to buy 15K or more worth of Boosters? (that is, while they're available)

your Booster vs. Scope/Laser logic is a joke, sorry! I doubt anyone would side with you on that! :ahh:

You can use the scopes/lasers for years and they will pay themselves off in savings, then you can sell them! Even if you take a 80% loss on what you originally paid for them, it's still more profitable than using Boosters for an equal amount of time for equal effect, and you can not even sell the used/unused Boosters!

The Boosters are basically for special occasions, The Scopes/Lasers are for always and forever! :wise:
 
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If I ever get lucky ingame, the first thing I'd try to buy is a mk2 scope; I'd have no qualms paying 50-60k for one. As with the imk2, it only makes sense if you hunt alot.
 
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so you don't plan to live 'forever'... do you plan to play for more than 1 or 2 more years?

Of course, but ingame I have other activities.

do you plan to buy 15K or more worth of Boosters? (that is, while they're available)

No, never. I simply cannot consume these boosters in 2-3 years with my hunting plan.

your Booster vs. Scope/Laser logic is a joke, sorry! I doubt anyone would side with you on that! :ahh:
You can use the scopes/lasers for years and they will pay themselves off in savings, then you can sell them! Even if you take a 80% loss on what you originally paid for them, it's still more profitable than using Boosters for an equal amount of time for equal effect, and you can not even sell the used/unused Boosters!
The Boosters are basically for special occasions, The Scopes/Lasers are for always and forever! :wise:

Well, how do you like this approach: I spend 200 ped to hunt and go out because of bad loot (I do a mining or crafting jobs instead). Tomorrow I will spend 300 ped to hunt and return about 500. I do not spend the tens of thousands per month on the hunt, so I have no need in sight. I have goals easier. So - for me only boosters, like today on Sand King, to acquire ~34 PED of combat tokens :rolleyes:
 
Well, how do you like this approach: I spend 200 ped to hunt and go out because of bad loot...

These Scopes/Lasers are not for you! :thumbup:

you can not give a proper pricecheck on them based on your style... you can say what they might be worth to you, which is nothing really... but that is not an accurate way to assess their value!

I do not mine, and I know virtually nothing of mining strategy or mining equipment value... so it would be like me trying to place a pricetag on a UL lvl 7 amp! I can't just say "it's not worth much, cuz I don't mine!"... you see? :yup:

In my opinion, in the presence of these boosters, the price of sight should be around 3-5К. Where I'm wrong?

you are wrong in assuming people in the market for these Scopes/Lasers spend 200 ped ammo as 1 run, and in comparing the 1-time use Boosters with half hour duration to an infinitely reusable item that can be resold!
 
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These Scopes/Lasers are not for you! :thumbup:

you can not give a proper pricecheck on them based on your style... you can say what they might be worth to you, which is nothing really... but that is not an accurate way to assess their value!

I do not mine, and I know virtually nothing of mining strategy or mining equipment value... so it would be like me trying to place a pricetag on a UL lvl 7 amp! I can't just say "it's not worth much, cuz I don't mine!"... you see? :yup:
you are wrong in assuming people in the market for these Scopes/Lasers spend 200 ped ammo as 1 run, and in comparing the 1-time use Boosters with half hour duration to an infinitely reusable item that can be resold!

Anything that does not pay off in 2-3 years does not make sense to acquire, especially when exist the risk of impairment items several times. That is my strategy, and I think it can work for everyone. But I have in my inventory Improved Excavator, when I doing a big mining jobs, I used it for considerable economy.

With respect to the price of 7 UL amplifier, since you want to hear it, you get:
Now the MU on Level 7 amplifier is 5.83%
TT is 120 PED.
This means that the miner pays for each L amplifier extra 7 PED. One amplifier allows you to make 13 triple drops on the planet Arkadia, and thus can be decayed in ~3 minutes. If we assume the minig session in 4 hours a day (lets 1 hour of 4 we digging what we found), it turns out that we spent 60 amps in 3 hours, and it will be 7 x 60 = 420 ped of paid MU per day. Thus, if we count MU for one year, with UL 7 amp will be saved 153,000 per year. So MU in 200,000 PED will be returned by a little more than in a year. But bear in mind that you must do a turnover ~ 10000-12000 PED in a day (depending on your finder), and then be able to sell all found ores/enmatters/treasures. If you make less turnover - return will spread over years or even decades.
You can return these MU's only with giant turnovers. This will be not a game, but work or business, which means that it can not be seen from the perspective of the average player. You cannot expect, that average player will buy these UL amps. The same with the sights.
99% of players do not need it (or need cheap). But whether wants to buy the one who needs it - a good question. This player is also can count their money and think about risks of purchase.

Edit: You are also average player and cannot return back this 15K, paid for sight.

Edit 2: And more. Those players in the game, which to hunt with giant amounts of money, are not so much. This means that when 20-30 people buy these sights, they will need only to those who are willing to pay less. So the following prizes will be sold cheaper, next one more cheaper, and how much more of them will be in the game, they will cost cheaper and cheaper, and cheaper. And the final price may be not 80% of the initial value, but 10 or 20.

Edit 3: Simply, many players are trying to equalize MU of the item by the upper possible value, without taking into account important things as deflating prices and the ability to recoup the costs in reasonable period. And you, without being able to recoup the costs of this sight, but protect the high prices. Do you know why? Because when you get something like this, you too will be able to sell it expensive, based on previous experience and correlation with this sight price.

With this whole wall of text I have not tried to devalue this sight, I just smash any arguments about the need to purchase it.
 
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Edit: You are also average player and cannot return back this 15K, paid for sight.
don't know how you are judging my ability to cycle peds/ammo, but that's not accurate...

when I'm not buying/upgrading equipment I am able to shoot 4 hours or more a day at over 100DPS...

I could use a scope/sight for a year and sell it, so yeah, even at a loss of what I originally paid, I'd still make "profit in savings" vs. what I paid for it once I sold it!... I plan to eventually buy mk.I scope & sight, but I have other priorities before that happens, and once I have them I will not be selling them unless to upgrade them to mk.II, because I understand their value and they fit my style of play (feel free to view my tracker page and see "Favorite Mobs" section)
 
Anything that does not pay off in 2-3 years does not make sense to acquire, especially when exist the risk of impairment items several times. That is my strategy, and I think it can work for everyone. But I have in my inventory Improved Excavator, when I doing a big mining jobs, I used it for considerable economy.

You should read (or re-read) this thread. Depending on how much you hunt, the scopes can pay for themselves in a matter of months.

The 1% scope is very good, and the 20% damage laser becomes better the more critical chance you build (via scope, nanobot and/or accuracy enhancers). The 2% scope is godly, more so to a true grinder. The 10% crit damage laser is pretty worthless in terms of eco boost (its actually a loss in almost all scenarios) due to having the same decay as its 20% counterpart, and our avatars having a very low baseline critical hit chance.

I'd be extremely surprised to see many more 2% scopes released in the future, given the enormous advantage in savings. This has already been demonstrated to an extent by the reduced number given out as prizes during 2014 Mayhem.
 
Yes, I understand you perfectly, but as part of my way of hunting, and the amount of time spent at it, I think at the price of sight in the 15k, it not needed for me.

Wait..and then why did you start this thread up again?:eyecrazy:
 
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