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Met Stryker once, he seemed like a nice fellow..
Havent exchanged much with Warrants, but I'll link a post to my diary as to what I believe Respect is...

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=463304&postcount=7

There is a difference between whats Ethically correct and or whats Politically correct... alot of things are not "fair" in Eu.. unfortunatly, its the way you deal and handle it in the end that makes the difference I guess...

I don't automatically respect people because they are "uber" Respect is Earned... anyone can get to a top society with a Fat Pedcard (and some time) Imo..

I wish both parties Good luck in resolving their differences, Good Luck guys.. :)
Also, i'd like to add... that everything you do, say or act upon will ultimatly lead to the reputation of a whole as a society, even if you dont necessarily share the same views, thats kinda the point of being in a society.. because you share the same views and ideology.. as a Whole. My thoughts...
 
There is no such thing as a police or a court you can goto to file complaints.

But ppl especially those with with LA's (And CND in the case of Warrants) should keep their reputation high if they still want other to hunt on their lands and earn tax%...

If only 1 person doenst' hunt on their LA's it won't make a difference, but if you destroy your own rep and a couple of 100 ppl don't wan't to hunt anymore on your LA then it will reflect in lower income.

If ND's or Neomaven's reputation is going down because his name is attached to a certain soc., pll of that soc. should really get a talk with eachother. :wise:

Entropians should look up to the skills and rep. of a high lever soc. and take it as example to grow themselves. Not look down to it. And that is only the soc. itself that can make that happen!
 
I'll only want say what i believe and always believed :wise:

There are always noobs , but there are only few classes ...

1) The uber noobs , have skills ,experience , expencive equipment and armor but there is not enough respect for the rest of players who want to have fun. They have no manners...

Money can buy skills , but the person behind the avi acting like that , is only a child.


2) The fresh Noobs. No skills or great equip ,but they can go around, bring you 10 mobs to kill without asking if you can or want to. Yes they have fun. But that reduce my EU experience. They have no manners...


The rest of ppl , who respect the right of all the others to have FUN , are Ubers to me.

What's FUN you say? ... Fun is to get killed 100 times and return to conclude your main target : killing and Uber Mob.

Fun is do whatever i want BUT without reducing the fun of the rest. KSing is just low and pathetic. 20%/51%/90% ... dosen't matter. Not because you have the right you must use it. "You have the right to remain silent..." :laugh:

Epiloge: Being noob has nothing to do with skills ... but the way you act and the respect you show to everyone elses rights to have fun and enjoy EU.

PS- I don't aim against any SOC, any person in this forum or ingame. I just think was the moment to tell how i see all these.

-rep or +rep me ... but before you do this just think how would be if you could have fun without making the ppls around get angry and mad at you ;)
 
Hi all,

I think there's enough bashing of Warants here, they have not been alone in this issue during this Eomon event so perhaps we should look at the bigger issue? Like I said earlier, times in EU have been severely frustrating and I think taking small incidences like this as a whole with which to formulate a society marring opinion is not on. But that's my opinion.

I created a poll here for people to vote on at their convenience.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40729

Interested to know people's thoughts on how they would prefer EU to run in this respect.
 
la aurora said:
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But Styker admitted it happened few posts above and his only reason for that was that they had right to do because they are uber.
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Where do you get that ?
Read again :
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Wonderful post. At the time of the accused "KS" there were no spawns; People who hunted them for 10+ hours like us know about these breaks in the action. So we looked around and saw what you claimed was your Eomon.

He still had over 50% of his GREEN part of the hp bar, and yeah we saw 1 or 2 ppl shooting at him; people had been doing this all day, going up to them with opalos, crushos, etc as we hunted them.

60% dead? If you had him 60% dead you would have gotten the loot, as the person/team who does more damage on X mob gets the loot, so you set yourself up for a lie from your initial post.

After we killed him and I guess most of your team had tp'd back, we were harrassed for a good 10 minutes, at which point we did say we would give you the 20 ped loot if you paid the 100 ped ammo.

Maybe you would have preferred us tagging and dragging a shitload of mobs into your hunting party, as was done to us throughout the day?
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What he say is that they saw a mobs with som life less , but go to kill it because they so people all the day long hiting those big mobs for fun without having 1 change to kill them.

I never think i was KSing when back in the time i was killing an AOA at rig that a "noob" just hitted som time with a jetter.
It was more a "all against bad mobs".
Its was same when the robot was atacking town.
And it seems , its was same at this eomon things.
you have your self and other people too , say , its nice to participate to the event for the fun.Healing peeps and hiting even with crap weapon the big mobs.

Here the deal is warants , people that got KS and Ks ped of stuff , and hunted eomon on days long and so lost Ks and Ks ped in amo , would have KS som "Noob" for eco som ped on amo ?

Do you realy bielieve such scenario was in their head ?

la aurora said:
It doesn't really matter what is right and wrong here. And you don't owe explanations to anyone here. But reputation exists in eyes of other people and right now the picture they see is quite ugly. If you want to save reputation, you should act. If you don't care what they think, then there's no need to write anything at all but then don't expect people will admire your soc in the future.
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Damm , i through what is right and what is wrong was the subject of the thread.Because it seems warants are condanate because they do something "wrong"...


Also , i have often heard something like " people say 10 time what is wrong and 1 time what is good" ...
I hear compliment about my soc mate very often , i read them on forum , and even after LG , soc like BAHQ make post to thanks warants for their very nice behavior in pvp and during the battle.
In the case of my soc , the feedback i guet is 100 good for 1 bad.

And i dont think i am someone that noone can never speak , or people do know me to be hypocrit or lie...I do think people know they can speak their mind.

The good part is , this thread will bring som discution about that in soc chat :)
 
Etopia said:
First of all , people should understand KS is total aprouved by MA , and people that KS are total in their right.
And even if i do agrea that KS is rude , its a part of the game.
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Just because something is technically possible, it doesn't mean that it's explicitly allowed (think spider trapping, which some people from certain socs
complained loudly about). Another thing some people frawn on is when an uber do KS, a big group of noobs blocks the "uber" and the uber starts to complain about "I'll report you to MA" (it didn't happen yesterday, but I've read threads about it here).

Let's say it takes 40 ped of ammo to kill a eomon. Team A pumps in 10 ped ammo, then team B, who has 4 times faster guns, starts to kill it, then team A has been efficiently stolen 10 ped by team B.

I hope people will deal with the KS problemacy in a civilized manner. If MA is to fix this, it can be with a solution where an aggroed mob is not killable at all except the "owner"; and then you might end up with a powerful mob going berzerk unkillable because the original shooter went out of ammo or something. Or that the original hunter decides to use the mob protect system for his own fun - to aggro a lot of mobs in an area and make them unkillable just to be as rude as possible. (According to some wiki, in some game an aggord mob can't be hurt by someone else unless the owner explicitly requests help. I *hope*, knowing the QA of MA, that this solution doesn't have to be implemented.).

Whieo the time I was there, and like 10 minutes after I heard complaints from other people about a certain soc doing KS, the eomons literally dropped on my head. It was like 10 eomons within 200m radius; no need to be greedy.
 
18720 is the health of eomon stalker, so 9.5k needed to claim the kil +10% recovery so around 10.4k/8 thats only 1.3k per person for your team hunt, since u guys had it first, thats only 260 shots with opalo plus a104, even if warrants did do 4 more dmg then u, you both had equal chanc of killing it from the start, but u started earlier which makes up for you guys dying so basically what im saying is that every time u guys did ur dmg, the warrants had to do 5 or more times more, to ks it, now that takes alot of skill

thats just all assumptions, prob far from being real, but in my opinion u guys had equal chance to kill it,

but ks'ing is usually wrong, but not when it comes to ATH thats what everyone thought woul dhappen this event.
 
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I haven't posted anything on this thread...although I do think that it's rude to KS. Personally I haven't had much contact with many ubers cept for a few (not from this soc) and they were decent and others I could have done w/o since they pk'ed me when I was trying to go for a hunt...but that's ok. :D But I'm keeping my opinion reserved on this matter, since I wasn't present. I would be more willing to write more if someone would have taken a screen of the said incident.

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oh,, another 1,, facts,, lol bu%%&#%t, a bystander like me can see she/he is only talking c#¤p
 
Your right,, im so sorry,, take it all back, ,maybe a little rough,

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np
 
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Richard Devil said:
18720 is the health of eomon stalker, so 9.5k needed to claim the kil +10% recovery so around 10.4k/8 thats only 1.3k per person for your team hunt, since u guys had it first, thats only 260 shots with opalo plus a104, even if warrants did do 4 more dmg then u, you both had equal chanc of killing it from the start, but u started earlier which makes up for you guys dying so basically what im saying is that every time u guys did ur dmg, the warrants had to do 5 or more times more, to ks it, now that takes alot of skill

thats just all assumptions, prob far from being real, but in my opinion u guys had equal chance to kill it,

but ks'ing is usually wrong, but not when it comes to ATH thats what everyone thought woul dhappen this event.
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Well, Dub & McCormick terminator (if I remember right one of the guys had one) with Dante Amp=147 dmg, and DOA Foeripper=129 dmg/sec ( suppose at least one foeripper is availible to be borrowed from a socmate); compare with solomate opalo with A104=16.1 dmg/sec; more than 5 times firepower. My marber-bravo has theoretical dmg/sec of 21 (I've got like 2.7 HA with it). The Terminator is a "new" weapon having same efficience as opalo.
 
Etopia
I meant both of his posts. From the one you quoted most of us got to know:
They did see mob was being shooted at by other people
They did see those people were alive
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Stryker said:
Appears you are right, I must have imagined that. But really nice constructive counter post...

Im going to hunt now. I just wish Lady was with us, then she could say, "if you want to hunt bigger mobs, get better weapons!" :D
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If they didn't see it was taken, if 'noobs' that were shooting it were dead.. then it'd be at least understandable.

But since when one player can decide if another one deserves attempt to kill some mob or not? Those weren't orange noobs, they had fine mid weapons and they came up with some tactics. They spent money on that mob. But then brave Warrants arrive and decide they don't deserve a chance.

And then I'll see same people in another thread claiming that this event was for everyone and if people wanted to participate, they could form a team and let it a go..

As for 'right and wrong'. I was talking about your 'right and wrong' in particular. You are in the sportlight. You are in news. Noobs watch you in awe and you enjoy it.

But imagine a movie. Some director could be damn proud of what he did and think of one movie as the best one in ages. But if audience & critics say it's bad, it won't sell and get prizes whatever director thinks of this one hiself. This is what I meant. In case with reputaion, it's audience that decides. Not you.
 
sniff sniff,,,, is that a :locked: I smell?
 
steve69 said:
Your right,, im so sorry,, take it all back, ,maybe a little rough,

still,, read the whole thread and decide yourself with this new infomation, and btw,, search and read other cr%p she writes
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Well , GL with your other account name :rolleyes:
 
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Well thnx :)
I don't know what I have done to upset you - I have only stated what has happened in my experience during 4 or so years of playing the game. And yes I do still play the game - pretty much every day.

It's all a fuss about nothing as far as I am concerned but I hate the hypocrisy of people that come here and act whiter-than-white, essentially denying facts that I have seen with my own eyes.
 
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KSing is like farting in an elevator

No official rule against it... but it just down right nasty :D
 
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Ter said:
ok I have to leave for work now I still find it hard to believe that stryker and neo ran over and ks your mob deliberatly with you killing it, but until they wake up and I ask them I cant answer for them, my reason for replying to this thread in the first place was to defend myself and other soc members from being called greedy when we weren't even there... ;)

regards,

ter
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I must state from the start I was not present while these events played out but having read the thread and looked in on both viewpoints I am just gonna add my own contribution.

Sadly i'm not surprised that Neomaven was involved in something like this...just ask the folk who take part in the Champions League events... :( and no, this isn't whining just a valid point that many people made at the time, and in my opinion people are making an identical and valid observation here.

"Because you can" may be seen as a valid reason by some people.... I personally don't think that's the most pleasant way to go through life.
 
When my mob is KSed (which happened), then I try to accept it is as a man and thank the guys for giving me more stimule to improve my firepower to be faster than theirs.

And if the 40% of the mob was already killed - all you have to do is be faster with the last 10% than the Warants are with their 50%.
Cannot do it? - Not your mob than, or not your time to hunt.

I know it's a bit harsh but if we have weapon in our hands (even though its virtual) and dressed in armor - we better start thinking like warriors and accept the defeat with the grain of salt.
There is a war out there and we are all in it. Some win - some should lose.
EU is a highly competative environment and we know it. It gives us energy to grow, invest money and skill - that's what gives fun to the participants and to the EU as a whole.

I do not know Skalman personally but I think he fulfilled his words by showing the CKs that they could be beaten.

In turn, can we show Warrants that they could be beaten as well?
 
More i read , and more it seems its better to be a pure asshole than trying to be good.
When you are a pure asshole people dont bother you if one day you did something nice...
 
Franklon said:
KSing is like farting in an elevator

No official rule against it... but it just down right nasty :D
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:laugh: That is the best post in this entire thread :D
 
Etopia said:
More i read , and more it seems its better to be a pure asshole than trying to be good.
When you are a pure asshole people dont bother you if one day you did something nice...
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maybe better to just be who you are.
 
Read the whole thread!

I see both sides. Kerham's lot lost the money they spent on wounding it. I can't help imagine the time they would have had to take to kill the Eomon would have probably seen it wander off back to Warants or AoW anyway. Watching the Uber socs take them down was eye-watering; the sound of hundreds of peds being fired through the air for several minutes at a time.

Warants were on a kill-every-Eomon-we're-the-best-for-this-kinda-work power-trip.... it can't be often they're all called upon to take on something as expensive as an Eomon herd. They acted like a mid-range player might if he saw a noob having problems with an Argonaut Hunter, although here there was (because this is an event) a chance of uber loot, even super-uber loot, and I can't help thinking this is just why rich people are rich; they show their true colours when opportunity comes knocking.

I reckon Kerham's gonna do well, maybe even get a Tango+E-amp15 and settle the score one day, but I don't think the loss was huge.

Warants can't be damned by one incident, but in their desperation to win they forgot politeness, so maybe it's time to chill out Mr Stryker and Co, no-one asked you to spend so much time and money here.

....Apart from that, ONE ks? HOW big is this thread??? :laugh:
 
Leafren said:
Eomon are like fugabarba to Warants :thumbup:
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Funniest quote from the crater yesterday..

'OMG the eomon hit one of those warants and he only lost half his health'

I think they were talking about Skalman. I've heard he's kind of uber.. :laugh:
 
Without my outbursts of "moron moron" I can see a lot of ppl agree with me , ie rep points, I'm sure theres morons in warants too, but mainly in this thread,,, including me for reading this moronic thread.
I must stop saying moron!
 
LOL, So much bashing of my society. One unintentional shot was enough to turn that freaking Eonom from many ppl with guns…. Warants soc is not in business to KS, as to reputation… the message is too short… of how many ppl we helped trough out these years. I’m not saying we are angels but accusing us of so much shit. He said, I said, I saw, he did, I didn't, I was told, now I know he did, I though now I don't... SO pathetic.

Kerham said:
I'm just a newb now, only specialist pistoleer with 123 hp. But things will change in 1 year or in 2 years. And then I'll have Warrants for lunch. Is fun to have an objective in the game and they shown what can be most disgusting in a comunity-related game.
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And to this... I’ll be looking forward when u will have us for lunch…
 
Etopia said:
More i read , and more it seems its better to be a pure asshole than trying to be good.
When you are a pure asshole people dont bother you if one day you did something nice...
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I think when all this have calmed down, it will basically be forgotten. What we know so far it that it's two people that have acted in the name of their society, and we don't know if what they did was deliberate, if it was the common policy of the soc. Whether they or their society is "good" or "bad" is for the past and future to show.
 
Sure, just because things can be done, does not make it illegal. But personally I like to believe in a set of ethics, a code of honor, if you may.

People online act like total dicks at times (me included). But just because someone has better gear in a game, is no reason to respect them. Respect is earned through actions; not an online collection of bits and bytes.

After all, should PE go tits up, today's best skilled avatar who plays PE for a living is tomorrow's unemployed person who could have bought a very nice car if only he'd had some foresight.

End of the day, even when an uber takes a crap in the real-life toilet, it still smells.
 
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