BOooOoooRING

See this is the problem with a full RCE system...

What you're saying is pretty right.
In fact, you're basically describing the 2.0.

The problem isn't so much where the game is, if you don't take into account where it comes from.

I mean, the game in its current state may seems normal for someone who started recently, right after the 2.0 or not long before, and of course taking into account the time he spent on it.
For someone who started long before, but only played a few weekends here and there, the change will not have the same impact as for someone who invested a lot of time.

The first thing I regret is that MA didn't clearly describe the change.
The only thing they said about it was some time after 2.0.
something like "players who cycled xx PED, enjoyed a 97% return".

Now we have to interpret that...
"Enjoyed a 97% return" basically means that from now on, we'll have to be very happy with 97%, because that's the best we can get.

Because that's what it is.
It's an average, so we could say some get 50% and some 147%?
But the facts show that's not true.
I know a lot of people who lose a lot and very quickly, but I'm still waiting for the only person who will tell me that they win a lot and very quickly (playing).

Just check the returns of all the people you know, and you will see that they are all the same.
Because returns are flat as fuck, exactly how I said in OP.


And besides, the major problem is that you can still lose extravagant amounts of money very quickly while playing.
And if at the same time you can't win, then there's something really wrong here... :scratch2:

It's just maths...
We still get very bad returns, close to 50% sometimes.
So I'm just wondering where are the 150% returns (or at least 147%).
Logically, positive returns should be almost inversely proportional to negative returns, and should happen just as often.
But the way it actually works is very far from that.

Just to take myself as an example, for almost 3 years with this avatar, I've been playing a lot, almost every day, several hours.
And over 30 months, I've had 29 negative months and 1 positive month.

So for me, basically there is something wrong in the way this change was made, without clearly explaining the reality of it.
 
well, I dare to disagree here.

We are the same retards as they are:


First of all, if you really want to compare us with these people, then I'd say we're a lot dumber than they are. :dunce:
Because at least they have a chance of winning.
A small chance, that is.
But at least there's a chance.

Then if you keep comparing Entropia to a casino, you don't understand how it works.
The comparison was eventually still possible before the 2.0 , a little bit, but that's absolutely not the case anymore.

For the simple reason that MA doesn't have the authorization for that, it would then be gambling, and Entropia would be outlawed.

So if you really want to compare Entropia to a casino, I would say that it is one where each player is only allowed to play on their own slot machine. :rolleyes:

That's why you have no chance to win in the long run, and it's even almost impossible to win in the short run, since the only money that is in the game you play is your own.

I'm only talking about the TT side of course.
If the casino allows you to resell your chips at 101% then you may be able to reduce your losses slightly... :wtg:
 
That's a fairly negative reply really and it looks to me when I read it that you are focused on the money side of things.

It also sounds like the way old farts at work bang on about the good old days when "it were much better" which is code for "we got away with doing feck all and there were lots of freebies and now it's shit because we have to actually earn something"

You get out what you put in which could be why you are bored. Change your approach, find things to interest you, set a goal.

And stop with the negative waves Moriarty

I think the answer to Jambon right before is valid for that, too.

About me that would be focused on the money side of things, well probably.
Because that what Entropia was about mostly.
This is a RCE.
Now if MA want to forget about this, and try to change it to be just a fun game as any others MMO, it will failed for sure.
Unless they make it impossible to loose more than $20/month, as any others MMO. :rolleyes:


And I'll just add that the people you call "old farts", I call them experienced people, or people with experience.

They're actually more experienced than you, they lived in the past, and they're still living in the present, so they can compare both.
Which you can't do if you don't have past experience.
So I think if they tell you it was better before, maybe it's not nostalgia.
Maybe it's just true. :wise:


And about "stopping the negatives vibes", that's all I ask. :)

As with any subject, I'm just trying to be realistic.
So if the reality is disappointing, the statement is disappointing, if it's positive, the statement will be positive.

I'm not grumbling for the sake of grumbling.
But hoping that it has an impact to change things in a positive way.

Moreover, I am far from being the only one thinking what I think.
A lot of people completely agree with what I'm saying.

By the way, I take this opportunity to thank people for their +rep, and their private messages saying that they agree with what I say in this thread or in others.

But I think it would be much more productive and efficient to write it directly in the thread, so that people realize that I'm far from being alone in thinking this way.
Some people would realize this, and why not MA at the same time... :dunno:
 
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"...........Warning, incoming shit-post reply detected..........."


:laugh:

You are welcome to continue making a fool of yourself here, as much as you want, by showing everyone you have no argument.

By the way, they can also look at your tracker (as I just did), to see that I was totaly right about you, and that you have no legitimacy to talk about the game from a player's point of view.
In more than 10 years, 16k PED total tracker, with a highest loot at 10k... No comment. :rolleyes:

You're just a perfect example of what I'm trying to describe.
A person who makes money out of Entropia through lands, trading and deeds.

And tells anyone who'll listen that it's okay to lose money by "playing"... :yay:

So thank you for that. :tiphat:
 
First of all, if you really want to compare us with these people, then I'd say we're a lot dumber than they are. :dunce:
Because at least they have a chance of winning.
A small chance, that is.
But at least there's a chance.

Then if you keep comparing Entropia to a casino, you don't understand how it works.
The comparison was eventually still possible before the 2.0 , a little bit, but that's absolutely not the case anymore.

For the simple reason that MA doesn't have the authorization for that, it would then be gambling, and Entropia would be outlawed.

So if you really want to compare Entropia to a casino, I would say that it is one where each player is only allowed to play on their own slot machine. :rolleyes:

That's why you have no chance to win in the long run, and it's even almost impossible to win in the short run, since the only money that is in the game you play is your own.

I'm only talking about the TT side of course.
If the casino allows you to resell your chips at 101% then you may be able to reduce your losses slightly... :wtg:


Well, I think I do know entropia pretty well and yes, hunting mobs IS a slotmachine. The casino house takes a rake, same as MA does. So I think that comparison works very well.

Playing slots can make you win, but on the long run you will lose.
Hunting in Entropia can make you win, but on the long run you will lose.

But the difference is, the tokens you can win don't all have the same value, unlike in a casino.
 
I just like it too look it like this

Project Entropia felt like Entropia Universe. Entropia Universe feels like Project Entropia.
 
I know I'm flogging a dead horse here, but here we go..........


You are welcome to continue making a fool of yourself here, as much as you want, by showing everyone you have no argument.

Thank you, I will. :)


By the way, they can also look at your tracker (as I just did), to see that I was totaly right about you, and that you have no legitimacy to talk about the game from a player's point of view.
In more than 10 years, 16k PED total tracker, with a highest loot at 10k... No comment. :rolleyes:

If you know so much about me ~ Cirrus ~, you would know that I am a social player - so I prefer to hunt in teams and in groups for shared loot mobs like Sand King etc. In any case, I think the "I spend more than you so ha!" argument is a little pointless and childish to be honest.


You're just a perfect example of what I'm trying to describe.
A person who makes money out of Entropia through lands, trading and deeds.

I love this game and I played in a normal 'regular depositor' way for over a decade before I decided to invest in a Land Area because I thought I could add value to the community with the events I run. What's wrong with that?

IF you think I'm doing so well and IF you're so keen to 'make money' out of Entropia, why don't you look to invest in deeds rather than ammo? Just saying. :rolleyes:


"And tells anyone who'll listen that it's okay to lose money by "playing"... :yay:"

Do you have a Netflix subscription? For the sake of argument, let's say you do. Would you pay your $5 a month for 1 month to watch movies they had created for your enjoyment then call up Netflix and say "I've watched your movies from start to finish - but I still found them really BOooOoooRING and I'm really annoyed that you haven't paid me $10 for watching them!"

See my point?

If you wanted to make money from Netflix, you'd have to add value in some way - such as refer friends and earn a commission or save up and buy shares in the company. You don't make money from just consuming their content - BUT, that doesn't mean that paying for a Netflix subscription is bad. The vast majority of people just want to pay their subscription fee and enjoy the content. That's what I do. What's wrong with that?

Entropia is no different from this. If you think you're spending too much. Use a smaller weapon and hunt smaller mobs, or hunt bigger mobs but less frequently. It's fine. Just fit your budget accordingly.
 
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By the way, they can also look at your tracker (as I just did), to see that I was totaly right about you, and that you have no legitimacy to talk about the game from a player's point of view.
In more than 10 years, 16k PED total tracker, with a highest loot at 10k... No comment. :rolleyes:

You're just a perfect example of what I'm trying to describe.
A person who makes money out of Entropia through lands, trading and deeds.

And tells anyone who'll listen that it's okay to lose money by "playing"... :yay:

So thank you for that. :tiphat:


this is such a lame reaction.
To judge based on the tracker.

So, someone who spends 1000$ per month to get 1millon on the tracker knows the game better than someone who doesn't deposit but manages to make a profit?? :laugh:

Sorry cirrus, but now you're contradicting yourself.

you're just saying entropia is more than a casino.
Indeed, making money from lands, deeds, trading, now THAT's entropia!

Just grinding mobs is for those folks who don't understand Entropia.
 
Just check the returns of all the people you know, and you will see that they are all the same.

The real problem with this logic is that most people either don't track their returns properly or don't know how (meaning they think they track corrrectly but are not).

An example (there are many others) - Majority will check their ped card before and then after and not take into account the fact that they converted some shrapnel in the middle of the hunt.

So you can't really trust the answers from those you know unless you are actually tracking their results for them.
 
And I'll just add that the people you call "old farts", I call them experienced people, or people with experience.

They're actually more experienced than you, they lived in the past, and they're still living in the present, so they can compare both.
Which you can't do if you don't have past experience.
So I think if they tell you it was better before, maybe it's not nostalgia.
Maybe it's just true. :wise:


And about "stopping the negatives vibes", that's all I ask. :)

You know nothing about me and my age group so your comments are fundamentally incorrect.
 
I gave up cigarettes about 15 years ago.

I have been trying to eat better & drink more water.

I try to aim for at least 7hrs sleep each night.

I work out ~30mins every weekday.

I try to be better about alcohol intake.



Ultimately it was all futile since this thread gave me cancer anyway.
 
I gave up cigarettes about 15 years ago.

I have been trying to eat better & drink more water.

I try to aim for at least 7hrs sleep each night.

I work out ~30mins every weekday.

I try to be better about alcohol intake.



Ultimately it was all futile since this thread gave me cancer anyway.

I hope you'll heal quickly, and that you'll be able to troll for many more years, since it seems to bring you a lot of self-satisfaction. :thumbup:
 
The real problem with this logic is that most people either don't track their returns properly or don't know how (meaning they think they track corrrectly but are not).

An example (there are many others) - Majority will check their ped card before and then after and not take into account the fact that they converted some shrapnel in the middle of the hunt.

So you can't really trust the answers from those you know unless you are actually tracking their results for them.

I think the people I'm around are relatively "normal", and I don't know anyone who's dumb enough to do that... :dunce:
 
Time to rain on yuour parade!

Life on Earth is boring. Just like you said about the game, Earth is the same:

Excuse me?

Let's be honest if Life is boring then look around at this very moment at least 4% of the world's population think it's boring and they are leaving the game of "Real life" . It's a little something called "The Morgue" What folks thing Life is boring? If that's the case then hook me up to a respirator! I want to fight fo rmy life.. If Earth is so boring thenwhy on god's green earth are we up in arms about a piece of Genetic Code wrapped in a protein coating that could rewrite our genes and kill us in the process. It's a little thing called a virus..

sheesh, if Life is boring then please expose me to the virus and let me get off the world, I want to go explore deep space (unlike what you can't do in game..)

Another fact, if you die in game, you can revive after a certain moment of time. In real life, you can't revive.. it's permanently game over..

But hey You do say that Earth is boring.. If this is the case then Mother nature is boring and we're playing on her game board. We have to follow her rules. Failure to do so either leaves us in a hospital bed or that other place known as "The Morgue.". Now tell me if Earth is boring when Mother nature challenges you to fight it's a little thing known as Darwinism.. Survival of the Fittest and what not.. But hey it's her rules not ours. She sets the rules, and if we don't follow them, well you guet the idea.. if Not then do I have to spell it out any more lcearer than that?


Life on Calypso is far preferable, despite days of poor loot :)

Again that's your opinion but every location in game has potential . But it's up to each of us to determine that potential. You stay in one place, you will get bored. You have to move around and do things in order to move forward. that's the whole point ofthis game. To be able to learn and evolve and adapt..

It's either that, or you can stay on calypso bored and unimpressed. That's the point here.. You can sit in the same spot and do the same repetative things over and over again and get bored, or you can try something new, your choice. And that's all I have to say about that..

(Sgt.) Benjamin Ben Coyote , IFN Marines
A.K.A. "The Blind Sniper" (and ) his pets.
 
this is such a lame reaction.
To judge based on the tracker.

I don't think so, I think it speaks for itself.
Anyway I never attack anyone, I simply adapt my responses to the level of stupidity or aggressiveness of the comments made to me.

So, someone who spends 1000$ per month to get 1millon on the tracker knows the game better than someone who doesn't deposit but manages to make a profit?? :laugh:

I don't know what you're talking about.
I never mentioned anything about deposit or not deposit.

Sorry cirrus, but now you're contradicting yourself.

you're just saying entropia is more than a casino.

I don't think so.
First of all, I didn't say that Entropia was more than a casino.
I said it is completely different, so it's not even comparable.

Indeed, making money from lands, deeds, trading, now THAT's entropia!

Just grinding mobs is for those folks who don't understand Entropia.

Here I don't know what you're trying to say, but you're just repeating and confirming what I'm saying.
Nothing less, nothing more.

Namely that Entropia is now more of a trading platform than a game. :wise:
 
it's exactly this bullsh1t mentality that brought EU down to it's current level - because one day they WILL leave and do something else, no problem.

:wise:

I love this comment
there is no best lie than the real truth.
many old players left and many new players will come for sure, do not doubt it, but the game its losing interest for many of us and that's is true at this point
 
I know I'm flogging a dead horse here, but here we go...

It's funny how all the players whose tiny trackers are pointed at only hunt in teams... :rolleyes:
Or on deserted planets... (you forgot that one)

And so in 10 years, your total tracker for mining is 74 PED because you are mining in team too I guess ? ;)

Or you just don't like mining at all, Ok why not.
And anyway you spent so much time hunting in teams that you don't have any left for mining...
So you hunt in team, you don't mine nor craft, Ok of course it makes sense, now I believe you without any hesitation...


And yes, of course, you invested in a Land Area because "you thought you could add value to the community through the events you organize".
It's absolutely not about making money. :wise:

Dude, it start being funny now... :D

That said, I'm just answering to your idiotic assertions.
The first one being to say that it's perfectly normal to lose all your money playing.

I mean I have nothing against you or the other "investors" personally.
Until they say something bullshit... :ahh:
Basically, it's against the system that allows this to happen that I'm talking about.
So essentially against some of MA's decisions.


I'm not even going to answer the part about Netflix.
And I suggest you learn about Sophism, so maybe you'll stop comparing things that are not comparable... (lot of people like to do it, that's why I have to repeat it often, unfortunatly :()


But at least for the "what's wrong whith that?"
I think I've already explained it a few times, but I'll make the effort to repeat it for you...

What's wrong is that first of all it's done to the detriment of the "players".
What I call the "players" are those who just want to do hunting/mining/crafting (that are, for a remind, the main professions of the game) while having a chance not to lose continuously.

And that secondly, this is done in such a way that we are now "obliged" to invest in the game if we want to have a chance to recover.

This is mainly what is wrong in my opinion.
 
I don't know what you're talking about.
I never mentioned anything about deposit or not deposit.

was not referring to you in special, just people in general./

I don't think so.
First of all, I didn't say that Entropia was more than a casino.
I said it is completely different, so it's not even comparable.

Ow, I do think you're wrong here, it's very much comparable.
But it's more than just that.
It's a world were the mobs are the slot machines.
but the tokens they drop vary and that's were it differentiates from a casino.
But each loot event is a spin on the slot machine.

Here I don't know what you're trying to say, but you're just repeating and confirming what I'm saying.
Nothing less, nothing more.

Namely that Entropia is now more of a trading platform than a game. :wise:

Entropia has ALWAYS been a trading platform.
But sadly the trading isn't what it was 15 years ago.

It didnt change, you did.
 
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