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LoL PvPers going to town on Noobs and Sweaters at neas. Watch your face, before they head shot it.
 
I just got word from MindArk. In regards to the questions weather or not skill gains from participating in a Fort Event where the ammo and deterioration is only 10% of the normal have been balanced in accordance, the answer is Yes.
 
Telgard said:
LoL PvPers going to town on Noobs and Sweaters at neas. Watch your face, before they head shot it.
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I wish 50 "noobs" would gang up and Opalo these griefers to death. 50 times 1 damage is still 50 damage. :silly2:
 
Audrey Cheerful said:
I wish 50 "noobs" would gang up and Opalo these griefers to death. 50 times 1 damage is still 50 damage. :silly2:
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Just use an M2100 :D

That is some hardcore armor decay. lol
 
MA indeed are financial geniuses. They've finally figured out they can profit on Landgrabs decay not once per year, but every week! :laugh:
 
I like this VU. Good work.

I'd also like to take credit for the 720p resolution. I've been bugging MA for a while now ;)
 
Very clever done with the 10 % event cost, nice move by MA.
 
The only thing that sticks out for me is that "All of Amethera is pvp zone", time to have some pvp fun before they fix this issue;)
 
BlackHawk said:
From what I read, a huge number of players will fight each other generating decay at low cost compared to any other activity. More than that. They get to share the decay at the end.

WHERE IS THE SHARE FOR MA IN THIS?


If MA has no share in this, they will have to get those 10-20 ped/hour/participant from other professions. So they will drain the loot. If if they have 100 people in 3 hour event, that would cost 3-6k ped/event.


The meaning of this is that we all will pay in hunting, mining and crafting for some people to have fun every day. I expect to see average returns lowered due to this fact.


ANyway, I think this implementation is one of the best we could hope for. I can only hope that those people will pay 6k total markup on whatever crap they burn there....
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I disagree. As in all other pvp events, the winner does not receive the entire amount of decay or ammo spent. MA and SEE take their cut first.
The system however, can be used to get skills in a very cheap way, provided your team wins and the ticket price is low.
 
Naifas Anaconda said:
I disagree. As in all other pvp events, the winner does not receive the entire amount of decay or ammo spent. MA and SEE take their cut first.
The system however, can be used to get skills in a very cheap way, provided your team wins and the ticket price is low.
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Hanne already said that skills have been adjusted accordingly.
 
BlackHawk said:
WHERE IS THE SHARE FOR MA IN THIS?
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Well first of all, MA does not make money from decay. PED is a worthless currency that does not exist, so they can't make money from that which has no value. Their revenue is from deposits. People will no doubt have to deposit to be able to afford some better gear and vehicles and ammo to play in this. I have a feeling this will be a large deposit generator for MA.

And if it's decay that you worry about, as PopFuzz said earlier, there will no doubt be LOTS of decay being generated to loot the materials needed which will be in higher demand now to craft the gear that people want so they can compete.
 
Reminds me of Team Fortress Classic.

2fort anyone, or some good old dustbowl :)
 
StarGlider said:
Reminds me of Team Fortress Classic.

2fort anyone, or some good old dustbowl :)
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also Unreal Tournament 2003s Onslaught mode. If only they'd add instagib ;)
 
Sounds like a great update, have to see how it plays out.

Yay for coords finally being visible without pressing P all the time!
 
DoubleWolf said:
Well first of all, MA does not make money from decay. PED is a worthless currency that does not exist, so they can't make money from that which has no value. Their revenue is from deposits. People will no doubt have to deposit to be able to afford some better gear and vehicles and ammo to play in this. I have a feeling this will be a large deposit generator for MA.

And if it's decay that you worry about, as PopFuzz said earlier, there will no doubt be LOTS of decay being generated to loot the materials needed which will be in higher demand now to craft the gear that people want so they can compete.
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PED is definitely not a worthless currency. It can be withdrawn for real money which makes it valuable. MA's income goes down when PED is withdrawn.
 
donniet1977 said:
PED is definitely not a worthless currency. It can be withdrawn for real money which makes it valuable. MA's income goes down when PED is withdrawn.
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No it can be EXCHANGED for real money. There's a fundamental difference there...
 
donniet1977 said:
So is gold a worthless currency?
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No, gold has a real value. PED is virtual. No one "owns" PED. PED is not recognized by ANY financial institution. It's just Monopoly money. Monopoly money has no value. But MA offers that they will buy back the Monopoly money that you hold on to. That doesn't give it true value. If PED had a true value, it would be backed by assets on MA's books, and we would be listed as a liability to those assets, much in the same way a bank does. If this were the case, then they could indeed take money from decay.

That's not how it works though.
 
All that new Land grab formula sounds bit like old game Tribes 2....deja vu ?
 
DoubleWolf said:
No, gold has a real value. PED is virtual. No one "owns" PED. PED is not recognized by ANY financial institution. It's just Monopoly money. Monopoly money has no value. But MA offers that they will buy back the Monopoly money that you hold on to. That doesn't give it true value. If PED had a true value, it would be backed by assets on MA's books, and we would be listed as a liability to those assets, much in the same way a bank does. If this were the case, then they could indeed take money from decay.

That's not how it works though.
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I understand what you're saying, I think, but doesn't the fact that I purchase PED with real money give it value by definition? I understand its not back by financial institutions but that just makes it more risky. Also, if a deposit is revenue for MA isn't a withdrawal an expense? So it seems that as a player's PED go up, so does MA's liability. So if all players withdrew their PED at once, wouldn't it be like a run on the bank, lowering MA's cash assets?
 
donniet1977 said:
I understand what you're saying, I think, but doesn't the fact that I purchase PED with real money give it value by definition? I understand its not back by financial institutions but that just makes it more risky. Also, if a deposit is revenue for MA isn't a withdrawal an expense? So it seems that as a player's PED go up, so does MA's liability. So if all players withdrew their PED at once, wouldn't it be like a run on the bank, lowering MA's cash assets?
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I've used this example before, so I'm just copying this from another thread:

Assume it like a lemonade stand. You buy a cup of lemonade. That money has gone directly to the kid selling the lemonade. The idea is that you will drink the lemonade and buy another cup. As you drink the lemonade, the kid does not continue to make money. However an empty cup always needs refilling and hopefully you'll buy another.

This lemonade stand is special though. The kid offers that he will buy back any unconsumed lemonade (could be kind of gross, I know...). This opens the door for you to profit. If you could convince other kids in the neighborhood to give you their lemonade that they bought, you could potentially get more money back than you paid for yourself. Also, if the kid can set his business up in such a way that he guarantees that more lemonade will be purchased from him than asked to be refunded each week, he can just pay the refunds next week from the money he got from purchases this week.

In this scenario, the lemonade itself has no worth. The kid selling it does not make money directly from the act of kids drinking the lemonade. The only thing it does is reduce the amount of lemonade that COULD be requested to be bought back. But if the kid decides to shut down his lemonade stand, he doesn't owe the other kids the value of their lemonade. The other kids are just stuck with lemonade.

In addition to this, to better address what you said about everyone withdrawing their peds at once, if this were to occur, MA would simply say "tough shit, wait til we get more money" since withdrawals come directly from that months deposits, and not from a reserve of cash that they are sitting on.
 
DoubleWolf said:
I've used this example before, so I'm just copying this from another thread:

Assume it like a lemonade stand. You buy a cup of lemonade. That money has gone directly to the kid selling the lemonade. The idea is that you will drink the lemonade and buy another cup. As you drink the lemonade, the kid does not continue to make money. However an empty cup always needs refilling and hopefully you'll buy another.

This lemonade stand is special though. The kid offers that he will buy back any unconsumed lemonade (could be kind of gross, I know...). This opens the door for you to profit. If you could convince other kids in the neighborhood to give you their lemonade that they bought, you could potentially get more money back than you paid for yourself. Also, if the kid can set his business up in such a way that he guarantees that more lemonade will be purchased from him than asked to be refunded each week, he can just pay the refunds next week from the money he got from purchases this week.

In this scenario, the lemonade itself has no worth. The kid selling it does not make money directly from the act of kids drinking the lemonade. The only thing it does is reduce the amount of lemonade that COULD be requested to be bought back. But if the kid decides to shut down his lemonade stand, he doesn't owe the other kids the value of their lemonade. The other kids are just stuck with lemonade.

In addition to this, to better address what you said about everyone withdrawing their peds at once, if this were to occur, MA would simply say "tough shit, wait til we get more money" since withdrawals come directly from that months deposits, and not from a reserve of cash that they are sitting on.
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Nice example:)

casino chips are another, more obvious example....

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To Donniet:

If you read the financial statement....

Deposits are counted as "sales"

Everyone's combined pedcard value, as well as the tt value of all items in game is listed as a "contingent liability", meaning we'd owe this if folks withdrew.

MA can lower this "liability" substancially whenever they choose by simply taking from the loot pool be it through decay or any other means. Naturally, we all have a legitimate expectation (which MA knows that it is in its interest to honor) that the entire player base wont have ALL of their ped dissapear at once, but there is probably nothing legally preventing them from doing so...

it is highly unlikely that there could ever be a "run on the bank", as MA doesn't neccesarily guarantee a timeframe for withdrawal... they have essentially from whenever you hit the withdraw button until the beginning of your lawsuit:;) to pay you, and even then, the EULA only leaves them on the hook for the amount you, personally, put in in the previous year...
 
lilac said:
Nice example:)

casino chips are another, more obvious example....
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Except that casinos are bound to exchange their chips for their face value, just as Mindark is bound to value their virtual items at TT and exchange as well, no?

In the case of EU, however, most of the value is in the markup - and that is where the "artificial" money really is. They are in no way bound to us for that.

So you are actually both right, as I see it. :D

--Arti
 
huh
the dashboard changes don't go far enough
we really need an indicator that turns red when we are not in-game

-jay
 
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Wherever USA goes, war follows.
 
Anyone got any ideas on why some of us are continually crashing after this VU?
 
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