Is EU too Expensive?

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Well lets just look at a few of the area's in which you can choose to play this game, bare in mind MA business model is based on so called ability to pay your RL bills by playing a game (but EULA says this is NOT a game lol).

Ok lets start with Hunting the profession in which most of us start this game in, i'll break it into lvl's.

LvL 1 Hunter:

Like to sweat hunt combibo's, diakiba's, Exa's etc, this is a very good way to play the game and by sweating the mob before killing you can help boost your loot return maybe even making your hunting actualy profitable. This may not cost you much but dont expect to be making huge amounts of cash from the game in this manner of hunting.

LvL 2 Hunter:

Graduated from mentorship bought your first set of real armour most likely Shogun, Paladin or Knight. You can now hunt lower lvl Argo's, Drones, Feffoids etc and no longer wanna sweat. Dont expect this to be profitable at your skill lvl as you must factor in your gun, armour FAP decay etc, but you do stand a chance at hitting one of those nice globals or HoF's you seen while a noob and may actualy have a few hunts with good profit. I'd recomend your hunts are 100-200 ped ammo.

LvL 3 Hunter:

You have Ghost you have 5B plates and now your using Korss H400 with good amp maybe FAP 50-80 or EMT 2350. You now in a good position to hunt the Atrox, Atrax, Maffoids, mid-high lvl Bery's alot higher mobs than before when at lvl 2. This again is an increase in the health of the mobs you hunt so more ammo needed, more decay on armour due to having plates on it and if taking alot of hit with your bigger FAP more decay on that average decay bill for your hunt is 40-80 ped depending on your amp and what your hunting.

LvL 4 hunter:

You are mid lvl player close to if not over the Medium health point, your hunting Aurli, Kreltin, Hogglo's, Scips, Big Argo's, Big Molisk etc again you can do this with a Ghost set and 5B with EMT 2600 FAP. You are buying guns like the P5a or Apis or your at about 45-50+ hit on UL weapons so your using something like ML-35 or Camo or Adj Mini Sweeper (i'm using Karma Killer). Again your further up the ladder so more decay for you again on CP 200 ped ammo can mean 100+ ped decay same with Hogg's. No you need the globals or your hunts are a disaster.

LvL 4 Uber hunter:

You can solo Dasps Spiders, Seg's, Hogg's, dome 4 CP, big Scip's, Flax etc now your spending a good few peds per mobs anywhere from 10-40 ped per mob in ammo decay etc. You bigger spend should mean more return from your ammo spent but not always, so with your big outlay expect big returns but be ready for those big losses.

Crafting:

Well same as before the higher up the tree you move the more you spend per click but again the more you can get back, if your just crafting for globals on condition well all I can say to that is :rofl:, be aware yeah that 1k-10k HoF might come along but think about what if it dont come and your just feeding the loot pool for someone else? Can you afford $1 per click on OA-101 on condition if you do a 250 click run? say you dont HoF and only get 6 globals total returns is 50% of your input, your run lasted 15 minutes and you do the same all week trying to get that big hit to win it back. 7x $125 = $875 you lost in 1 week can you afford that?

Mining:

The higher up you go the better knowledge you get of area's etc, your thinking about amps, so you buy some think about how many bombs you get per amp and how much you can lose if you dont Global or HoF. Can you sustain the output over the course of a week if you contiue to lose on amps? Take CND everyone goes with OA-103 amps looking for the big hit 140 per amp 56 bombs + decay on finder lets say 200 ped for a round figure thats $20 only takes you 30 mins or so to drop your bombs so in an average night you can burn about 6+ 103s thats $120 per night over a week on CND = $840 output but what about your returns? What if you dont hit the big one? You can easily lose $2000 per month if your a gamer and play most hours of the day (like me) think about how big this loss could be it could easily be $10,000 per month if your not careful.

Now that all being said you could be getting steady returns from your proffesion or now you have knowledge and your set up right but what i'm trying to say here is EU is NOT too expensive, you just need to find a lvl that you can afford and stick with it, if your lvl is low and its boring and you dont like it then try the bigger lvl but if its not working then know when to stop and think about if this realy is the game for you! I'm sure you can profit in EVERY proffesion in game but what lvl you need to be what mob you need to hunt equipment needed, items you need to craft, ores you need to mine is what you need to work out, once your at the right lvl with correct set up then you'll see it yourself, until then play safe and remember if we all made profit easily then the game would not exist its not a license to print money.

We all know this game is Gambling even if MA proved in court its not we know it is, gambling is a drug and if your getting in far too deep seek couciling PLEASE, many people can easily lose alot of IRL cash in here and then you might lose your house, your car, your life basicly.

P.s. My examples are not exact just to be used as a guide to show you should pick a lvl suited to your budget.

Kinds regards and play safe,
Sao - General of TKoC HQ
 
No its not and yes it is.

to buy gear yes

to play yes and no. some month i dont have to deposit more then 1kpeds and i can live with that... its alot of fun for that amount...

but some months those 1k are gone within 3days and that just suck.

i would be glad if it was alitle less dynamic... just a litle :)

LVL 4 hunter btw
 
There is a big difference between a spider and a hog.
 
There is a big difference between a spider and a hog.


LMAO I knew someone would do this thats why I put:

P.s. My examples are not exact just to be used as a guide to show you should pick a lvl suited to your budget.

Next time read the thread before replying.
 
Good that you point that out. the $ input of the individual gamer depends on his or her style, no doubt.

I can hunt Molisk with pixie + fap 5 + p3a+102 and only loose 20 ped... or I can hunt trox young-dominant in gremling + korss400+104 and loose 200 ped per run... it all depends...

Maybe the better question would be if the $-factor is +- equal to the fun-factor. Hunting snables with opalo is good for the $, but bad for the fun-factor. The balance between fun&$ is a fragile one.

But I agree that one should not deposit what one can not spare. And adapt to the level they think is adequate both $ and fun wise.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/general-economy-discussion/118221-playing-costs.html

The link above is also intresting..

Regards,
BB
 
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Maybe the better question would be if the $-factor is +- equal to the fun-factor. Hunting snables with opalo is good for the $, but bad for the fun-factor. The balance between fun&$ is a fragile one.

totally spot on!
EU can be as expensive or cheap as you want it to be. now, the fun or "entertainment quality" you get from it, that's a totally different story.

it is true that, beyond a cetain avatar level, if you want to have a reasonable fun experience in EU, and feel a certain rate of advancement, you need gear that is absourdly expensive. that's the weakest point of EU, imo.

you reach a certain point when you have to decide: either put an immense amount of money or the game becomes deadly boring.
 
Maybe I'm between lvl 3 and 4 on your scale with lvl 43 laser sniper and 130 health.
I did 2 80-100 ped profit runs on small argos yesterday, using no armor and p5a.
Today I did a 130 ped loss run on ambu with armor and apis.
But, the argo runs were better than usual with lots of minis and some globals, and the ambu run had terrible loot, no minis and no globals.

Going for the bigger mobs greatly increases the risk of big losses, but sticking to eco gear and smaller mobs I know that I can be more efficient now than before.

Lately I've had a very bad period, where I'm losing 50-150 peds almost every hunt. Every now and then though, a hunt or two comes along that breaks even or even profits.

It has become more expensive I think, but as you say, it depends on your choice of hunt.

Overall, there's really no reward for hunting bigger mobs, unless you hit it really big, or loot an uber item, which, for all practical purposes, seldom-to-never happens - or, you can cycle a large amount of peds :)
 
you reach a certain point when you have to decide: either put an immense amount of money or the game becomes deadly boring.

Or team up.
 
The game has definatly turned into something that can be come a money pit quickly(hours). MA has purposly cultivated things to be exspensive as hell. They want some one to depo tons of cash into the game to buy equipment, so hopefully a good chunk of that will go to the sellers decay bill. Just sucks stuff is so exspensive.
 
I think the first post is well written (though I think some comma would have make it more "readable" ;)).

Every time people will complain about bad returns they should (in my opnion) first check, if they did something senseful (playing at "their" level) and then check, why they did not stop, when loot was bad.

So a big +rep for topic starter from me.
 
IN MY OPINION

As a game you play for fun... WAY too expensive

For Investors and hardcore Pro Gamers who make their living from gaming.... No
 
IN MY OPINION

As a game you play for fun... WAY too expensive

For Investors and hardcore Pro Gamers who make their living from gaming.... No

this is just as fun for us as it is for other people lpaying poker for real cash, or you name it.

Its all about the , "will i get the big one ??" feeling or for the "i am just lvl 60 pistoleer, what level are you?" people, how i see it, EU is just a playground and you can do whatever you want. With the costs you want.

make your own life, dont live for what other people want to see from you.
 
Every time people will complain about bad returns they should (in my opnion) first check, if they did something senseful (playing at "their" level) and then check, why they did not stop, when loot was bad.

If I should use gear at my level, I should hunt with LR-63, SK-50 FAP, Dragons Breath sword. Use Apis with Bulltac 70. Economical? :rolleyes:

If I should hunt economical, I should use gear aimed at player level 15-20 and forget that my hunting skills are at level 40-45.
 
Good starting post with some pretty reasonable examples, +rep.

I think the initial question though (Is EU too expensive?) is extremely hard to quantify - and that's one of the reasons this question is asked so often.

I agree with a few here; I think you have to consider the fun factor, and what the game actually gives you for what you pay, but I'd say in general that it's far too expensive.

If you compare EU with other subscription MMOs with similar professions, etc. (although there are none which could truely be considered equivalent as such), I would say for the average player it is far too expensive.

I say that because through my time I've known people who are paying well over $100 a month (and some way, way more). Apart from the chance of hitting it big, and some of the other side-effects of this, there's not too much more to the actual gameplay than other games you can play for free, or very little.

Even after paying over $100, you still don't get much gameplay for your buck. Think how quickly you can spend 1000PED hunting! Sure, if you're Opalo'd up, this can take a while, but generally speaking, you can blast through that in no time if you wanted to.

But again, if you're the sort who enjoys playing frugally in order to get the most out of the game for the money, it's great. Unfortunately, I really don't think there are too many who fit into this category.
 
EU is as expensive as one makes it...
 
Even after paying over $100, you still don't get much gameplay for your buck. Think how quickly you can spend 1000PED hunting! Sure, if you're Opalo'd up, this can take a while, but generally speaking, you can blast through that in no time if you wanted to.

Very true, MA is a business making a lot of money, which is good, but.. to make your peds last longer can mean boredom for the mid and higher level players unless you win the ATH Lotto.
 
You can make Entropia Expensive sure. but depends about your financial stance and of course your addiction to Entropia. "What you put in is what you get out" mindset for me. :)
 
Again, the topic of EU being costly. I have to agree with OP's comments though, the higher you go in your field (hunt/mine, etc) the more costly it gets. But I also agree with another post that says its as expensive as you want it to be.
I used to depo regularly, but as of late my luck has been quite high so it's taken a load off my cc (so far, but I'm not holding my breath). I depo to have fun, and it is costly for me...but I look at this game as both fun and as an investment. The way I look at it, if/whenever I decide to leave, my skills are worth something, my inventory is worth something.....so when I do cash out, I've got a chunk of cash. Just as an example....if I put in $10usd, and decide to quit and get $2k back (optimistic, I believe, unless I can hit an ATH), then it was worth the $8k to have fun, socialize, explore, kill, etc... Perhaps even loot something that has a very high MU after time passes on. It's possible (gambling aspect, honestly, is why I'm still here :laugh:)
Just my 2 pecs....have fun with what you can and GL!
 
EU is as expensive as one makes it...

Thank you. This is the end all to this question. I always fail to see why people don't see it this way.

EU is not expensive at all. It is free. You download it and play it for free.

If you want to buy something within it, that costs money and depending on your point of view, your monetary situation, your whiney factor, the item can be seen as expensive. But EU is not expensive at all. It's free.

It's your chosen actions within the universe that are expensive. You choose to buy that sword, craft those ore amps, or sweat those exos. You choose how expensive the game is for you.

In life, we need to buy food, find transportation, pay the electric bill. These are necessities. They can be expensive to us if our money doesn't meet these demands.

Nothing in EU is necessary. You choose to spend your money on what ever you want. If you want more than you can afford, then your habits are too expensive.

If you have to keep blaming others, that's your business. But EU is free.
 
I think those levels are a bit narrow sighted.
I would be at level 3 according to that, but my repair bills on armour are surely never at 80-90 PEDs per hunt, not even 80-90 PEDs per week.
I am not that insane to do 1k PEDs hunts, I prefer 50-100 PEDs, it's way better because it forces you sooner to hunt somewhere else instead of spending it all in one spot.
My initial "investment" was maybe a bit high, but it pays off and deposits are not needed that much anymore (every 6-8 weeks 50 Euros).
Surely not expensive.
And as long as I have my fun, it's worth much more :D
 
EU is as expensive as one makes it...

+ rep

Totally agree.

The EU basic package..totally free

Anything else? well..........the sky is the limit really.
 
Anything else? well..........the sky is the limit really.

-rep :D

Wrong, we have allready passed the sky, when ND bought the space station.
 
what i'm trying to say here is EU is NOT too expensive, you just need to find a lvl that you can afford and stick with it,

In other words, if you want to be uber for $15/month you better go slay dragons.
 
In life, we need to buy food, find transportation, pay the electric bill. These are necessities. They can be expensive to us if our money doesn't meet these demands.

Nothing in EU is necessary. You choose to spend your money on what ever you want. If you want more than you can afford, then your habits are too expensive.

If you have to keep blaming others, that's your business. But EU is free.

There a gap in your logic so big you could ride an Atrox through it.

In life, we can opt out of our wants. We must work (most of us) to supply our needs.

Similarly in EU you can opt out of wants but you most certainly can not 'play' for free. That is unless you use the most basic definition of play. You can walk, chat, and sweat for free. But you can not 'play.'

In order to play EU you need necessities, You need ammo, armor, and PEDs to pay for decay. The cost of these items can be expensive. But at the very least you need to pay to play.

Ammo in EU is like food in real life. It is a necessity if you want to live (play.)
 
Thread starter - it can be too expensive, if you let it. The key is to find the balance - like you said.

@ Thoreau - if someone's never deposited a penny into Entropia - they're playing for free.
I know many people like this.
No, they're not all smelly swamp camp sweaters - they're actual players. From nub to mid level.

You're just a bit jaded is all :)

Plus those "necessities" are only for a select few. Some people craft - mine - resell. Therefore, ammo (only for hunters) armor (only if you wear it) - like previously stated, if the peds didn't come from your RL wallet - you're playing for free ;)

(lol @ smelly swamp camp sweaters - the ones at Nea's are smelly too - don't get offended - I'm pretty sure that I smell when I sweat :wtg: )
 
EU as MMORPG = too expensive = sucks
EU as Online Casino = same price, better graphics = nice
From an mmorpg players point of view yes it's way too expensive because it is impossible to progress equipment-wise without depositing insane amounts of money and progression is what keeps people playing mmorpgs, so EU gets boring after a while.
From the perspective of someone who likes online gambling on the other hand it's not more expensive than other online casinos, you can also decide how much you wanna risk and if you want to take a higher or lower risk.
And it has a lot better graphics and is more interesting to play then online poker etc.
 
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