Andy's mining log

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My 98% return is now caused only from the very short period of time (3 weeks of log). It will be lower (about 90% - check Eve Damsel Online logs and more others).

^^ This.

Just my opinion, but I believe the odds algorithm to be based on time, not PEDs cycled. That's why you see global peaks and slumps across the board - eg. mining will go into a slump for a while where the hitrate is very low and you'll see very sparse globals and then it will have peak times where you see people HOFing every minute, and hitrates are good. It's true for all professions, but they are all on different cycles.

With that in mind, a 3 week period is a very short statistical sample, regardless of amount of PED cycled. The amount of PED you cycle simply amplifies the current trend. If the odds are currently bad, cycling more PED doesn't help you, it just makes your losses greater. If the odds are currently good, cycling more PED increases your gains.

If you want to play smart, the best thing to do when things start going bad is stop playing and try again later.

 

[Gewitter]

^^ This.

Just my opinion, but I believe the odds algorithm to be based on time, not PEDs cycled. That's why you see global peaks and slumps across the board - eg. mining will go into a slump for a while where the hitrate is very low and you'll see very sparse globals and then it will have peak times where you see people HOFing every minute, and hitrates are good. It's true for all professions, but they are all on different cycles.

With that in mind, a 3 week period is a very short statistical sample, regardless of amount of PED cycled. The amount of PED you cycle simply amplifies the current trend. If the odds are currently bad, cycling more PED doesn't help you, it just makes your losses greater. If the odds are currently good, cycling more PED increases your gains.

If you want to play smart, the best thing to do when things start going bad is stop playing and try again later.

Very wise comment, I advise all who wish to argue, first to think about it.

 

[the_prophet]

incorrect EL lookup

My 98% return is now caused only from the very short period of time (3 weeks of log). It will be lower (about 90% - check Eve Damsel Online logs and more others). I also looked in your EL account and make sure that you play EU as casino (you can see it on your page 'Crafting Globals'). With this approach, it's surprising me how you get not only 72% return, IMO you must got 72% losses! I have no more desire to argue with you, because you are playing with Explo IV BP - and I'm sure, that you're a looser (all EP IV BP players are loosers IMO) and did not know how to play this game.

For all others (who are not EP IV gamblers) - it is possible to reach same results as me, in EU is enough places with ores/enmatters with high average MU. And you do not need to buy TM8 Gold Rush. Just take your patience and knowledge.

Sry m8, wrong prophet...this is my profile and no, I don't touch explo bp's at all as it makes no sense clicking them,...therefore what you wrote about me is actually nothing like me as it is not me...

http://www.entropialife.com/Profile.aspx?P=205074

This is my profile... And again - you don't seem to understand that different people get different results - if damsel gets 90% and u and three others, that doesn't mean EVERYONE gets the same returns

No need to argue this at all. Many people know they don't get 90% return...but "keep shooting" because they hopefully trust the system will bump them back to 90% return with a big hof....most don't get to see that hof tho...

 

[ZPF]

^^ This.

Just my opinion, but I believe the odds algorithm to be based on time, not PEDs cycled. That's why you see global peaks and slumps across the board - eg. mining will go into a slump for a while where the hitrate is very low and you'll see very sparse globals and then it will have peak times where you see people HOFing every minute, and hitrates are good. It's true for all professions, but they are all on different cycles.

With that in mind, a 3 week period is a very short statistical sample, regardless of amount of PED cycled. The amount of PED you cycle simply amplifies the current trend. If the odds are currently bad, cycling more PED doesn't help you, it just makes your losses greater. If the odds are currently good, cycling more PED increases your gains.

If you want to play smart, the best thing to do when things start going bad is stop playing and try again later.

The conclusion here is that player input (PEDs cycled) has even less to do with player success than some on this forum would have you believe. Instead, navigating your away around these "slumps" or cycling straight through them is what will make your break you. Not a very inspiring system

 

[Gewitter]

Sry m8, wrong prophet...this is my profile and no, I don't touch explo bp's at all as it makes no sense clicking them,...therefore what you wrote about me is actually nothing like me as it is not me...

http://www.entropialife.com/Profile.aspx?P=205074

This is my profile... And again - you don't seem to understand that different people get different results - if damsel gets 90% and u and three others, that doesn't mean EVERYONE gets the same returns

No need to argue this at all. Many people know they don't get 90% return...but "keep shooting" because they hopefully trust the system will bump them back to 90% return with a big hof....most don't get to see that hof tho...

oh sorry man...

But after looking your page I found that your last mining trip was on FOMA with at least 5 level amp. This is also gambling

 

[the_prophet]

oh sorry man...

But after looking your page I found that your last mining trip was on FOMA with at least 5 level amp. This is also gambling

Can be also called "Trying to get a big sweetstuff claim in main arena..."..

Can also be called a desperate attempt to "give the loot system an opportunity" to give you that big - "here you go, back to 90% return for you" - HoF....

Call it whatever you want, doing various activities dynamically is - by the words of support - best way to try and "stumble upon" some luck....

As I said m8, dont take your lucky returns for granted and be happy with the way things are and try not to judge and call names (looser/dumb/whatever) everyone you meet, just because they have a different experience than yours - not even by their own fault - as tt return we get back is the one thing - we can not influence

 

[syntax]

The conclusion here is that player input (PEDs cycled) has even less to do with player success than some on this forum would have you believe. Instead, navigating your away around these "slumps" or cycling straight through them is what will make your break you. Not a very inspiring system

I definitely believe this. A big bankroll just allows you to play through the slumps. So you keep cycling and cycling through the bad periods and then when the odds pick up again you start getting your returns up and get your HOF or whatever. This has caused some players to make the assumption that PED cycling is what evens out the odds, but I believe that is a causation by correlation fallacy.

 

[Gewitter]

As I said m8, dont take your lucky returns for granted and be happy with the way things are and try not to judge and call names (looser/dumb/whatever) everyone you meet, just because they have a different experience than yours - not even by their own fault - as tt return we get back is the one thing - we can not influence

I, however, remain unconvinced. Anyone can achieve similar results (not these HoF's!).
This is verified not only by me. Patience+knowledge+hard work = result.

btw Including todays session, overall return is already lower - 97%, and I think can reach 80-90%. This would be enough for me

 

[Gewitter]

Time for update!

18-DEC-2015 - 24-DEC-2015

Turnover = 8733,13 PED

Total 23 runs (6700 attempts, one run was partial, only 100 drops), 20 runs Calypso and Arkadia, and 3 runs in Arkadia Underground

TT return = 85,64%
Recieved MU = 1333,89 PED
Relative MU = 116,97%

Weekly result = -24,78 PED

Possible withdraw amount = 460,58 PED

This week included data about sold Prospecting skill (120 PED pure MU) and Nutrio Bars (28 PED pure MU)

1 Uber this week (posted below)

Overall:

Turnover: 32694,11 PED

TT return: 94,82%

Profit / loss : 3462,61 PED

Overall relative MU: 118,08%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 4

As many whiners about 'lucky avatars' on this forum can see, not each week is profitable in general, but always profitable in withdraw amount!
Total possible withdraw amount is 2049,20 PED (for 4 weeks), this value is less than overall profit, because calculated on 90% long term return.

FYI: TT loss = -1599,90 PED (for 4 weeks)

 

[zeusrocktropian]

You are funny, and your log is funny to read. Not by the reasons you'd think but still funny

 

[Gewitter]

You are funny, and your log is funny to read. Not by the reasons you'd think but still funny

I know exactly who will have the last laugh
I'm sure not those who used Level 13 amps for Alternative mining

 

[zeusrocktropian]

I know exactly who will have the last laugh
I'm sure not those who used Level 13 amps for Alternative mining

2 x level 13's in one year, OMG I'm bankrupt... Wait... I'm not

Anyways, it's good to see that belk, lyst and zinc have such high markups these days.

 

[Gewitter]

But you must admit, that belk, lyst and zinc are still better than the shrapnel on the hunting or residue (gems) in manufacturing

 

[zeusrocktropian]

But you must admit, that belk, lyst and zinc are still better than the shrapnel on the hunting or residue (gems) in manufacturing

At first I thought you're just trolling but now I know you're just mistaking. Also you wanna know how I spend my money and it's not on tracker? People like you make Entropia worse.

 

[Gewitter]

At first I thought you're just trolling but now I know you're just mistaking. Also you wanna know how I spend my money and it's not on tracker? People like you make Entropia worse.

You can write and think whatever you want. It is your right.
I just show that the EU can be almost always profitable for most players, if they do not do silly things.

 

[Gewitter]

Monthly results:

27-NOV-2015 - 26-DEC-2015

Turnover: 35817,83 PED

TT return: 95,03%

TT loss: -1684,34 PED

Profit / loss with MU : 3859,52 PED

Possible withdraw amount (pure MU): 2237,40 PED

Overall relative MU: 118,05%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 4 (~ one per week)

Due to some negative comments about me and my profitable thread, my conclusions about possibilities to recieve profit for most smart players, maybe I'll think to stop posting my mining results (I reserve rights to troll you in other threads, lol). Or I will do it infrequently, lets say, once a month. In general, I'm going into deep mining again and I will think about whether or not to show you my next results.


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

 

[dar hammer dei]

I hope you keep updating this thread. love seeing your results.

 

[syntax]

Due to some negative comments about me and my profitable thread, my conclusions about possibilities to recieve profit for most smart players, maybe I'll think to stop posting my mining results.

I hope you keep updating this thread. love seeing your results.

Seconded, don't listen to the haters. I like this thread.

 

[Gewitter]

25-DEC-2015 - 31-DEC-2015

Turnover = 8575,18 PED

Total 22 runs (6400 attempts)

TT return = 94,59%
Recieved MU = 1278,12 PED
Relative MU = 116,56%

Weekly result = 764,81 PED

Possible withdraw amount = 420,60 PED

This week included data about sold Prospecting skill (54 PED pure MU)

Two SOOTO this week: Mah'ketta gloves and Hansidian rock

Overall:

Turnover: 41269,29 PED

TT return: 94,78%

TT loss: -2052,11 PED

Profit / loss : 4227,42 PED

Overall relative MU: 117,76%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 4

 

[ZPF]

: Mah'ketta gloves

Treasure hunting? Just for fun or do you think it's profitable?

 

[Gewitter]

Treasure hunting? Just for fun or do you think it's profitable?

Treasure hunting is not profitable, but there was a need for vedaсore fibre for my manufacturing job, and auction prices was too high these days. There was only one run with triple bombing. So, I think when Gloves be sold, this run should be counted as run with a zero profit

 

[syntax]

Andy, I wish I could do a mentorship with you.

I am curious, at the start of the thread you mentioned 1.25ped per drop, is that a drop for ore plus cost of your amp decay? Do you normally only drop for ore?

Do you think depth enhancers are a worthwhile investment?

 

[PkmX]

Do you think depth enhancers are a worthwhile investment?

Judging by this, I guess the answer is no.

 

[ZPF]

What I would really love to see is some conclusive data on the effectiveness of range enhancers.

 

[Gewitter]

Andy, I wish I could do a mentorship with you.

Sorry, it is impossible, I do not take disciples.

I am curious, at the start of the thread you mentioned 1.25ped per drop, is that a drop for ore plus cost of your amp decay? Do you normally only drop for ore?

Yes, always for ore. Very rare for enmatter and almost never for treasures. Ore cost = 1 PED/drop, 0,25 PED(amp decay), and decay of the finder (ТМ3 or TM8). Also enhancer consumption. All these expences are counted.

Do you think depth enhancers are a worthwhile investment?

Judging by this, I guess the answer is no.

Not quite right. For me more important is depth rather than enhancers.
Important hint: All ore/enmatter/treasures can be found on the different ranges of depths. Highest possible depth is not always be a best result. You can reach best results only when you know optimal depth for each ore/enmatter/treasure.

What I would really love to see is some conclusive data on the effectiveness of range enhancers.

I tested these enhancers in several sessions. Not a big difference ... but I do not have a significant statistical data. I can say only that they never pay off with current resources MU. Therefore I use (not always!) only depth enhancers.

Second hint: It is very important to use UL finder if you plan to use enhancers. Why? Because enhancer consumption rate on (L) finders vs (UL) finders = 3:1. My consumption rate of enhancers is 2 per 300 drops, on (L) finder it will be 5-7 per 300 drops. Increased consumption of enhancers greatly reduces your profits.

 

[syntax]

Important hint: All ore/enmatter/treasures can be found on the different ranges of depths. Highest possible depth is not always be a best result. You can reach best results only when you know optimal depth for each ore/enmatter/treasure.

Second hint: It is very important to use UL finder if you plan to use enhancers. Why? Because enhancer consumption rate on (L) finders vs (UL) finders = 3:1. My consumption rate of enhancers is 2 per 300 drops, on (L) finder it will be 5-7 per 300 drops. Increased consumption of enhancers greatly reduces your profits.

Both very helpful hints, thank you.

I wasn't aware that enhancer consumption was greater on (L) finders. On the other hand, they tier up for free, whereas the UL finders have an expense involved in tiering. I wonder if it's a wash in the end.

 

[Gewitter]

Detectors with tiers are more flexible tools because they allow you to choose the depth using enchancers, without changing the detector. Therefore, they are worth it's asked prices. But as I said, trying to fill a (L) detector (like L30) with enhancers to find something like redulite - is very risky. It is possible that all recieved MU will be eaten by enhancers.
In my case it would be enough to have T0-T1 TM3GR, I already have TM8 for high depth, no need to have TM3GR T4.

Basic knowledge of the miner:
Knowledge where and which resources can be found
Knowledge of the depth at which they can be found
...and a few other important things which I do not say even under torture