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Lif3bring3r said:

I did some calcs on my hunting returns. 252k ped burnt last month on fresco, 830 ped loss (after markup). Over 1 million ped burnt since the CE2 implementation, and the balance is round ZERO, after markup. And there was plenty of markup, since I hunt mobs that drop good items. Hundreds of L guns with 150-200% mu, small ESIs, big ESIs, even oils, wools and components. I don't tt anything I can stack up and sell at auction, squeezing the max value for my loots. It includes even 3 uber SGA armor parts (2 Eon and 1 Sentinel), without which I would suffer heavy losses.
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I don’t know if this will make u happy but in this year I had 306k turnover, and made a nice -14.036 ped profit. So its no wonder that my activity was lower and lower, in this period was doing mining crafting … and nothing helped as u can see.

Oh, it's not, really? Then why so many big hunters camping a mob watch in sadness and disappointment, how a casual hunter comes, killes a handful and gets an uber loot, while they were working their ass off for weeks, with no results? It looks as if the more mobs one kills, the lesser his chance of getting an uber. Because he's already hooked on, so no need to motivate him further, right? So lets give the uber to a noob, to hook him on, and to make another bunch of noobs dream about the same, so they too start gambling?
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Camping was never paying out… never got anything from camping, made more than 1 Month camping on many mobs… after VU10 decided to move around… but as u can see nothing made MA to give me something over 5k+ even if I made 797k ped turnover this VU….

Oh and btw all my big loots where from fking skilling (except that fresco)… was whit the imp… rest whit melee or blp.
 
Understand your frustration Life, know you´ve been camping those fresco alot. But fact is you have an 40k ped ATH in mining, and you havent mined that much or? I might be wrong in the miningpart. And 15k crafthof + 20k tsktsk, thats really some nice loots.

Uberloots cant be forced as it seems, I did get lucky a week ago on a 13k longu. I dont hunt or mine as much as you do perhaps. But my last 5-digit was roughly 800k ped turnover ago from today.

I have break even last 3 month´s also as you´ve done and Im very happy, you cant really be mad with that results using (L) guns and not having 400k+ skills

I have faced the facts that I will NEVER profit in hunting unless I invest thousands of dollars, so I´ll keep hunting for fun but no exceptations on gaining peds.
 
You camp a mob, you just appear to speed its eventual HOF arrival.

Whether you are the one to pop that HOF - well it does appear to have a luck element.

If there are 50 people camping one mob, 49 will be frustrated and one will be delighted. Just have to carry on or switch to another mob when it happens.

:twocents:
 
fluske said:
apparently ill have to withdraw my remark about being the only 1 at mylevel without an 10k loot :)
shit...8.4 and 2.9tt loot as highest,thats really really bad..ill shut up now :p
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Try 2.5K :)
Anyways, it doesn't really matter and I don't complain about it. I prefer to get twenty loots of 300 PED than to get one uber loot of 5K. :)
 
fluske said:
try finding someone besides me that skilled naturally to 7.6...almost 6 years ingame and not having 1 huntingloot over 9k
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Thats not hard. I did and was even with lb.... Biggest hof was 2.5k ped.
 
das said:
nope, he didn't
I'd also like to know tt returns in % :D
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i think most important is to know which equipment he uses... and if not a sib his exact hit/dmg rate so i can see his true dps and eco...
 
If you use anything with mark up.... like XT... or Vivo125... and uneconomic armour like phantom... i can see why u lost a little ;) and you may feel slighted... but if this the case u shouldnt... suggestion go Eco :)
 
fluske said:
apparently ill have to withdraw my remark about being the only 1 at mylevel without an 10k loot :)
shit...8.4 and 2.9tt loot as highest,thats really really bad..ill shut up now :p
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Dunno if I'm at your level, but I've been playing for ~4.5 years now and my personal ath is still 1.5k from early -06...:laugh: Small wonder my playingtime/week has decreased quite substantially.
 
Skippie said:
hey lifebringer,

tbh, i'm suprised you're breaking even. what is your damage per pec? what are you paying for faps? what armor are you wearing and with what level of evader?

in every area i'm sure there's room for massive improvement. i'm not shocked that at ~2.85 dam per pec adjusted on markup, using L faps adjusted on markup and using L armor adjusted for markup that you aren't profiting. the ppl selling you L guns, L faps and L armors certainly like it.

but i think the most fundamental problem you have as a power hunter is the way you take your loot to auction. i often sort by buyouts highest to lowest, and i often find stacks of your oil 1-2% cheaper than MV at the very bottom of the list.

if you cycled 252k peds and could get just 2% more for your loot, this would be ~5k more to work with. trying for 104-105% on muscle oil instead of listing it for 102-103% can add up over time. waiting and selling the L gun when its 150%, not 130% can add up over time. how you sell your loot in eu, matters alot. most ppl discount that. some even tt the shit.

i think before anything else you should reexamine the way you sell your loot. then you should consider a more eco gun, a 2 pec fap and wearing less armor or chipping evader.

using base gear, shooting at mobs till the cows come home, and consistantly undercutting the market when selling loots might not be a very good model for success in eu.
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listen to every word skippie says.
Ya, ita frusterating life, but I was going to point out these same issues.

I heard once that you use Apis+dante combo.
I cannot even begin to figure out how you managed to break even using Apis MU.
 
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Tamn said:
listen to every word skippie says.
Ya, ita frusterating life, but I was going to point out these same issues.

I heard once that you use Apis+dante combo.
I cannot even begin to figure out how you managed to break even using Apis MU.
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What markup? like 50 peds per 1,5k of gun/ammo/amp cycled?
 
Oh, hey, wow, life...sorry for all your losses dude. Nevermind prolly get it all back sooner or later yeah. Hard knocks and all that. Keep plugging away!
 
Tamn said:
I heard once that you use Apis+dante combo.
I cannot even begin to figure out how you managed to break even using Apis MU.
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Not true, saw him using a blp pistol. dunno if it was L or not. armor was phantom
 
~Sky~ said:
Not true, saw him using a blp pistol. dunno if it was L or not. armor was phantom
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well I suppose until he comments were left in the dark, but I'm fairly sure he could be sitting better pedwise with some more thought.

Anyways, said my part, I'll let you guys talk it out.
 
fluske said:
yep,i know the feeling,i skilled naturally to level 7.6...and ive never hit an loot over 9k,hence why i chipped out
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u looted unl cb24 if it is only worth 9k to you ill buy
 
I camp chomper and fresco exclusively, i did that for the last 2 year as you did the last year.

And i kind of hate you for your loot, really, u broke even this year...

I didnt come to the same result as you, my loses are over 90k in over 2millions ped burned. So when i see Doug wana get a R150 unl then a LR48 or other ppl even you(who break even) im a little more than pissed, even this whine tread seem anormal to me since ur loot is 900% better than mine on a daily basis.

I dont show up much on tracker, simply because i get no global at all, but still, im on the field shooting chomper and fresco.

As skippie pointed it out as maybe a problem from you, im not really having it here as im doing best as some others in term of economy for sure for the mob im hunting ofc, cant be perfect ya know...

i sell usually over markup, take a few days but it goes

i also bought a plentyful supply of cb24 when they were 112%, I now use hl11@130%(still under %) or apis(when they went down to 123% i bought a bunch a few week ago) but the regen on the mob do worth the markup spent so its not a bad choice.

I hunt with a L armor that cost me under 107% with a adj.fapper on me when its for hunting chomper or 1 or 2 t1 fapper if its for fresco.

Or goblin(on fresco) for eco and use ur125 on fresco(with a noob or 2 using tt fap on me, all the time).

Armor decay per hunt?
chomper | 4ped
Fresco | 8ped

fap decay?
chomper | 3ped from a adj.fap special cost
Fresco | 4 ped on t1 and about 3ped on my fap.

yeah fresco is more decay-expensive than chomper, but atleast fresco do global, sometime, chomper almost never...

I loses about 1k ped a day and cycle over 20k a day. 1K A DAY in loses is alot for just hunting.

So if you think ur situation was crappy, please take my seat ill take yours

You whine but ur sitting on skills that worth alot.

I had to sell for 30k of mine this year and i counted it as a income on the -90k figure im talking about.

Something you forgot is you are profiting, you made skills, sell it and start again, or quit!

ur a freaking whiner that cry even on making money. markup-wise its almost impossible to profit, and you almost doing it. So your profit is in your skills... selll it, chip out and stop whining, alot others ppl will be happy with that since u will stop get all the loot(yes u are doing it despite what u think)

Its a bit late for a april fool, and thinking this was made for real really disgust me.

Again,

I dont show up much on tracker, simply because i get no global at all, but still, im on the field shooting chomper and fresco all day long.

Now open your eyes, and either quit or dont whine ever again. k thx
 
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dotc0m said:
I camp chomper and fresco exclusively, i did that for the last 2 year as you did the last year.

And i kind of hate you for your loot, really, u broke even this year...

I didnt come to the same result as you, my loses are over 90k in over 2millions ped burned. So when i see Doug wana get a R150 unl then a LR48 or other ppl even you(who break even) im a little more than pissed, even this whine tread seem anormal to me since ur loot is 900% better than mine on a daily basis.

I dont show up much on tracker, simply because i get no global at all, but still, im on the field shooting chomper and fresco.

I loses about 1k ped a day and cycle over 20k a day. 1K A DAY in loses is alot for just hunting.

So if you think ur situation was crappy, please take my seat ill take yours
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20k a day? really? wanna try again?
 
I read the topic and it struck me..
You gambled big time on that single ath you where sure you would get if you hunted heavily and long enough.

Just like that guy in the casino behind the big jackpot machine who put 100K $ in the machine just to see that lovely old lady to hit the jackpot with her first dime.
You probably had a far greater chance to get that jackpot but theres no guarantee whatsoever.

The fact that you managed to break even is already a huge reward in the eyes of 90+ % of the players of this game.

I play this game since 2002 as a regular depositer and have developed decent skills and gathered nice gear over the years and yes, I did my share of die hard camping and it never ever brought me an uberloot. Biggest I got was 5K oils on a maffoid I shot because it was in my way. :laugh:

Again, you gambled, but did not realy loose cuz you broke even. You didnt win either
though luck but not so bad in my book.
Adapt your playstyle to funplay, try again on camping, or quit.
 
All my loot can be given to the noob ppl MA/FPC! :D
After all it's what they do for some time now.

Peds cycled, quantity of mobs killed or skill gains means nothing! It is called "dynamic" loot.


To the OP:
For 3 months now that I don´t depo, 152 hp, almost 71 agil, lvl 48,5 top hunter prof, lvl 28 prosp top mining prof (only in 2 years of play all natural skills).
To sustain those last 3 months i had to sell all the craft skills, one black shirt, jungle boots, gremlin parts... and have using loan system often. Just to keep mining a bit unamped and hunt sporadically at low lvl and to participate on WoF 2010.

And you complain to skill for free!? :confused:
 
zenct said:
20k a day? really? wanna try again?
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yeah i forgot to say i rounded it up from 18k to 20k...

And i stop faster when i lose my 1k after 10 run so make it from 10k-18k if you prefer, but still, that make alot of ped cycled and also alot of loses...

Depend of the day, and yes thats 12hours+ a day.
 
mike jones said:
u looted unl cb24 if it is only worth 9k to you ill buy
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You'll have to ignore fluske, he is another member of the incredibly lucky and don't realize it so he complains anyway club. He was inducted as a member along with BlackHawk and Stormer.
 
VmaX said:
I read the topic and it struck me..
You gambled big time on that single ath you where sure you would get if you hunted heavily and long enough.

Just like that guy in the casino behind the big jackpot machine who put 100K $ in the machine just to see that lovely old lady to hit the jackpot with her first dime.
You probably had a far greater chance to get that jackpot but theres no guarantee whatsoever.

The fact that you managed to break even is already a huge reward in the eyes of 90+ % of the players of this game.

I play this game since 2002 as a regular depositer and have developed decent skills and gathered nice gear over the years and yes, I did my share of die hard camping and it never ever brought me an uberloot. Biggest I got was 5K oils on a maffoid I shot because it was in my way. :laugh:

Again, you gambled, but did not realy loose cuz you broke even. You didnt win either
though luck but not so bad in my book.
Adapt your playstyle to funplay, try again on camping, or quit.
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Word and + rep..
 
Kind of sucks when the guys around you are getting 777s when you're lucky to see a few cherries in the window.

But Entropia isn't gambling.
 
thoreau said:
Kind of sucks when the guys around you are getting 777s when you're lucky to see a few cherries in the window.

But Entropia isn't gambling.
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Hard to tell without proper assessment & regular annual audits on coded systems;

However the way the model is setup with inconsistency of return rate, ie. Buffering/accounting of funds to be returned does make it feel like it.

I think the OPs arguement is moreso based around "wanting" a proper assessment system implemented that rewards players on a per capita revenue generation for mindark/partner whilst also factoring in other aspects such as internal economic contribution (paying out markups and asset holder taxes - eg. LAs/Malls) in a more fair and balanced way.

I know for a fact the system does not keep to its 2 usd an hour charge as a solid rate. This is calculated based on what your putting through the system.

I am quite amazed the OP has been able to break even.

He is working at a higher turnover than I ever have and I am sitting at an average of 9 USD an hour which is a financial hole of roughly 13,900 USD on turnover TT decay/consumption without markups paid out involved on tracked financials since mid 2007 when working at double the supposed 2usd an hour (4usd). ie. Merely on TT returns.

Having discussed this with MA already, they welcomed the feedback but found no problems with my account.

It is just the way the system is, 2 USD is based on "an average" deposit rate and decay per month which is very small in comparison to what some put through the system.

Tricky marketing which has since recently been removed from wikipedia.
Also removed from - http://www.entropiaplatform.com/platform/entropia-platform/business-model/

Hence the nicknames Expensive Universe vs their competitor Affordable-World.

PS. Don't feel too bad off Lifebringer, you broke even, best and only good loots thus far here have been a single full TT ESI, 150 pedder ESI and a pair of UnL Thunderbird shoes.
 
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